Live From Patriot Academy Floor

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Welcome to the Wall Boater Show with David Barton and Tim Barton and Rick Green. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution Coach. Thanks so much for joining us today. Going to be coming to you from the Patriot Academy National Leadership Congress, taking place at the Patriot Academy campus in Constitution City, Texas. We do these leadership congresses all over the country and state capitals. But our national leadership congress we do at the Patriot Academy campus, where we rebuilt the Texas House chamber so that we could basically where we could do these year-round. Now, this is our big one. This is the one where students that have been to some of our regionals around the country come into the Texas Capitol and uh and get to do you know basically our our biggest event of the year. And it involves all the legislative simulation, the teaching, the training, the constitutional education, biblical worldview, communications training, you name it. And we have a fantastic time with it. So let's uh let's jump over to the to the uh house chamber over there where we've got some of the special guests that are gonna be sharing with you today. Coming to you live from the Patriot Academy campus in the legislative hall. So it's very noisy. So all that noise in the background, we've got uh I think it's a hundred and fifteen, maybe a hundred and twenty young people on the house floor in the legislative hall at Patriot Academy in Constitution City, Texas. And they are learning the Constitution, but they're actually living it out on the House floor, and so you can hear the activity as they're working on some bill. I don't even know what bill they're trying

Thomas Umstattd On Winning Mindset

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to pass. But seated here with me is Thomas Umstadt, Patriot Academy grad from wow, 20 years ago. What year did you first come? Oh five? Oh five. Oh five, wow, and then you were speaker of the house 06? Those yes, so you've actually had that gavel in your hand.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

I still have that gavel in my office, yeah. Surprise possession. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

Well, Thomas came all those years ago and then began it became began to speak at Patriot Academy. And I remember you telling the story one time about the first time Rick gave me a speaking slot, it was like 10 minutes, I don't know, and then it was 20 minutes, and then it was an hour. I I don't remember the progression, but eventually you were doing half the talks, it seems like so. Um, but it's been a few years, and we are thrilled to have you back, man. I know you're you're gonna do two talks this afternoon. Um, what are you hoping these kids get? Kids, they're adults, young adults, but now you can actually this is my first time where they feel like kids.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

I'm like, oh my goodness, this is a different generation. Um, so I think the number one thing is having a attitude of victory. Uh, I think that it's time for us to repent from retreatism. I think for a long time, when things got hard, the response was we'll just retreat and build our own thing. Yeah, and it's time to start eating from vineyards that we didn't plant and eating from fields that we didn't plant, the the grain, and taking land from the enemy. Yes. And that shift in mindset, I think, is is if nothing else gets across, I want that that change. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

You've always been a master of words, man. I I don't know how many quotes, jokes, everything else I still use today that I stole from you 20 years ago. Well, it should let you know I still a lot of your stuff still. So, oh man. Um and actually speaking of that, let's let's let's actually let's sidetrack

Storytelling That Shapes Culture

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for a second. So tell us what you're doing now. Talk to us about how you're helping authors and all the other things you're doing. Um, because I think that's important for people to realize too that we need more voices and we need more people to step into the debate or even just the culture conversations going on.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Yeah, so I'm a professional podcaster, if you can believe it. It was not a real job uh when I was in Patriot Academy. Still don't feel like it's a real job right now. But uh I have uh three podcasts. Uh the old one is Novel Marketing Podcasts, the longest-running book marketing podcast in the world, and it's just a bread and butter, here's how to market your book. And then I have the Christian publishing show, which is about how to write good books and how to honor God through your writing. But my newest show is Author Update, which gets into the culture and gets into politics, but how it affects the kind of stories that resonate with readers. And so, in some ways, I feel like I'm out of the game, but in other ways I feel like I'm influencing the influencers for the long term. You know, because Elon Musk is this big asset to the movement now, and he's a big asset now because of the books he read as a teenager, getting beat up in South Africa, reading Asimov, reading Heinland, and encountering those ideas through fiction that got him to start asking different questions and coming to different conclusions than everyone else around him.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

No, that's so good. And and I don't know, were you as shocked as me when Elon Musk starts, you know, sharing videos of Milton Friedman and and and you know, because he even called himself kind of a left winger, you know, what four years ago, five years ago, kind of like Joe Rogan, same thing, just a few years ago. And then all of a sudden he's become one of the greatest advocates for the principles that I mean you he's kind of like Franklin, right? We can't we would have to call he calls himself a cultural Christian. He's certainly not what where we come from in terms of the faith aspect, but he's pushing the right principles. And what you're saying is that goes all the way back to seeds that were planted in him in his teens.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

That's right. He's actually a lot like Franklin. There is an archetypal uh American that's Franklin Edison Musk, which is the electric man, the man who's a little outside of politics, but who's very smart, who cheat you call it? The electric man. All three men had major breakthroughs in electricity. Wow. And they were all very smart and they all changed their era, right? Uh Franklin, his inventions completely transformed America from a backwater to uh by the time he died, we were more advanced than Europe in many categories. Like the very best rifles in the world were being made in like backwoods, Tennessee, partly because the guild system in Europe was so broken. Um, but we had a lot of breakthroughs in that Edison, of course, is obvious, and then uh Musk is that same sort of outsider voice. And I think that's one of the wonderful things about the American system is that it has a room for non-professional politicians in kind of the political discourse. And um, you know, Franklin wasn't a professional politician, right? That wasn't his goal or driving um energy, but he was really good at it. Uh Edison, I think, was the least involved of the three politically, uh, although we will see how I think Musk realized just how toxic it is. And he he burned himself on the stove. Yes.

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No, I felt the same way. It was like so much good stuff, right? He's bringing such a good voice in it, all the you know, doge stuff was great, uncovering this stuff so fast in a matter of weeks, and then just hit the brick wall of the swamp. And he's going, wait a minute, uh, you know, the very people that brought me here are now saying no to the thing that they asked me to do.

Musk, Franklin, And Accountability

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That's right.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

So and Musk represents we're we're in this like epochal shift. So most nations only last 250 years, and this is a like law of history almost. There's a few exceptions, and we are modeled after Rome, which is one of the exceptions. So the the Roman kingdom lasted almost exactly 250 years, the Roman Empire lasted two sets of 250 years as it went from the um principate to the dominant, but the Roman Republic, which is what we're actually modeled off of, lasted 400 years because it was able to self-reform, break the cycle from within, but break that natural cycle of getting lazy because you've had it so good.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

And and so like they added the tribune of the plebs as like this core constitutional shift where now the plebs had a bigger voice in government. And um, but that 250-year timer we have just hit. Yeah, so this is the like big question of will we continue for another 250 years? What what will that transformation be? Because we'll need a chance change. Yes, and Musk runs his companies in a way that represents a key shift, and that is he doesn't run his companies by committee. So all of the American government and almost all organizations, your church, my church, everyone's churches, they're all run by committee. Musk's companies are not run by committee. He runs them very much like a monarchy where people come into the throne room and give a report and they're held directly accountable, and then they go and do the things. There's no committee that they move very quickly, and it's why in every single sector he's able to outperform his competition. That's I think why he struggled with Doge, because you can't just transform the American government into that model of direct authority, which is the Nebuchadnezzar head of gold approach to government, where I give you all the authority, and if you win, I cover you in gold, and if you lose, I put your head on a spike. We can't sell that in DC? Yeah. No, in DC, everyone's uh allergic to that level of radical accountability. And in fact, the whole approach to success is to avoid as much accountability as possible. Whereas Musk only hires the best people and it gives them authority and it gives him accountability.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

And he expects way more than anybody else. He demands more than anybody else, and maybe that's why he can do that because it's it's it's not it's bottleneck to one person, it's easier to hold them accountable. They want to rise to the occasion. I mean, I've never thought about it that way. That kind of because I've always wondered how in the world is this guy doing space, you know, the Tesla, doing all of these things that if you just did one of those things, you'd be one of the most successful people in history. And he's doing like five of them.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Yeah, it's it's very similar to Edison. Edison's biggest invention was not the light bulb or the phonograph, it was the research industrial process of putting a bunch of smart people in a room and saying, I expect you to invent a new thing every week. And every RD program in every company is modeled after Edison's innovation of that process. And so far, no companies have the guts to copy Musk's radical accountability approach. But if you're willing to get rid of the committees and just give a person authority, you can beat all of your competitors who are still running on committee.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Would you say this is so interesting, man? Like we got to get back together because I would love to dive a lot further into this one. Would you say, but let's go down that rabbit hole just one one way. Does the executive branch have is it more likely that we could do that there if you appoint a secretary of that agency and give them blanket authority? And maybe this is the whole battle the Supreme Court just ruled. Yes, he can't, the president can hire and fire. Like if the president had the authority to hire and fire everybody in the federal branch that is under the executive branch, now you can hire a secretary of that particular agency and say, clean house, make this thing work the way it's supposed to work.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

This has always been the dream. Like, presidents have been creating czars for a long time with this hope of like, I'm gonna put a person in charge, I'm gonna make Kamala Harris in charge of the border and she's gonna fix it, right? So part of the problem was Kamala Harris was a low IQ person, as Trump would say. And so even if she didn't have to fight a bureaucracy, she probably couldn't have fixed it. But even if she was really smart, she doesn't have enough authority because being able to replace the people at the top isn't powerful if those people don't have the same authority. It's a centurion in uh the book of Matthew, right? I am a man under authority and I have authority. And so you you can't give somebody authority if they don't actually have authority. And so you have to be able to fire all the way down. So we have to make bureaucrats' jobs insecure, which requires a core fundamental shift in how bureaucracies work and the core social contract with bureaucrats. Because bureaucrats have up to this point operated very much like artificial intelligences, where they don't have a lot of agency, they're just an extension of the machine. And so 2001 Space Odyssey wasn't about AI. Nobody in the audience, when they watched that movie, had ever encountered a computer. This was the 1960s, but they had all encountered a bureaucrat who said, I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. All of the AI movies from the 80s are the different views of government, right? The Terminator is not about AI, it's about the government. And it's about because we hadn't encountered AI and that you can talk to until very recently, and none of the fiction is actually about that. And so we've all been to the DMV where they say you need this form, you got to get it from somebody else. You go to the other person, they say no, you need the form, you go back and forth, back and forth. And they both say, I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. That was what was resonant about that scene and why audiences in the 1960s loved it so much. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

Man, oh so good. Yeah, we gotta come back to this one, bro. We'll we'll we'll do this again for sure. Okay, back to what's happening now, the leadership congress out on the floor. Um, and and you came 20 years ago. How did how did your experience at Patriot Academy affect you?

Character Training For Self-Government

SPEAKER_00 12:15

It was a core defining moment uh for my life, really, because Patriot Academy gave me several really key things. It gave me some vision that I could make a difference in the world. And that was important 20 years ago. I think it's even more important right now because there's a a lot of young people who feel like they're a victim of fate and they've been dealt a bad hand, and they have been dealt a bad hand, right? Young people look at their parents' lives and they look at where they are when they were their parents were their same age, see that they're behind, see that their parents maybe were behind their grandparents, and it's very discouraging. And then it's easy to say, there's nothing I can do. And Patrick Academy is like, no, there's all kinds of things you can do, and you can do inside of yourself. So Patriot Academy sells itself as this constitution training. You probably heard Rick say constitution a million times, but what it secretly gives you is character training and skills training. That's good. This is a marketer, man.

SPEAKER_03 13:10

This guy knows what's really happening here.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Yeah, so it's like here's how to give a good speech, here's how to control your emotions. Um, because that is not a concept that's popular, right? It's like, oh, I want to get in touch with myself. It's like, no, actually, you can control your emotions, you can have self-control. In fact, you need to have self-control if you want to be effective in a political uh environment. You can't let your fear control you, or your greed, or your or your anger, right? All of these emotions can destroy you, and you can control them. You can control yourself, but it requires discipline. And that discipline is what's required for a free people. Yeah, exactly right. No, you can't self-govern.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

I mean, the free people is not that that's not gonna last if if those people aren't self-governing, and that's the that's the core of what we're what we're teaching here. Okay, you're doing two topics this afternoon, and uh tell us just a 30-second overview of each of those topics that you're gonna cover with the students.

When To Compromise Without Selling Out

SPEAKER_00 13:59

So I'm a big believer that a talk's not worth giving if it's not risky. So my first talk is on compromise. Yeah, and it is all about when to listen to wise counsel. Because to never compromise is to assert that you're always correct, and nobody is always correct. So we all need to compromise, but we don't want to become compromised. So how do we navigate that? And I'm looking at Benjamin Franklin and the founders predominantly, but there's a lot of proverbs snuck in and some Star Wars references. It's a that's a Thomas Umstep presentation, if I've ever heard one. Which again, with Gen Z, I don't know if they like Star Wars. I will say my kids, Gen Alpha, they find Star Wars very boring. They'd rather watch Dude Perfect do a Star Wars sketch than watch a Disney or a Lucasfilm Star Wars film. So it's a bit we're going through a big generational shift. And then my second talk is the even more risky talk, uh, and that's on AI.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

Uh, this is gonna be a hot topic for sure. And and I want to learn how to argue this one because I'm dealing with that politically, you know, all over the state of Texas. Let alone.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

So uh I'll be giving a talk to a group of armed Gen Zers who all hate AI. But they've been going to Patriot Academy and they've learned self-discipline. And to this and they'll have just heard my talk about how to disagree agreeably. So you you played this. I'm prepping them. My head is at the end.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

So you you plan this appropriately in the order. Thomas Umstead, uh website where people can learn more and uh catch all three of your podcasts.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Authormedia.com.

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Authormedia.com, Thomas Umstead. It is so good to have you back at Patriot Academy. Stay with us folks. We'll be right back on the Wall Builder Show.

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Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show.

Young Legislator’s Path To Office

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We're going to head back out to the Patriot Academy campus where we're hosting the National Leadership Congress. Next guest up is Elias Kub Gonzalez. Coming to you live at the Patriot Academy campus in Constitution City, Texas, for the National Leadership Congress. So all the noise you hear in the background is an actual legislative simulation taking place with young people from across the nation. And they are debating all the major issues of the day and having an incredible week. And uh here with us, Elias Kub Gonzalez, who came to Patriot Academy, what, eight years ago? Ten years ago. Eight years ago for the first time, uh, but now serves in the West Virginia House. So he's an actual legislator. But Elias, now you're getting to coach these young people on what you actually do in real life, but giving them uh a simulation so that they can learn how government actually works.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Yep. Yeah, just to give your listeners a little bit of background, uh, I came to PA, like you said, eight eight years ago when I was 16. And it was that very same year that my neighbor from across the street was elected to the state legislature, and he's a very liberal guy, uh very much against family values. And so even though I didn't know at the time when I was 16 that I was ever gonna run for office, now looking back, I I can see that God was preparing me. And so when I was 19, I saw this opportunity to run for office, and uh obviously I I prayed about it. I talked to uh some of my most uh respected mentors, you included, and I made the decision to run and I won, got elected, and it's and you were how old? I was uh 20.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

20 at the time, and then elected as a state legislator.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Yep, so I was uh the youngest member of the West Virginia legislature, and I I still am. It's been really cool to see see myself come full circle just as a student here at PA, becoming a legislator, and then coming back to PA to help the students here. Uh it's been an incredible blessing for me, honestly. And uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

How how important was your Patriot Academy experience to then uh even deciding to run, but but definitely in how you served or how you how you were a part of the process?

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Yeah, Patriot Academy played a huge role. Uh I mean uh in two ways, really. First, Patriot Academy prepared me in in my philosophy. Um so when I was here, I was really challenged to think about what I believe and uh and why. Then I think that just having the the community of people um at Patriot Academy was the other big thing that that helped me be a good legislator. Because when when you learn the right stuff, um sometimes you you go out there and you try and make a difference and then you get discouraged and beat down, and then you just become part of the process. But when you have that good community of people that hold you accountable and keep you down to your roots, um you can be a good legislator.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Because when you get there, there's there's a lot of opposition, even within your own party, right? I mean, I I found when I was there, some of my worst opposition was in the same party, wasn't even from the other party. Yeah. So you need you need folks that you can count on and they can lift you back up. Iron sharpening iron, right? That's what it literally is. Um, how do you teach, how do you then transfer that to this generation that you're teaching out here? I mean, these are actually your your peers, some of them are just as old as you. Um, but how do you get that across to them? What you've learned in the legislature, actually serving in West Virginia, what do you really hope they remember from that and and take with them?

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Yeah. Well, I think uh it depends a little bit. Um, you know, some of the students come and at first they're a little more timid, uh, just like I was. And in that case, I I just try and reinforce them and and show them that this is actually something that they can that they can actually reach, right? Yeah, because that's where I started. And then you have some other students that are actually very talented and they're very zealous. And in that case, sometimes you just need to polish them a little bit and remind them to stay humble and a little hone. It's like sharpening a sword, right?

SPEAKER_03 20:25

I mean, you're literally honing them.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Yeah, but what what's good about that is it's always better to rein someone in who's a little overly zealous than trying to motivate someone who doesn't really want to, you know, be in there. And so I personally those are those are my favorite kind of students. They're a little difficult to deal with at first, but when you get them just on the right path, like they're they're just unstoppable.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

I'm laughing because I remember my junior, uh my junior year of high school, the uh the guy that was my coach in mock trial, and I'd gone through all this stuff. And anyway, um he he he joked about the fact when I tell other teachers that this kid's likely to do something, they aren't so sure about because I was a little bit of a troublemaker. But he was iron sharpening me and he he saw some of those things. I mean, you see that in some of these colleagues that you're talking to and and training. Um, are are they, you know, do they come in here grounded or do they come? I mean, most of them have at least a belief in God. They've got some level of constitution, constitutional respect, but they don't really know a lot of those things. I mean, do you see growth in them in the course of a week?

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Oh yeah, definitely. Um I definitely saw a lot of growth when I came to Patriot Academy. I attended in in Delaware and Texas uh my first two years. And really the quality of instructors that you have here are are are second to none. I mean, you have David and Tim Barton here, uh, you have Chris Dunham, and they absolutely just jam-pack as much stuff as they can. And yeah, I mean it helps you so much. A little bit overload almost, like kind of an overload. But I can even say, as a legislator now, I'm coming back to Kate Patriot Academy and it helps refresh my memory. On certain things, and I'm I'm still learning from them.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

The process, okay, so we're teaching them constitutional, teaching them biblical worldviews. So they're getting the philosophy, but the process itself, actually how to get a built-through committee, how to debate on the floor, how to, you know, convince people to join your side. That's that's something that's really unique uh in in what we do. And it's a bit of a you know fire hose. They learn a lot go through a lot in that first year. You came back what four times, I think multiple, multiple years. Did it start sinking in a little bit more each year? I mean, did that help to have the multiple opportunities to learn those things?

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Yeah, just kind of in the legislature, the first time you show up, you're really learning the entire time. Uh but when you come back, you're actually uh partaking the process, it actually becomes kind of fun. But I will say that having gone through Patriot Academy several times before going into elected office, I had an advantage over other freshmen because pretty much every legislator that gets elected, when they first get there, they've never done anything like this. And so when they go to a committee or they they see someone make a motion to move the previous question, they have no idea what that means.

SPEAKER_03 23:04

But these are actual legislators.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

These are actual legislators, yeah. But again, when I showed up as a freshman, uh, I didn't know everything, but I I had a pretty good idea of how things were. I knew that I needed to talk to my chairman, I knew what a point of order was, I knew all these different things, and I wouldn't have known it if I had not gone to patient capital.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Yeah, it makes a big difference, uh huge, huge difference. Um What do you think are the most important issues for these students to be paying attention to right now? They're you know, there's a large percentage of their generations binding to socialism. There's just a the shift right now where Americans are trying to figure out what it means to be an American. What are you trying to get across to them while you have a week with them?

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Yeah. I would say be very critical of uh everything that's being thrown at you. So, you know, that that could be a danger, but I think a big opportunity is that for the past 50 years, uh especially young men, but just young people in general, we've been uh taught to to go against our nature. And I think young people are rebelling really in a good way, and we're we're trying to find that truth. We're trying to do the things that God intended us to do. Um and my encouragement to other young people is just to find that and to do it.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

Yeah, amen. And I think there's a lot of these students out here that are doers, like they want to latch on to something, like they don't want to sit around and wait. So we just have to make sure we give them something good to work on and to latch on to. So tell us about you. So you're you've done, is it two terms or three terms now? Two to two terms in the legislature, and uh you decided not to run again. So what's next for Elias?

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Uh I want to join the military. Uh not exactly sure what I want to do, but uh I have to say joining the military is what I've wanted to do my entire life. And actually running for office was kind of like a side quest, and so now I'm I'm going back to my original uh career trajectory, but that's what's next for me.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

And so you've got what, six months left? But you served through uh end of December, end of January? Yes. Something like that. Okay. Well, man, thanks for your time. Thanks for coming and helping us sharpen these young people, as you said, and uh look forward to getting you back. Elias Coop Gonzalez. Thank you, Rick. Appreciate you, man. Well, folks,

What Your Support Builds Next

SPEAKER_03 24:59

that was fun. We got uh talk to a couple of people there at the National Leadership Congress, have a couple more interviews we might be able to play later in the week, but just wanted you to get a taste of what we were doing at the campus. Uh National Leadership Congress is a special, special time. Of course, we'll do these, as I said at the beginning of the program, all over the country and state capitals. But this one we get to do it on our home turf right there at the Patriot Academy campus and uh gives people a chance to come and visit and see what all's happening there. I had had mentioned, of course, Friday, we did a program specifically about what was happening with regard to the Patriot cottages right next to our main campus. And um thank you, thank you. I I don't know how to thank this audience enough. So many people reached out, several actually sponsored cottages, which is a significant lift. That's a that's a hundred thousand dollar donation. You do get to name the cottage after whichever founding father you choose, which is kind of cool. But uh, but also a lot of you sent in different amounts, um, you know, whatever you could to help with this very, very important effort. And we are getting really, really close. We got, I think, like uh eight or nine more cottages to go. And um, depending on you know the smaller donations, what they add up to, we may not even need to sponsor all of those uh cottages. But I just wanted to give you an update ever since the program aired on on Friday, just over the weekend, so many people step forward. So thank you for that. Patriot Academy.com, anybody else that wants to help with that, uh, but also wanted to just give you a taste of of what you're investing in, getting to hear from a couple of our speakers for the Patriot Academy Leadership Congress, and maybe uh maybe we'll share some of the interviews with some of the students as well. It's been really cool to watch the debate, see them sharpening each other, and see how they've responded to all the amazing speakers, including David and Tim and and uh so many other people that came in from across the country. But we sure appreciate you listening. You've been listening to the Wall Brother Show.