The WallBuilders Show
The WallBuilders Show is a daily journey to examine today's issues from a Biblical, Historical and Constitutional perspective. Featured guests include elected officials, experts, activists, authors, and commentators.
The WallBuilders Show
Charlie Kirk Shows Why A Free Society Needs God
Use Left/Right to seek, Home/End to jump to start or end. Hold shift to jump forward or backward.
A year after losing Charlie Kirk, we stop and remember what made him more than a headline or a political organizer: a man who increasingly aimed at the heart. We play a powerful montage of Charlie speaking plainly about courage, sin, salvation, and why he believed a free society can’t last without faith in God. It’s an honest look at the spiritual shift he was making, and why his message keeps discipling people long after his passing.
From there, we pivot into real-time Republican National Convention analysis and the mechanics of political messaging. We talk about how the night’s theme wasn’t scattered talking points, but a disciplined drumbeat: “radical” and “extreme,” backed by specific quotes, receipts, and candidates’ own words. We share standout convention clips, including Tim Scott’s rapid-fire contrast on security, voter ID, and taxes, plus Brandon Gill’s sharp argument for American heritage and why apologizing for it doesn’t win the culture.
We also unpack the politics of personality versus policy, including Trump’s humor-heavy moments and a memorable Ken Paxton endorsement that lands on one point: outcomes matter. We close with a clear Christian civic takeaway: voting is stewardship, and we have a duty to show up, think strategically, and measure leaders by what their policies will do to freedom, faith, and the next generation. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find conversations that take faith and culture seriously.
Opening At The Intersection Of Faith
SPEAKER_02You found your way to the intersection of faith and culture. It's the wall builder show. Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton, and it is a bittersweet day
Remembering Charlie Kirk One Year Later
SPEAKER_02for sure. This is the one-year anniversary of the loss of our friend Charlie Kirk, the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk, an absolutely horrific day a year ago. A friend to all three of us on the program, a great influence on the wall builder's audience, on the Patriot Academy students, on all the people that we work with, but that influence has not stopped. It continues. And David Tim, of course, like you know, we have a lot going on. David's at the you know at the convention. There's a lot we still do, just like Turning Point has gone on and still doing a lot of great work. But we do stop for a moment today and remember Charlie Kirk as our friend and a great impact on this country.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and one of the things too, I uh we we want to play a clip in just a minute, uh that that uh really embodies a lot of who Charlie was. Uh, you know, obviously when he started at 18 and and goes into his early 30s, uh of a really ministry uh is what he was doing, uh shepherding, discipling kids on college campuses. Um the last several years, and and we've talked about this, lots of people saw it. It was so evident where Charlie recognized that the deeper problems in our nation weren't something that could be solved with just political uh legislation or political movement. You actually uh have to go back to the kind of the spirit, the soul. Uh people need God, they need Jesus, we need a Bible in America. And Charlie really had that shift in a lot of what he did. Uh and so this this is a little montage clip of some interviews that Charlie was in the last year of his life where he was just pointing to some of what he had intentionally shifted towards and what he wants wanted
Why Charlie Shifted Toward The Gospel
SPEAKER_03people to know. So uh we'll play that and then we'll we'll talk a little bit more and then certainly get into a lot of what's happening with the convention, but we want to honor our friend for a minute and uh remind everybody uh a little bit about who Charlie was.
Charlie Kirk On Courage And Jesus
SPEAKER_03If you could be associated with one thing, how would you want to be remembered?
SPEAKER_04I want to be I want to be remembered for for courage for my faith. That that would be the most important thing. The most important thing is my faith. I believe that we are the inheritors of a Christian society, and I do not believe we can have a free society if we are no longer back towards some belief in a higher power. And so I want to bring us back to a free society, but that's not just political is just one manifestation of that. I'm trying to get to the cause. And the cause, I believe, is what happens in our university campuses, what happens in the broad culture, what happens in how people consume information, and I see us making a massive difference in that every day. The better way to teach the gospel is here's the Ten Commandments. How many of these are you violating? That is the proper way to evangelize. And so I realized the stakes in fifth grade. I was like, oh my goodness, I'm a sinner, I'm selfish, I'm broken, and only thanks to Jesus' perfect sacrifice, coming and living a perfect life, that I get something I do not earn, but has been given to me, this free gift of eternal life. You would say that Jesus is here to save us. Save us from what?
SPEAKER_05Ourselves. We're dead people walking.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so you have to tell people about the death first, right?
SPEAKER_00You're very good at your job. You're very good at your job, sir.
SPEAKER_04This is a rescue mission. Yeah. But you must you must teach people what you're rescuing them from.
SPEAKER_00I got it.
SPEAKER_04I guess, oh God, such a The gospel becomes sweeter, and your relationship with Christ is real and truer when you understand the stakes of the damnation that you were saved from. So, what what is the right message then? What sign should they have? Is it Jesus loves you or is that God condemns you? It should be that you need Jesus. That's the sign. The sign should say is you need Jesus. You cannot live a fulfilling, beautiful, deep, Christ-centered life, one that is truly joyful, and violate his teachings or his commands. You ultimately do the things not to get saved. You do them because you are saved. That once you are saved, you do those things because of that free gift of eternal salvation. And so I want to live in a free society.
SPEAKER_02Wow, guys. I mean, that's that is that is epic, Charlie Kirk, right
How His Influence Keeps Growing
SPEAKER_02there. You know, and I think that's why a lot of people who thought he was just talking politics, they missed the fact that he was discipling people with every answer, whether on a college campus or like most of those clips and interviews, and the maturity, the spiritual maturity that he gained because he was willing to listen to Rob McCoy and and you know uh Jack Hibbs and and all three of us and and Bill Federer and all these people, and then turn around and articulate it better than maybe anybody in our in our lifetimes. But I'm just so amazed at the legacy that he left at such a young age where most people, and I mean 99.999% of people, if they'd been in his position with that much money and power and organization and the president and everything else, it would have gone to their heads. And he seemed to get more humble and more grounded as he went. Just beautiful, beautiful clips.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, incredible. I was with uh Rob McCoy uh yesterday. We we were both speaking at a pastor's luncheon, uh it was really a great event. Uh, but he he said a couple of things that I thought were just so profound. He said, you know, the left accused Charlie Kirk of hate speech, but the reality was they just hated his speech. Um and if you watch his his talks, uh and also one of the things Rob pointed out what was incredible is in in in the decade plus of Charlie Kirk's ministry, uh, you know, of turning points history, uh they had gained tens of millions, hundreds of millions of views, but since Charlie's death, it has now gone times ten with how many views have been watched. I even uh when when I was trying to to figure out what videos would be a good fit or what audio clips we could take from videos that would be a good fit for this. Uh I mean I watched so many videos and I just was encouraged, uh, you know, a little sad at at times too, but going, man, so impressive. But this is this is what's great is how many more people have now turned to some of these videos and are being discipled by Charlie even after he's gone. Uh and just incredible to see the way that God has used him. Now, with that being said, um we do know that Charlie was also a a political monster in so many ways. He was so engaged, had it not been for Charlie, and I I feel this and think this very deeply. Had it not been for Charlie helping to uh reach the rising generation, the Gen Z, the the young millennials, uh, I don't know that President Trump would, and I mean obviously God would have done, God would have moved if that's what's God's plan, but God used Charlie Kirk without his effort. I don't think President Trump would be in the White House today. And I say all that knowing that if Charlie was here, he, Dad, he would be at the convention with you. Uh he would be uh actually one of the speakers, but he would be encouraging all of the people that were there, the speakers that were there. Uh so knowing he would be very invested in this. So, Dad, I'm curious. Uh, you were there all day yesterday. What was the tone of the room? Rick and I were watching um some social media posts and some clips, and we're seeing highlights, and uh, we're all texting back and forth, but there were several that you texted us, and you're like, This speech is incredible. Are you guys watching this? Uh, Dad, what stood out to you the most? Uh, maybe what were some of the more defining moments and what were some of the better speeches you heard yesterday?
RNC Tone: Branding Democrats As Radical
SPEAKER_05Well, I I would say that first off, I have to start with the mayor culpa. Because I got this thing totally wrong. Uh, we talked about this lead dumping convention. Uh, I did what I thought that was gonna happen, and it turned out I was totally wrong on what happened. Um, because uh, you know, I I love the term Rick that you used yesterday, this kind of boutique messaging that they've got thirty-six different topics, hundred and nine speakers, as the what they're gonna do is hit some of everything so that whatever race you go into, there will be soundbites on that. I was wrong. What they did was they hit every one of those topics and said, Look how extreme and radical the Democrats are on this. The word I heard more than anything was radical. R radical and extreme, and and how far out they were on on so many issues. And it was just issue after issue after issue after issue, and the issues all came together, and the the one adjective that kept popping out is look how extreme, how extreme, how extreme. And so it was it was quite fascinating to see that there was so much communication messaging done, and it I I have to admit it is absolutely brilliant. They they put this together in a way that just kind of blows my mind. They they took so many different things, put 'em all together under the same word, and that word is radical. Radical or extreme. They I I I say that. If you have a thesaurus, you can probably find five words for radical. They used all of them over and over and over. But that was the messaging that came through. And I I pulled some clips from from yesterday because I thought they were really good. Um let's let's play one from Tim Scott here. Tim Scott is a senator from uh South Carolina. He is now the senior senator since Lindsay Graham has has recently died. So he's a senior senator, but he is also the guy in charge of uh of funding all the Senate races. He's he's over the senatorial campaigns. And so all these places where we're looking at races that maybe Republicans pick up, maybe they lose a seat here or there. Tim is the guy that's up with all these. And just kind of listen to to the way that he he push out with each of these different Senate candidates how radical the opposition is on the Democrat side. It's a great clip.
Tim Scott’s Case Against Senate Democrats
SPEAKER_01Not a single Democrat had the courage to put American security first. Not a single Senate Democrat would support voter ID. Unbelievable! Not a single Senate Democrat would vote to cut taxes on a single mother like the one that raised me. And if you think this group is really bad, this midterm we face the most dangerous, radical, and frankly weird Democrat candidates in American history. And then in Alaska, you got Mary Patola. Mary's the special one. She said that Joe Biden was the smartest, sharpest person she ever met. Seriously. Let me say this. In Michigan. Where's Michigan in the house? There you are. Michigan, take care of Mike Rogers because your candid over there is a wonderful man named Mike Rogers, but he faces dangerous, radical, and weird. Abdul El Simon. Abdul El Simon says football is racist. Have you seen the NFL? He says Fourth of July fireworks tough. He hates part of his own state. He's not sure Israel should exist. And when it comes to the American dream, he prefers the Canadian dream. But worst of all, Abdul El-Sayed panders with terrorists. He panders terrorists. You can see why this election is so, so important. The only way to keep dangerous, radical, weird out of the Senate is the United Republican Party.
SPEAKER_02Wow, man. I mean, talk about calling them out specifically on each of those, on some of those. It's kind of like what we talked about yesterday, guys, when we had chat on, you know, just the fact that they are so crazy and they've done so the the Democrats have taken so many crazy positions. Are we branding them with that? Are we label and what you're saying, David, is they did that over and over and over again, and Tim Scott obviously did it in those Senate races.
SPEAKER_05Well, it was real funny because the the uh it was I again, it was fascinating. The two extremists that they kept pointing to the most was Al Saeed uh up in Michigan, the the Democrat, Socialist for America guy who, you know, is anti-Fourth of July kind of stuff. And Talo Rico was the other one that they kept putting up there. And they found so much with Talo Rico out of the guy running in Texas against Ken Paxton, and they just kept using his own sound bites, and and you're going, wow, this is you know, they're they're not having to piece things together and and and make fake commercials. These guys really said this stuff, and it really is radical. And and so they start going through how that the the guy in Ohio, the Democrat in Ohio, he wants boys to play in girls' sports. And they would go through senator after senator that's running against these Republican challengers or incumbents, and and you're going, wow, they really are radical. And that was one of the points they made is look, we're not just p pulling the radicals out, we're just pointing out Democrats are radical now. This is where they are. We talked before about how that since 2019 they've elected 250 Democrat Socialists of America, and these are the ones that have a platform to abolish the Constitution. And they've been elected as Democrats. So it's not like you're having to pick and choose. You've got a lot of ground here, and and there were just so many good sound bites from what happened in in the convention.
Trump’s Weave And Paxton Endorsement
SPEAKER_05And and I I really was quite fascinated, by the way. I I I'm gonna have to see what all the papers are today, but I'm betting that Trump actually got the Dems to do something that I didn't think they would do, and that's lose their ever loving mind. Uh he was having so much fun last night in his speech, and generally when he gets away from the teleprompters you can count on an hour and a half, two hour speech. He just he runs, he rambles, he he makes fun of everything. Uh and he made so He does the weave. Uh yeah, it is. And he made so much fun of Democrats that they're going to be ballistic because they don't know how to they don't know how to laugh. They don't have humor. Everything is a crisis and everything and so I I I think he was just really, really baiting them in so many ways. And and so I think you'll even see more extremism from them responding to what he did last night. And I mean he even ha he he said uh one of the funny moments of the night was with Ken Paxon. So Ken Paxson running against Talarico, and uh, you know, Trump earlier in the week had talked about Ken Paxon and the thing that Dems and others picked up on is Trump criticizing him that he doesn't address all that well. And so, you know, Trump making these comments, Trump makes comments about everything all the time. And so you had Ken Paxon who who spoke last night, and it was okay. Yeah, I mean it was a and when Trump got up, he he just started going ad lib, and he said, Now, my my guys told me not to say this. He said, But I'm gonna say it, he said, Ken Paxon really doesn't dress that well. He he just doesn't look that sharp. And you know, he really doesn't talk that sharp. He's just i he's just and he went through three things. He said, But I'll tell you this, he's the best attorney general in the history of the United States. If it wasn't for Ken Paxton, we wouldn't have the wall on the southern border. And he just goes sort of he said, I don't care how he looks, I don't care how he talks. He says, I do goofy things too. He said, But this guy's got the best policy, and it was the best backhanded endorsement I think I've ever heard. And it was something the Democrats thought they could use because, you know, he's talking about the way he doesn't dress proper, doesn't speak proper. But then he laid it on the policy, and it was just it was so many surprises to me last night where the Trump was outside of the box and I think got some terrific stuff accomplished that's gonna be very hard for the Democrats to deal with.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's take a quick break, guys. We got some more clips to play. We'll be right back here listening to the Wall Boulder Show.
How To Listen And Share
SPEAKER_02Hey friends, Rick Green from the Wall Boulder Show. Encouraging you to share the program with friends and family and listen to it on the podcasts that are out there. There's so many options out there for you to listen to in the car or from home or while you're working out. You've got Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, Castbox. I mean, there's so many options, and we just want to make sure you know we've worked hard to get it out there and make it available for you on all those different apps. Everybody's got their favorite app, so choose your particular app. And if it's not on there yet, email us, radio at wallbuilders.com and let us know about your favorite podcast app. We'll make sure Wall Builders Radio is listed there. But you can listen and most importantly, share it with your friends and family. That's how the program grows. That's how we get more truth in the hands of as many people as possible. And then, of course, wallbuilders.show, super easy place uh to find all of those podcast apps and to just download right there from that website as well as be able to share it with your friends and family. So check it out today, Wabulders.show, or just go directly to your favorite podcast app, listen to the Wallboulder Show, and share it with as many people as you possibly can.
Brandon Gill’s Land Acknowledgment Flip
SPEAKER_02Welcome back to the Wall Boulder Show. Thanks for staying with us talking about the convention uh from yesterday, more going on today, of course. But uh David, you had us uh listen to Tim Scott. Who was another one that you thought was worth uh worth playing?
SPEAKER_05Well, there were two that really stood out. Brandon Gill was one, and Brandon, I I was surprised that Brandon is now a household national name. When he came up to to speak as a congressman from Texas, and we in Texas are very familiar with the brilliant brain he has and how he just man, if you got a goofy witness or somebody doing something stupid, he will take you down just by asking questions. He doesn't have to embarrass you, he makes you embarrass yourself. And when he stepped up, I mean it was rousing, loud ovation from all 50 states. I thought, wow. You know, Brandon's now got a national standing, which is great. So listen to a couple clips of Brandon. You'll see how sharp he is on this. It's really good stuff.
SPEAKER_00Good evening. It's an honor to be here at the Republican National Convention in the great state of Texas. Now, I think it's only appropriate that we kick this convention off properly with a land acknowledgement. I'd like to acknowledge that we stand here today in the great state of Texas and the United States of America. The ancestral homeland of great American patriots, pioneers, and explorers who put down roots, fought for freedom all over the globe, and bled and died to build the greatest civilization ever known to man. And we're no longer going to apologize for that. This election is very clear. It's the mainstream versus the extreme. Because there's another political movement in our country right now that doesn't believe that America is or ever was great. They sometimes call themselves socialists, some even call themselves communists, but most of them simply go by Democrats. They're the ones who will tell you that your love for America is nothing but bigotry. That our heritage is rooted in white supremacy, and that your Christian faith is patriarchal and needs to be dismantled. That's extreme. There are the people like Democrat congressional nominee Dari Eliza Chevalier, who tweeted, I forgot to get napkins, so I just wiped my hand on the American flag behind me. And later said, quote, this country is an effing disgrace. That's extreme. There are people like Democrat congressional nominee Claire Valdez, who described American foreign policy as one of, quote, white supremacy and capitalist exploitation. That's extreme. And here in Texas, we have James, God is non-binary. There are six genders. We need to dismantle capitalism, Calerico. It's somebody who will hollow out your most deeply held Christian faith and wear it like a skin suit. That's extreme. And now as we near the 25th anniversary of 9-11, Democrats are nominating Abdul Rahman Mohammed Al-Sayed, an extremist who sympathized with terrorists and who campaigned with a man who says America deserved 9-11. That's extreme and deplorable. Now we have to admit that every party has their crazies. The difference is that the Democrat Party is nominating theirs for Congress.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Yeah, he's he's good in committee, but also good on stage, guys. That's that's phenomenal. So uh man, David, I know you picked out some other folks that you thought just did an outstanding job. We're not gonna have time to play them. Maybe we can play some more on on Friday, but uh but you feel pretty good then about uh uh after the first day.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, and you heard in in that rhetoric how extreme they were, you know, wiping your hands on the American flag, and it's not like he had to look for this stuff. This is stuff that they're talking about, and they post on social media themselves, and they're so radical that it seems normal to them. And I think that that's gonna be maybe their undoing of this. Now, it's all dependent on whether you can get this information out to voters, whether they can see the stuff, hear the stuff, uh, whether they'll turn out, whether they get activated and realize how extreme these guys are, because it if Trump loses either the House or Senate and can't move forward for the next two years, it it is not gonna be a a pretty picture for at least getting rid of the stuff. But there were so many good things that came out, and I I thought it was an excellent evening last night.
Vote For Policies Not Personalities
SPEAKER_03Well, and that too, this is where I would remind everybody as uh, you know, one of the things we talked about probably coming from this convention is they're trying to encourage the get out of the vote, uh, especially in some of these states where there is a divided Republican uh community uh on some of these candidates. But what I think is so great, backing up to what Trump said about Ken Paxton, is you look at the record. And one of the things we have to first of all remember as Christians is that we have a stewardship, we have a responsibility, we have a duty to show up and let our voice be heard because we the people who are in charge. We're we are leaders in the nation that God has placed us in, because that's what having a vote and a voice means. So we have to show up and vote. Well, if people are looking going, man, I don't like any of these candidates, you vote for the one that the policies will do the most to advance biblical truth and freedom and those principles, or you vote for the one whose policies will do the least damage to freedom and those principles. Whatever it is, we have to be strategic. Show up and vote, and then vote for the best policies. And that's what President Trump was saying about Ken Jackson. When you look at what he's accomplished, what those policies are that he advocates this is the best candidate for that position, is what President Trump was saying. So show up and vote and vote for policies, not just personalities.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and let's build some momentum going into the election.
Pray For The Kirk Family
SPEAKER_02So share today's program with your friends and family, and definitely take a moment today to pray for Erica Kirk and the family, the turning point team, all of those uh who today obviously is going to be a very, very difficult day. But we know that God will hold them up, and we know that God is already continuing to work and use Charlie's voice in an even broader platform than when he was with us. Thanks for listening today. You've been listening to the Wall Boat Show.
