Rick Green [00:00:07] This is the intersection of faith and culture. It's the WallBuilders Show taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. Hot topic out there right now is the Democrat Socialists of America. We're seeing videos all over the place. Apparently, they're actually winning elections, not just given speeches. So, we'll have to actually address that. Is that a serious threat for America? Are they the real deal? And what does it mean for the Democrat party? What does it mean for the country? Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton later in the program, general Bob Dees, so we'll definitely be getting to talk about healthy veterans and what he's doing with the National Center for Healthy Veterans. But before that, guys, is they're going to be in America? If these Democrat socialists get control, it's not going to look like the America we grew up in, for sure. 

Tim Barton [00:00:48] No, one of the things that is the reason we're talking about this. There was a video that took a little bit of X by storm. And I say that they went a little bit viral a little, meaning it didn't get, you know, billions of views. But certainly, it was something that was on my feed. I did a response video to it yesterday and had several people talking about it. The Democrat Socialist of America had a committee meeting. So some leaders. And one of things they said in this meeting is there was two things that really identified who they were. They said one of them is our programs, meaning all the things they're working to do. And the second one was their hatred of the U.S. Constitution. They literally, in the next 30 seconds, they go on to talk about how they want a revolution in America, they want pure democracy, and the thing holding them back, but the thing that will help get them there, that will get them the democracy that will get them what they want. The thing holding them back currently is U.S. Constitution. So when they want to be identified by their hatred of the U. S. Constitution and the thing that they want a revolution, but the thing in the way of the revolution is the Constitution, they're literally saying the quiet part out loud where for a lot of people, they have this view of socialism. I say this, a lot young people are being literally revolutionized and we don't recognize how serious this is. When you look at the Democrats that over 60% of Democrats have a favorable view of socialism and it's less than 20% of democrats that have a negative view of socialism. This is something that is rapidly growing in our nation and one of the things that we're seeing the tide shift a little bit on this issue of gender over the last, honestly, it's been nearly a decade. Because I think, Dad, was it back in 2017, when our friend Barbara Ehart from Idaho introduced the Save Women's Sports Bill? At 2017. So nearly right at this point, probably about 10 years ago, when that happened, there were a lot of people going, man, this is crazy. What are you talking about? And we supported her in that effort. We worked very hard with her and Alliance Defending Freedom and coming up with some of the ideology behind it, the kind of the defense of it from some basic history and civic understanding. All that to say, is for the last 10 years this has been something that has been a real ideological issue in America. This issue of the transgender movement, of the women's sports movement. And I'm saying that from a high level so we can look at the breakdown of where things go even further. But we are starting to win that and I think our messaging is getting far better where I don't think that we have done a really good job and where we have to recognize the winds are shifting and this is the direction we're going now. It's really the issue of socialism and capitalism. I'm saying that for everybody listening. If you feel like that you are now, you have a firm grasp on helping people navigate the gender issue, like boys and girls, protecting girls in sports, also obviously their bathrooms. For those of us listening that have paid attention, we feel very comfortable having that conversation and debate, like this common sense is not complicated, but I feel like a lot of us are not as polished on our defense of the free market, individual responsibility, what would generally be on this capitalism side. And I think this is the new debate for the next 10 years, is are we going to be socialist, or are we gonna be free market individual responsibility individuals? And really it comes down to, do we think government is the solution, and do we need more government, which is what socialism does, or do we think that it's really about individual rights and individual responsibility? I think this is the direction that we have to pay attention and begin to learn and understand what are the arguments and talking points against socialism and for more of the Founder's idea of inalienable rights? Individuals that we are talking about individual responsibility, individual liberty, not more government, not collectivism, not socialism. I think is the debate of the future. 

David Barton [00:05:21] Tim, a couple more thoughts on that. What you were talking about with, with their, their abhorrence of the Constitution. What, what they're saying is we don't want the rule of law. Because what the Constitution does is establish the rule law. By going to democracy, the word the Founding Fathers used for that was mobocracy. And a democracy you don't need a written document because it's whatever the majority of people voted at that point in time. So you lose all written laws. You lose all concept of laws. That's why it becomes a mobocracy. It goes very much more in an anarchy direction. And so when they're talking about attacking the Constitution, what they're wanting to do is remove all rule of law, make it all popular vote, which means you do everything on emotions. Whoever can get the most media hyped up against somebody. That's the guy that's going to get convicted and executed. And so this really is an all hands-on deck right now. You, we don't want these guys to go any further. And if you don't understand how far they've made it since 2019, there have been 250 Democrat Socialists elected to public office. Just this year, they're running 40 people on the ballot just this year. And if we think that, oh, this is a fringe group, they are never going to get anything.. No, no, you've already missed it. They're making great progress and if we don't stand up and stop this, it's going to result in things that none of us want. 

Tim Barton [00:06:36] Well, in looking at what they promote, they want to abolish the Senate. They want to completely get rid of the Senate, they wanna change the U.S. Supreme Court, they want remove the Electoral College. When you look at what the want to accomplish, Dad, I'm saying all this in affirmation of what you're saying. They want a straight democracy. Whatever the whim of the people is in that moment. They want to remove the rule of law or checks and balances, a separation of powers. They don't want that at all. And that's why one of the descriptions that was given by the Founding Fathers was a mobocracy. It's dangerous. It's a mob that is just turned loose to do what they want. And I know guys that we, need to lane this plane just a little bit on the socialism conversation because we have General Dees who's going to be joining us shortly talking about some of what their initiatives are and what they're doing. It's an incredible program and we're excited to have him join us for today. But because this is an issue that is on the rise, when you look at right now, who is the trending name for the Democrats for presidential 2028 hopeful? It's AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is a Democrat- socialist who is right now thought to be the front runner for the democrats? For a president of the United States? We've seen. Right, Mamdani, the mayor of New York City, one of the most significant cities in America. Now, not just a Muslim, which already by this idea in New York city, they would never forget. They clearly have forgotten, but they're also embracing something. Equally if not even more dangerous to kind of fundamental American ideology and values and that is not only is this Mamdani a Muslim mayor, he is a democrat-socialist Muslim mayor. And we've talked before about the red-green alliance. About progressives and Islam coming together and things that are fundamentally anti-American values as again the democrat-socialists say that one of their core things is they hate the US Constitution. This is a real thing coming. So guys, probably in the future, we need to have a few programs where we get into this conversation more debunking some of what's going on out there. But I know we can't do that fully today because we have a great friend, General Bob Dees joining us shortly. But at least for now, people need to start thinking what is the talking points that I need to know? What is a conversation I need have? To help make sure I know why socialism or the Democrat Socialist of America, why their party and their platform is not good for the future of America. And why the free market individual responsibility and less government is better. Start in your head reviewing those because that's going to be a conversation we'll be having a lot more, unfortunately, a lot more in the future. 

Rick Green [00:09:23] And that they need to be having with their kids and grandkids who are coming back from schools that are, that are teaching this nonsense, which is why you got so many of these kids falling for it. Which is also why Patriot Academy, if the word socialism is spoken by anyone, the entire student body yells out "is bad, very, very bad!" Because it is, but they forgotten that. So we've got to teach it. So yeah, definitely we'll cover in the future. Of course, General Dees' waiting on us for today's program. So we want to talk about National Center for Healthy Veterans there in Virginia. And a really cool event they've got coming up with our friend Dr. Ben Carson. So stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with General Bob Dees here on The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:11:02] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Always good to have general Bob Dees with us! General, great to see you brother. Thanks for coming on. 

General Bob Dees [00:11:08] Good to be with you, Rick. I appreciate what WallBuilders does. 

Rick Green [00:11:11] Well, we saw the notice that you got Ben Carson coming out and you got your big ribbon cutting on the barn raising, September 25th. So you're what a month and a half away? 

General Bob Dees [00:11:20] Yeah, we really are. And it's a deja vu because Ben was here in 2021 after our first year in operation. And so now he's here after six years in operation, and it's great to have him here and have his support. 

Rick Green [00:11:34] Love it now for our listeners. We had you on right after the barn caught fire and the whole thing. But that's been a while. So some people may not remember it or might have new listeners. Remind us what happened. Well, actually no, no, let's back up for those who aren't familiar with the National Center for Healthy Veterans. Give us give us that first 

General Bob Dees [00:11:52] Oh, well, sure. Oh, our bumper sticker is: Returning Healthy Veterans to America. And that's exactly what we do. We're seeing red zone veterans come to us. So we do a lot of due diligence on who we bring in. They're unemployed, no homes, severe trauma, fractured families, whatever. We call them red zone, generally speaking. And we're seeing red zone guys go amber and green and get jobs in this. And so that's fun. So as we return healthy veterans to America, we do it various ways. We have a large platform, a lot of horses, some cattle, chickens, donkeys, et cetera, et cetera, but those are all enablers to programs that we have. One program that teaches resilience for 12 weeks, another one that's trauma recovery for 12 weeks, and then another one, that's an internship and they really a career preparation last 12 weeks, and then we put them out and to do good things for America. And we have a licensed counseling, we have certified coaching, and we have what we call work therapy on the 350 acres with all these animals, we have a lot of dignified work. 

Rick Green [00:12:58] And it's a beautiful setting. I mean, this is a gorgeous part of Virginia. I've been there, walked the grounds, seen where they live. It's absolutely incredible. And so it's great place for them, for them to get healthy. And before we get to the barn raising, if someone wants to help support someone that's coming there to be with you for that, that time period, do they just make a general donation to healthy veterans at the website? Can they sponsor a particular person or, or, you know, how does that work?

General Bob Dees [00:13:28] Yeah, we'll a couple of things... Healthyveterans.org is sort of the mother load that you go to, healthyveters.org. And then that's where you can refer a patriot. I just read a tearjerker of a letter just about two minutes ago of a patriot that's coming our way. He's talking about how he just sees this as God's gift to him. So many of your viewers are looking around, and they may be seeing veterans that are in the red zone that truly need help that we can provide. And so please refer to them. Secondly, yes on donations. We have all sorts of ways to designate, but the best, as you appreciate, is just send in a general donation and then that will go to the care and feeding of all of the veterans that we have in the various ways we take care of them. 

Rick Green [00:14:10] And that's healthyveterans.org. 

General Bob Dees [00:14:13] That's correct. 

Rick Green [00:14:14] Healthyveteran.org, and then that's the best place too. If you go there, you can find out about this barn raising that we're talking about, but the reason you need to have a barn raising, General, man, you already had a beautiful barn, and tragedy struck. That's been, has that been a year now? Has it been roughly a year when you- 

General Bob Dees [00:14:30] That was 2024 November, so it's over a year. It's almost two years. Almost two years, wow. And in that intervening two years God has allowed us to rebuild the arena, which burned down. We have a maintenance shop that burned down in that fire that's rebuilt. We have some offices that we've relocated. And then the final thing to be rebuilt has been this barn. It's a ten-stall barn and offices and tack and feed room and all that. The good news is that they'll be finished in about three weeks. And then that's where we'll cut the ribbon September 25th. So with Ben Carson. 

Rick Green [00:15:08] September 25th, you get a Western style dinner, barn ribbon cutting ceremony, live music, stories of transformation. You get to meet the horses and the staff. Now I would think more people are gonna wanna meet the horses than the staff, but anyway. And then fellowship with friends and supporters and of course hear from Ben Carson and get to see firsthand what's happening. It also is part of your 250 challenge. That's another thing I wanted to make sure people knew about. Tell us about the 250 challenge. 

General Bob Dees [00:15:34] Right. Well, the, we have done everything until the barn debt-free and we're grateful for that. It's generous donors. And yet to maintain the momentum and not lose our vendor base and have to get the game back together again, so to speak, we, we took out a debt on that barn. And so this 250 challenge, this is to help us raise the required resources to pay back the barn debt. So, and once that's done, we'll be totally out of debt and rockin' and rollin' again. 

Rick Green [00:16:04] That's awesome. This is beautiful. Well, the Bartons love you. I love you. We appreciate what y'all do. It gets real results. These are these are the people that you know made it possible for us to be free for us even be on the radio today. To do what we do, to enjoy a nation, to celebrate the 250th birthday of the nation. All of that wouldn't happen if it weren't for those willing to serve us on the front lines and General, we just appreciate you taking care of them when they come home and they need our help. We've, you know, over the years and in the interviews that we've had with you just talking about what to look for, how to help veterans, what to do when they come home. And we just appreciate you being a part of that solution. And we encourage people to go. I know obviously not everybody can travel in and go to the event, but everybody can go to website today and make a donation, whatever the Lord puts on your heart. Help General Dees do what he's doing so well. I guess it's been probably, man, it was probably 15 years ago the first time we had you on the air. I don't know, it's a long time. and we just appreciate you man thank you for what you're doing 

General Bob Dees [00:17:02] Well, I appreciate you. You know, my grandmother used to say many hands make light work. And so, you know, we're all in this together and appreciate the help of many hands around Texas and around the country as we work. 

Rick Green [00:17:14] Amen. September 25th. That's the big date. Go to the website today and be a part of the solution. Sponsor the event. Help them with this 250th and retiring that debt, healthyveterans.org is the place to go. General Deese, God bless you, man. 

General Bob Dees [00:17:27] Thanks for coming on. You too, Rick. God bless you! Appreciate it. 

Rick Green [00:17:31] Stay with us folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton. 

Rick Green [00:18:41] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us, thanks to General Bob Dees and the great work they're doing out there in Virginia. Of course, veterans from all over the country go to this program. And when we've had him on in the past, guys, we've talked about how to recommend someone or to get a hold of them and let them know. So anybody that's got someone in your life, a veteran that you know is struggling and you'd like to get them some help, National Center for Healthy Veterans. Phenomenal, phenomenal program. And of course, you know we all know Genera Dees as well. Just an incredible man too. So thrilled to have him on today 

David Barton [00:19:11] I'll tell you what, what Bob Dees is doing is, is pretty hard to imagine. I've been with them and been with these guys and the guys that come to them are the guys, that the programs everywhere else don't work. This is like their last stop. They are hopeless. They've given up. Everything they've tried is not worked. They've gone back and they come here and it's tough, tough program. And General Dees, is one of the nicest guys you'll ever be around, is really tough and hard on these guys. And it takes that and it goes back to something in the Christian world back in 1970, it was kind of rocked when a book came out by a guy named Jay Adams who was, he was a counselor, a Christian counselor, and the book was called Competent to Counsel, and it was based on Romans 15:14, where the Bible says you're competent to counsel. And so it was, all right, we as Christians we're competent to council others, but he went back and said, but in the English, it's not translated quite right. If you go back to the Greek and look at it, scholars all agree, the word is not competent to counsel. Like we have counseling. The word is competent to confront. You have to confront and sometimes you have to just stand in front of someone and get nose to nose, and you'll they'll say, listen, here's what you're doing. It's wrong, you're not. And that's what General Dees does in a very real way. I mean, he's got that military experience, but these guys have been through everything. They've been handled in so many ways with love and love is part of what Dees does. But I just have never seen the results with such tough cases as he has. And so he keeps them for really, he disciples them for several months and they have these tiny homes and the guys live there and they have responsibilities, things that they do every day. It's interesting, Proverbs 14:23 talks about how that all hard work is profitable and he makes these guys do hard work and they do it many hours a day. They work on the farm, they work with agriculture, they work horses, they worked with chickens, they have responsibilities. And I'm just telling you, I haven't seen a program with such a high success rate for such high risk people as what you see with General Dees. So anybody that really, your heart's drawn to these veterans who have been through such tough stuff, been through war, maybe they can't get it out, PTSD kind of stuff. What he does is extremely successful and if you wanna contribute to that, this is really good place to put seed. I have seen the results. I've seen what he does with these guys and he has a terrific staff with them. They all understand the same philosophy, but it goes back to what we as Christians began to understand really 55 years ago, that we are competent to confront. And that's something we're having to do even as we're talking the first part of the program. We got to confront Democrat Socialists. We have to confront Democrats Socialism. We can't just sit back and say, Oh, isn't that too bad? Wow. That's not good for America. No, you have to confront this stuff. And that's part of the backbone we're going to have to get, but that's something that General Deese has done very, very well. 

Tim Barton [00:22:10] Well, and the fact that now they've had to rebuild and have completed. Hopefully very soon we'll be done with the stalls. But having to rebuild some of what burned down and, and being able still to continue on ultimately with the, the heart and purpose of helping people in need. And Dad, as you mentioned, they have been able to help in some incredible ways. The event coming up in September, having Dr. Ben Carson, a good friend that we love and respect, who's going to be there communicating and being a blessing to them. And obviously the opportunity that people have to support, potentially to attend what's going on. They've done so much good work already and hearing the testimony of some of those veterans and individuals that have gone through the program and how it has radically changed and transformed their lives is absolutely an encouragement. And they are just doing some amazing, God-centered work up there. And we are just honored to know and support so much of what they do. 

Rick Green [00:23:11] Well, we've said it often, in that, these are the people that are willing to pay the ultimate price. And they pay a heavy price, even just giving of the young years of their life or making it difficult on their family. I was just talking to a guy the other night that had come down for our Military Veterans Patriot Academy. And I'd never really gotten his story, but just to hear about the years in Afghanistan and Iraq and just, you know, early in his life and, and you know he was glad to do it and proud to do it. But it definitely cost him. And there's, you know, there's definitely some, you know, wounds there that even today that that he deals with. And so it's not that way for everybody but man for those that haven't been able to to deal with those things and haven't gotten the care that they need to be able to, you know, enjoy the rest of their life without that haunting them. Man, General Dees is just fantastic at that. 

David Barton [00:24:02] Yeah, he is fantastic. And that is a great place to sow money and, and, and help into cause you're helping in the long-term. You're helping to restore families, veterans, so much else. But the other thing is, Hey, today is election day in three states. So if you happen to be in Alaska, if you haven't been in Florida or Wyoming, make sure you go vote. After today, there's only four states left that have not had their primaries. So we're getting into the true election season and starting this weekend, I'll be on the road doing events in Congressional House seats that we really need to win. In the election, we want to be able to try to keep the House together. If we can have the House and the Senate and the President for two more years, we can do a lot more reforms in America. So we'll be hitting the road. But this is a really, really, important time for the nation. Usually off-year elections, the off-party, which is the Democrats, would pick up 27 seats. Right now there is a genuine possibility that Republicans can hold this the way the polling looks right now. It's just going to take all hands on deck. You got to get out. You got be involved. You got get involved in these races. So if you're in Alaska or if you are in Florida or Wyoming, make sure you go vote the other four states, New England states coming up shortly, vote in those, but make sure that you vote in the generals especially. 

Tim Barton [00:25:18] Well, and Dad, I think we are to clarify when you say it looks like there's a real chance Republicans hold, is based on the polling. That's not based the polling that people are going to see on CNN, right? It's not based on some of the external polio that's based on some love of what we know a little bit of the internal polling, inside baseball, some of groups we work. With that, if Christians show up, it can make a difference. And Rick, actually, that's something that you and I today are in California for Turning Point Faith for an event, challenging pastors, that pastors have to engage far more than we have been up to this point. But if churches and Christians get involved, if we will do our duty, if we'll be faithful in stewarding the things God has given us, there is a reason to be prayerfully hopeful and optimistic. But it does take us showing up. And so in states right now, if you are somewhere where there's a primary going on, where there are elections today, or elections coming in the future, obviously for all 50 states, but even one of these primaries, as Christians, churches, pastors, we have to show up and be involved. 

Rick Green [00:26:24] Matt, it's so critical Tim in getting these pastors to lead their flock in that way and encourage them to do that. Of course, that's why we're both out here in California to do this and pastors all over the country that are listening to us right now, encourage your fellow pastors at other churches across the nation to do the same thing. It's so, so important. Out of time for today. Thanks for listening, folks. You've been listening to The WallBuilders Show.