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Faithful On The Wall - with Rudy Atallah
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Some of the most important work in America is happening in ordinary churches, with leaders who decide they’re done sitting on the sidelines. We’re recording from opposite ends of the country, one of us in Washington, DC walking pastors through the spiritual heritage of the US Capitol, and another in Washington State encouraging pastors who feel beat down by a culture that keeps getting darker. The thread tying it together is stewardship: we don’t just get to complain about the moment we’re in, we get to be part of the solution.
We also dig into a tough but necessary topic: religious persecution. We talk through real-world numbers on Christian persecution and why it’s so easy for media narratives and even AI tools to blur categories by mixing “harassment” with lethal violence and forced displacement. If we want clarity on religious freedom, we have to be honest about definitions, sources, and what’s actually happening on the ground.
Then we’re joined by Rudy Atallah from The Blessing Projects (BlessingProjects.org), a faith-based nonprofit doing high-impact humanitarian aid for persecuted Christians in places like Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and parts of Africa. Rudy explains why “rescue” is only part of the story and how stability is often the real protection: bakeries to keep food local, clean water when wells are poisoned, chicken farms that create sustainable protein, and even simple solar lights that stop predators and protect livelihoods. We talk about what effective giving looks like when overhead stays low and results stay measurable.
If you care about courageous leadership, Christian persecution, religious liberty, or practical ways to help, this conversation will challenge and equip you. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.
Across America With Pastors
SPEAKER_01It's the Intersection of Faith and Culture, the Wall Builder Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Thanks for joining us today on Wall Builders. As uh as Tim had mentioned yesterday, we're all over the country right now, literally on opposite ends of the country. I'm in DC. Uh Tim's out in Washington State. And uh Tim is kind of cool, actually. Uh we're we're doing two different things that are in the same vein. In other words, you're out there with the grassroots, with Pastor McPherson and other pastors and churches and getting them engaged, getting them to vote. I had a bunch of pastors with me last night at the uh Capitol doing the tour that Wallbuilders has been putting on for gosh, I don't know, David, when was the first time you did one of those spiritual heritage tours? I know the video was like 98 or something, so it's been at least 20 years. I'm guessing closer to 30. Uh anyway, these pastors got to see firsthand the spiritual heritage of our nation right there in the paintings, the statues, the stone. Absolutely incredible. They they're going home inspired. I mean, they're they're getting to see the White House today and all kinds of other cool stuff, but uh it's just kind of cool to get these churches engaged, uh, obviously doing what they should have been doing all along. You mentioned it yesterday, Tim. It's a stewardship issue and it's a you know, it's a get-to thing. We get to be a part of the solution. But I just think it's cool that we're on the opposite end of the country, you know, doing pretty much the same thing, working on the same thing. And anybody that wants to help us do more of that, this is a great time to contribute to Wall Builders. So go to wallbuilders.com. Part of how we get people to show up and vote and vote intelligently is the radio program or the voter guides or any of those things that we're doing that just help educate Americans on what it took to get us make us a great nation in the first place and how to make it great again. If you want to come alongside us and be a part of that, great time to go to wallbuilders.com and and and donate. And David, I didn't mean to leave you out. I know you're all over the country too. You've been doing like three or four or five events a day with Chad Conley when you go do your Faith Wins events. I don't even know what part of the country you've been in, but I just think it's cool that so many people are responding to these clarion calls to get involved.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Rick, uh, real quick, you mentioned the Spiritual Heritage Tour of the Capitol uh from 98. Uh, just a real quick math. I know like we are kind of homeschool families, it's tough. Uh that's nearly 30 years since that uh V. Oh, you're right.
SPEAKER_01That's already 30 years, let alone if it was 10 years. Oh my goodness, you're right. Yep, yep. You you talked about homeschooling yesterday, and fan schooling must have been better bath than homeschooling for me.
SPEAKER_00Let me jump in here and ask, answer a question you
How The Capitol Tour Began
SPEAKER_00asked. So, Rick, it was in the revolution of 94 when Newt Gingrich became Speaker. When Newt Gingrich became speaker and Republicans took the House for the first time in 40 years, you had a Republican Congress, and I got to be friends with Pro Football Hall of Famer Steve Largen, who became a congressman from Oklahoma. And I happened to be up at the Capitol, and I was up there with Steve, and Steve was taking me through the Speaker's office and showing me stuff, and he was pointing out what Gingrich had done and said, and I said, Well, have you seen this over here, this statue? And have you seen and I took Steve around and he said, Man, you you need to do something. And so that's where we got started. Steve Larger kind of opened the first door, and that would have been in '94, maybe '95 is when that started. So it goes back to at least then. And then as you point out, the video was what, three years later, or now DVD and now streaming or whatever. So it's gone through some years for sure.
SPEAKER_01Well, and there's been so many, you know, we we often talk, everybody talks about I wish we had more good patriots and more people running for office. There's been so many good members of Congress that have worked with us over the years to do these tours, even back then when you filmed, I think it was uh Helen Chenowith from uh I can't remember if she was Idaho or Washington, but um, so many members that helped what was it Idaho? Yeah. And even now Idaho and went to Nevada, yep. Oh, really? Well, and even now, you know, there's dozens and you know, dozens of of legislators, uh, House and Senate, uh, that love that tour. And and what's really cool, we mentioned this a few weeks ago on the program, but now you got Speaker Johnson going out and doing pieces of that tour and putting it on video and it's going viral. So even more people are are learning those stories. Okay, I I know we got a lot of topics to get to, but David, I gotta ask you, because I don't even know if I've ever asked you this. So uh so you started doing that with with Largent. What made you like when did you start really studying all those different I guess how did you learn about all those statues and you know the background and all those paintings? Did you already have some of that in your collection? Or did that thing with Largent make you curious and you started really kind of going around the Capitol and studying those things?
SPEAKER_00No, I I I'd become curious back in '89 and '90, uh, where I started finding that what I'd been told about the Founding Fathers in school was not at all accurate. And so I got intrigued with Founding Fathers. And after I saw a few, how bad the history had been when I saw the actual documents, I started looking for more and more and more and more. And the more I looked for founding fathers, the more I found, uh, the less it let it matched up with all my years of education. So by the time we got to 94 and 95, I had been doing uh history, studying founding fathers and studying that era for about five years when it got with Steve Largent.
SPEAKER_01Well, you just you just probably did a croc search, right? I mean, you just probably just typed it in, just one quick question. Is there any spiritual heritage at the U.S. Capitol? And then it came back with Okay, I'm kidding. All right, I don't know how it is so easy for us today to do research. People don't realize you were diving into old books, no, some of which nobody had ever even opened. I mean, you did the heavy lifting so that we can now enjoy these tours and get to do what we're doing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for those listening, I mean, this was way before Al Gore had invented the internet. So this was it was a different world back then. Uh, tongue in cheek, Al Gore did not do any of that. Uh, he was also wrong on climate change. That would be a digression to
Faithful Not Successful In Dark Times
SPEAKER_02talk about that. But uh, you know, Rick, as one of the cool things, it's one of our favorite things, being able to do those evening spiritual heritage tours of the U.S. Capitol. So cool that you're up doing that for uh the National Faith Advisory Board for a group of pastors up there. Uh, contrast that with today I'm in Washington State, and I'm talking to a group of pastors that it it is a very different kind of scenario that they are in a very dark, uh, deep blue state where you know, yesterday Kelly Shackel for talking about things happening in Washington State where literally God-fearing parents that that care about raising godly families, they're having to seriously consider can I stay in Washington State because the state might come and take my children away from me, etc. And so talking to this group of pastors, trying to uh encourage them to maintain their spot on the wall in the midst of these challenges, it it's it's interesting that in the nature of a lot of what we do, there are times that it's fun to be the really good encourager, uh, you know, find the backbone, the courage, but then there's times when you're trying to encourage in a very different sense and capacity with people that have been engaged in a battle and they feel entirely beat down. Uh, and and reminding ultimately what what Jesus tells in the parable of the talent at the very end, when he says, Well done, good and faithful servant, it it's worth noting he never said well done, good and successful servant. He he didn't say, Well done, good and prosperous servant. He said faithful servant, the one that kept showing up. And ultimately, faithfulness can lead to success, it can lead to prosperity, but it doesn't always happen in the time of the servant that's faithful. And this is where the John Quincy Adams to the Abraham Lincoln story comes in so significant. Uh, so it's it's something that in in the midst of what we are doing, uh, we, and this is for everybody listening, we get to work and encourage a lot of pastors from all over the place. At wall builders, uh what kind of our purpose statement that we are operating in is we want to strengthen courageous leaders to preserve freedom in America. And there's a lot of courageous leaders all over this nation. Uh, some of them are blessed to live in red states with more freedom, and some of them uh are in a different kind of struggle living in some of these very dark places with major uphill battles. But it is super fun, Rick, knowing you had to the tour last night and I'm with these pastors today. Dad, you fly out tomorrow uh with Chad Connolly hitting the road. No, I guess, oh man, yeah. Whenever it is you're flying out, I know that's coming up soon, with Chad Connolly going on the road. Um, it it is really fun that God's allowed us to be able to encourage and challenge these pastors. And by the way, that applies to all Christians engaged in the process too. If if you live in one of the freer states, uh then man, enjoy and make the most of that freedom. And if you live in one of the more challenging states, uh, then it just gives the opportunity for your light to shine even brighter in the midst of that darkness and continue to be faithful. That is the important part. Not that we're always successful, but we always remain faithful.
SPEAKER_01Amen. Amen. So good. Well, Rudy Atala is going to be with us when we come back from the break. Of course, David, you and Tim get to work with Rudy a lot uh on a lot of the rescue stuff around the around the world. Uh, but he does a lot of other things as well, including uh really uh it's literally called the Blessings, Blessings Projects, and so it's a way for people to be a blessing to persecuted Christians around the world. Uh tell us a little bit about how that
Who Is Persecuted And The Real Numbers
SPEAKER_01got started.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, knowing that Rudy was going to be on today, I I went back and did some research because we've had Rudy on a number of times. There's nobody in the world I know that knows better the situation because uh even with his knowledge, he was a key guy in the White House helping them with strategic stuff on what's going on across nations, particularly in Africa. He had a 59-nation portfolio. He probably knows more about the security situation in most nations than anybody else in the world. So I was just looking in general because we've worked with Rudy for a number of years on saving persecuted Christians and other religious minorities. Um and so just looking at the numbers, I pulled them in real quick. And just this year so far, uh with Christians, the persecution of Christians, there are 15 countries in the world now where there's extreme persecution of Christians. So far this year, about 5,000 Christians have been killed because they're Christians. Uh, about 70,000 have been physically abused because they were Christians, and about 225,000 have been forced from their homes and countries as refugees simply because they're Christians. So I thought, well, you know, it's a it's a fairly high number. I wonder what it is with uh with other people. And so I just did a quick AI search. I asked AI, and my AI has been really pretty good. I don't catch it wrong many times. It's been okay. And so when I said who else is being persecuted, they said Muslims. Uh Christians persecuted in 15 countries, Muslims are persecuted in 143 countries, and all 20 countries uh uh of Middle East and North Africa are persecuting Muslims. Uh 84% of the governments in uh Europe are persecuting Muslims. Uh there's a 70% increase in attacks on Muslims in the U.S. alone, 44% increase in the United Kingdom. And so here's what AI said it says the key takeaway, unlike Christians who are persecuted primarily in the global south, Muslims face harassment in virtually every region of the world from both state and non-state actors. So I got that and I said, that's not true. And so I challenged AI. I said, no, no, no. You're talking about harassments and complaints. Take away the harassments and complaints and tell me how many Muslims have been killed for their faith because they are Muslims. And here's the response. This is from AI. It says, Fair point. Stripping out the complaints, the discrimination surveys, and the hate speech, the numbers for Muslims killed, imprisoned, or criminalized specifically for their faith look quite different. The largest amount of Muslims killed in any one nation last year was 50 Muslims, and that was in India. Now we're talking thousands of Christians, we're talking 50 in India. Now, there were 3,100 Muslims uh that were killed uh specifically in Nigeria, but they were killed by other Muslims. There were 2,300 Christians killed in Nigeria, 3,100 Muslims killed in Nigeria, and they were all killed by Muslims. So Christians remain the most persecuted group in the world for their faith. The Muslims are making sure they're complaining about everything negative that happens to them, and so the media loves that. They're cranking up the numbers, and you would assume they're the most persecuted group in the world, particularly in America, which is why AI said a 70% increase in persecution of Muslims. No, that's that's self-reported. Somebody said something mean to me kind of stuff. We get that all the time. So when you hear that kind of numbers, just be aware of what's out there. But as we're talking to Rudy, the global condition is Christians are still the most persecuted group in the world. And Rudy is working with that group all across the world. And the Blessing Project is to help them get set up in permanent situations where they can survive after they've been chased out of nations or communities or whatever. It's getting a permanent situation where they will have stability is a really good program that Rudy has. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back.
SPEAKER_01Rudy Gatala, our special guest from the Blessings Projects.
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SPEAKER_01Welcome back to the wall builder show.
Blessings Projects Build Community Stability
SPEAKER_01Thanks for staying with us. Great to have Rudy Atala back with us. We got a great topic for you today, the Blessing Projects. And by the way, go to the website, the BlessingProjects.org. Rudy, thanks for coming on, man. So so excited and grateful for what you and Terry are doing there. And we look forward to looking at letting our wall builders audience know about it.
SPEAKER_03Thank you so, so much. Yes. It's uh yeah, it's uh it's been it's been a blessing, not uh not to be redundant here. Um, yeah, we call it the blessing projects with an s uh.org. Um, and you got it perfectly correct. Um yeah, we started in 2016, and uh, and uh we've been we've been working hard so far in hard-hit countries just to help uh as many persecuted Christians as possible.
SPEAKER_01Well, and I always think of you when I when I think about Rudy, I'm I think of rescue missions and and persecuted Christians and kidnap kids and all that kind of stuff. In this case, you're not only doing that kind of stuff, you're also building in the community, like you're you're helping to restore some sanity for in the lives of these people.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so uh you're 100% correct. So the the entire thought was uh we're doing all these rescues and we're bringing all these people back. But the but the problem is is when you're sitting in a war zone where people don't have the means, they don't have access to the food or water or education or whatever, they end up moving. And unfortunately, whenever you have these movements from war zones, that's when people become vulnerable to attacks. Children get kidnapped, um, they they end up in refugee centers, women get raped, uh families get killed. And oftentimes, uh you know, nobody addresses it, and the UN doesn't care uh one bit about these people, they're just uh another number out there. So, what we do is we come into these communities and we sit down with the leadership and we just go, okay, what does the community need to stay cohesive to stay together? Because if we can keep you guys together and keep you from running, you're less vulnerable to attacks and families are more secure. And you're most people, you know, if I if I drive a family or a person out of their home and I stick them in another country with another language that they don't know, it's very uncomfortable. But if I can keep them in their own home, the comfort of their own environment, they're used to it, they can function better. And so that's what the blessing projects does very specifically is we come in, we look at the community, we see what they need, and then we build. So, for example, we've built uh in southern Lebanon right now, where Christians are being attacked and persecuted all the time all the time. In one community, we built a bakery. Uh, they needed a bakery uh because they didn't have enough bread. Um in another community they were poisoning Hezbollah was poisoning the water wells of the community to push the Christians out so they didn't take over their homes. We were there helping clean that up and fix uh other communities where uh one community where there were a lot of elderly people they needed protein, and we were trying to figure out a good way to get protein. So we did is we uh we built the chicken farm. Um and uh and then so what we were producing enough eggs to where we were feeding the elderly and the young people, and then we were taking 25% of what was left over, the eggs, selling them on the open market essentially to make enough money to feed the chickens to keep them going. So we we created this big this big cycle, and it worked out really well. So every community has something specific that they need, and we just take care of that, and it's been very, very successful.
SPEAKER_01And you're and you're doing this in Africa, Asia, countries all over the place. You're finding the need, and and I'm guessing you have to deal with, I mean, you're going into places where this is not a Christian dominated area, and so um you're showing, you know, the love of Christ and you're and you're meeting the need that I was talking to a guy that just the other day uh and uh he does this as something somewhat similar, not not not uh not quite as similar, but in Albania, and he was just talking about you know, when you go in and meet the needs of that community, then you get the opportunity to show the the love of Christ. And you have to do it very carefully, and you you're you've done that your whole life in the in the arenas that you so you guys know how to do this well, and you're not just throwing money at a a problem or you know, just going in where you don't know anyway. I what I want to stress to the audience is y'all are very experienced at this.
SPEAKER_03Yes, a hundred percent. So, so just to illustrate an example, we were in in Africa in on the southern border of Kenya in in Tanzania, this is where we got started in 2016. And um while we were in the in this small village, um a Maasai and the the Maasai chief came to me and he said he said um uh sat under the tree and he said, Oh, we got a lot of needs here. And I said, Well, if if you had anything you wanted in the world and you had one shot, what would it be? He said, Well, I would love a school that would double as a church for my my kids and my community. I said, Oh, we can do that. So I pulled my savings together, whatever. We built a church and we built a school. He had 12 kids, and then over time, what we did is we built a kitchen um and we started expanding and we we built a small medical clinic. Now, all in all, for all of this, we started with 12 kids, we ended up with 263 children from all the neighboring villages. We built the entire project for $150,000, which is nothing. And I ran into this was several years back, so I ran into somebody in Washington, DC, and she was in charge of at the time the USAID Africa department. And I was telling her about the project, and she said, I said, she said, How many millions of dollars did it cost you to do this? I said, It cost $150,000. She was shocked. She's like, How in the world did you build that for $150,000? I said, Because we don't waste any money, we don't have middlemen, we don't have government, we just went in there, we took the needs of the people and we fixed it. Now, while we were building this, the Maasai are um a culture where they have cattle, and cattle's really important. They came to me one day and they had a problem with a leopard that would come in at night and it would kill their some of their cattle, and so they were losing part of their livelihood. And so, again, the way we we approach solutions, we find holistic, simple ways to do it, and they said we need to find this cat and kill it, and this and that. And I said, Let me solve the problem for you. I took $200 out of my pocket, I brought, I bought, uh, I bought solar panels and I bought LED lights and I strung them around the village, and and then uh the lights uh you know when the lights were turned on at night, the leopard lost its cover of darkness, and it stopped coming to the village and going after the cattle. So for 200 bucks I solved their problem and we kept conversing.
SPEAKER_01Wait a minute, you you I just knew that the story was gonna be different. I thought for sure you were gonna tell me you were Val Kilmer in the Ghost in the Darkness, and you went and and sat in a tree and shot the leopard as it came towards the camp. I I I was predicting the story and I was totally wrong.
SPEAKER_03No, yeah, LED lights in the solar panel fix the whole problem. So wow, so it's it's just it's just really finding problems and and coming up with very simple solutions. So every dollar stretches to the max. So it's myself, my wife, my son, my mother, my uncle, my sister, all of us contribute into our nonprofit foundation just because we believe in what we do, so we can keep pushing this forward.
SPEAKER_01So it's a huge impact too, bro. You you you know, uh, just so people get an idea of the scope of this, just in twenty twenty five. This is not since you started sixteen, just in twenty twenty five, over a hundred thousand individuals that that were impacted by this and and that you supported. Now, I do I do uh have to question you on this uh This big event you had last month. Um, you you had some cool folks there, Sebastian Gorka, uh Laura Logan, Bridget Gabrielle. But this David and Tim Barton, these guys, you actually had them out. You you let them come to your dinner.
SPEAKER_03Those shady guys came in.
SPEAKER_01No, that was that's awesome, man. That was up in Wyoming, too, right? Where y'all, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you need to come up. You you need to come up. We would love to have you. It's so much fun. It's so so much fun. We we would be honored if you came and and just have some fun.
SPEAKER_01Well, you y'all have such you you do so many different things, and you know, people are often asking, how can I make a difference? What can I do? You know, God hasn't given me a platform or this or whatever. And man, every dollar they donate to something like this is multiplied in in terms of the impact because you like I said, you have the experience of knowing where to go and to make those dollars last. And like you said, even with that one project, uh, the blessingprojects.org is where people can do that and donate. The event's already over, so you can't donate to the event itself from last month. But man, you can go on and donate right now, folks, and uh always new projects coming up. No shortage of projects, right?
SPEAKER_03No, no shortage of projects. Well, Lebanon, Syria right now, we're helping those Christian communities, even Iraq with all the problems in the Middle East and then across the continent as well. Uh there's so much to do. People are hurting, and we're trying to keep them in their place. They don't need to be displaced. So we can keep them in their place. I think we can have a big win. You don't have sexual sexual trafficking and exploitation of kids and women and all that stuff. And we can we really do it's it's just what God wants us to do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Amen. Amen. Well, thanks for coming on, bro. The blessingsprojects.org, folks. That's where you can go and be a part of it. Rudy Atala, look forward to getting you back soon.
SPEAKER_03Thank you, brother. God bless.
Why This Charity Gets Results
SPEAKER_01All right, guys, that was Rudy Yatala from the Blessings Projects. We're back with David and Tim. Uh, of course, just like you were saying, David, I mean, he knows what's going on and he's they've been doing this for years. Just clearly God's using them uh to make a huge difference. It's an easy way for people to participate and be a part of it by going to that website and contributing, praying for them, being a part of it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, contributing to them really is uh good ground. We've vetted them over and over and over again. I have no compunction giving to Rudy. I know it is used with integrity and it goes exactly where it's supposed to go. Uh, so that is a great organization to give to, and you get great results out of there, and you can be assured that your money is going into lasting lives change. It's not going for all the overhead that happens with so many other groups. This is going downrange and has a real effect.
SPEAKER_02Well, and as he pointed out too, it doesn't take all that much to make a lasting difference in impact. And and this is where it's a different mentality that so many people have where they go, man, we need the government to come in and solve these problems. Rudy is so good at not saying we need more government or even trying to get the government to come in and solve the problems, but recognizing no, if if we can if we can restore these people and help keep their community together and help equip them for minimal expenses, they can actually do something that stabilizes and ultimately, I mean Rudy has been very open about this. Uh strategically, sometimes he has to, depending on who he's talking to, maybe frame it uh the right way. But it the the groups that he tries to restore the most are the Christian groups because they tend to be the best foundation that everything else can exist around them. Uh, and so by helping strengthen the Christians in those areas and communities, and then the other individuals that want to live peacefully in that village with some of that Christian moral foundation, what they are doing at the blessingprojects.org is incredible. And that's the blessing singular projects plural, the blessingprojects.org. Uh, we we support them, we give to them because we see firsthand the difference they are making. And of course, you can go to the website, you can find out more, you can sign up for their their email list and and get more details about that. But as we look at things happening around the world, this is one of the really good organizations helping bring stability where there has been crisis.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it seems like in the past, every time we've had Rudy on to talk about some of these things that were happening, it was usually rescue missions, right? Getting them out of literally getting getting them off of the X, as we might say. Um, but in this case, you're talking about building an infrastructure and you know making it uh sustainable in the uh in the areas that they've been moved to once they were rescued or in an area that's actually been uh protected. So really, really interesting, uh, some new things for us to cover in terms of helping our fellow Christians around the world. All right, folks, thanks for listening. By the way, go to the websites today wallbuilders.show for the radio program, wallbuilders.com for everything else, and of course, wallbuilders.com is the place that you can contribute and help us reach even more people, especially during these critical times. And in these next few weeks, it's going to be super critical. So check out wallbuilders.com for that contribution today. Thanks so much for listening. You've been listening to the Wall Builder Show.
