Welcome And Show’s Perspective

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Welcome to the Intersection of Faith and Culture. It's the Wall Builder Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Thanks for joining us. We got Jeremy Dice joining us a little later, going to be talking about some of the movements to restore justice in this country, to actually get back to a place where we call evil evil and good good and uh and not r and not the reverse

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of that. If you really want to understand that and understand the principles that the nation was actually founded upon, the biblical principle of justice, uh, even just war theory, all of those different things, go to wallbuilders.com today. That's a wealth of information available to you there. All kinds of resources and great things you can get for the family and a lot of great things for the upcoming 250th. That's wallbuilders.com. And then go over to wallbuilders.show if you want to catch up on any of the radio programs. By the way, depending on whether you're listening to us on a radio station across the country or on the podcast apps, be sure and share the program with your friends and family. Easy to do on the podcast apps, just hit that share button. Um, just a great way to get them informed as well, whether it's one of our interviews throughout the week or Foundations of Freedom Thursdays or Good News Friday. People need this information. It's a it's your diet of information is so important right now. There's all the black pill people out there trying to depress you about America and tell you everything's lost and everything's bad. Uh, and then there's of course the leftist agenda. You need to get truth, biblical truth, and get the issues of the day from that biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. All of that available right there at wallboulders.show at wallbluders.com. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution Coach here with David Barton, America's premier historian, and Tim Barton, our president and uh pastor. And and by the way, a great speaker. You need to get Tim Barton out to speak. I had to speak across the room from Tim this last weekend. And I think I had six people show up, and 600 went to hear Tim because he's just got the gift. You got to get Tim Barton in. Anyway, Tim, I almost just came over to your to your room. I almost gathered up my little flock, my little ducklings in in in my room, and I almost came over to your room just to I told him, I said, we're gonna go next door and just harass Tim Barton. Is everybody ready? We'll go over, we'll take water balloons, uh, rotten fruit, whatever it takes to go over and make Tim Barton's presentation even more lively. That would have been fun, don't you think?

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Well, I I I you know, we told our friend uh down at the Florida Home School convention uh that it seemed it seemed a little silly that we made our friends compete about who they're gonna go listen to. Uh and Rick, I doubt that there were more people in my room than yours, but if there were, it's only because you've been there so long that they were like, you know what? Tim hadn't been here before. Let's go see what this new kid has to say. Uh and then I'm sure the next session they were all back heavily populating your room. But it it really was so fun being there together, even though we were uh at the the conference together, the convention together, we saw each other very little, kind of like our normal real life. We're running so hard in different directions.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Uh, but it's not often passing in the hallways, literally pass it in the hallways.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

That's exactly it's it's not often we're in the same place. Um, usually I'm having to come down to do some uh constitutional defense training or coming to speak at uh summer, one of the leadership congresses, super fun things I love being part of, but it was really fun being in Florida with you.

Homeschool Convention And Education Reformation

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Hey, you know what was cool too is I think they had 15,000 people. I mean, that's a lot of homes. Now that's maybe only like five homeschool families total. Uh but no, seriously, I mean it was it was um amazing the number of people now that are that are going into homeschooling. It's not just Florida, I mean a lot of these conventions bigger than ever. Um, and then they kind of shrunk for a while because people just after COVID didn't get together, go to conventions, that that kind of thing. Um so it was nice to see the iron sharpening iron that happens when we come together like that, but just such a massive crowd. And then they had a cool graduation for the homeschoolers. They had a dance on Saturday night for them. I mean, it was really cool to see just the thriving, joyful environment in the homeschool community.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

It was. And uh, you know, you've been doing this now a long time, so long that uh not only all your kids done, your grandkids are now starting this journey. Uh for Gabby and I, we have a four and a seven-year-old. And so this is a new journey for us. And I went down to the exhibitor hall and I FaceTime with her, and I was like, You would love to like forget Disney World. We're down by Orlando. She she would rather go to the exhibit hall and look at all of the incredible resources now available for homeschooling.

Why Parents Feel Overwhelmed

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But I say this also with context because there's a lot of families out there that think about homeschooling, and for many people, it still feels overwhelming. And I think part of it's because we've been told by the academic world for so long that you know we have to trust them and they're the experts, and we're not capable and competent enough to educate our own kids, which of course, all of the data and polling shows the exact opposite that kids do better when mom and dad are there and mom and dad are leading on that. However, uh the the overwhelming amount of resources that was there helping parents in their journey homeschooling their kids. Uh I mean, Dad, I know when we were traveling back in the day, uh there there were there was at least three options because I remember, and I don't want to necessarily single them out, although we could, um, but there were three different options because we had a little bit of a shmorgis board. We kind of chose certain subjects or topics from one group or another. Uh, but oh overall, there weren't that many options back in the day, like there are today resources for homeschoolers.

When Homeschooling Could Mean Jail

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Well, Tim, I'm gonna go back further than that. Not just the options, but at the time that we decided to do homeschooling uh was the time when there was a big legal quasi-military standoff in Nebraska uh for a pastor up there who was homeschooling and they came in to shut down his church because he was homeschooling. And so it was to the situation that if you homeschool uh at the time you guys were starting, if you were homeschooling, you were literally looking at jail time. You could be looking at jail time, but literally for homeschooling. So clearly there were not just a whole lot of options for curriculum at that point in time because it was still such a new thing. Now, that's not to say that every single state did that. That's that's not the case, but it is to say that you were thought to be really, really, really strange and weird if you did that. Now, of course, they've made their own ways, like Daniel with the the children um taken in captivity over to Babylon. Let us use our food, you guys use your food, let's see who gets the better results. Well, now homeschooling crushes the other stuff that's out there, so it's no longer the legal controversy it was, but it was a big deal back in that day, and there was not much curriculum, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Yeah, well, Tim already aged me by telling everybody that I got grandkids now that I'm that I'm homeschooling. So I'll tell you, when I was homeschooled, you're exactly right, David. You didn't even answer the front door, man. You wouldn't hit under the bed if the doorbell got rang because you're afraid the whole family's gonna get arrested. So it was it was it was that bad. But Tim's right. You walk into that exhibitor hall, and it's like going to a Disneyland for homeschoolers. There's so much, and it's not just the the materials, it's the it's the coaching, it's the it's the iron sharpness, the people coming alongside you. I saw uh I'm headed to the Texas one this weekend, and they literally provide homeschool coaching. So, like in other words, a homeschool family that's done it forever will turn around and help a new person that's in there just one-on-one, be there to answer the phone and and and chat you through stuff or whatever it might be. I just think it's so cool what we're seeing. It's almost like a new, uh, a new level of of you know, uh, an education reformation in the country with homeschooling leading the way.

Hopeful Legal Wins Before The Break

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Do you guys remember just a few years ago when California was trying to crush all homeschoolers? And they they came up initially, but the the Supreme Court in California ruled that, hey, you have to be a certified teacher to teach. And then they found that homeschool scores were numerous double-digit points higher than all the public school teachers were. The parents without a teaching degree were actually getting better results in their tests than all these trained teachers in California. And the Supreme Court of California reversed itself because the results were so high that they said, Well, we clearly can't shut this down. Tests back in California, still had some brains and still used them, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Well, but guys, this this is just one of the indications of some of the good stuff happening. Uh, Jeremy Dice, our good friend from First Liberty, is gonna be jumping on with us in just a little bit, uh, talking about some of the positive things that are happening, even in the legal landscape. Now, they uh that they identified a bunch of negatives, but we are gonna talk about some of the positive things that are happening. And the the reality is, in the midst of conflict, in the midst of challenges and frustration, there's still a lot of good things happening, and we look at how far homeschooling has come when we look at the fact that at this point we we are seeing a growth in the homeschool community, and then we're seeing victories all over legal landscape. It really is encouraging.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Good stuff, guys. In fact, yeah, I mean the stuff that's uncovered, like you said, Tim, is is really bad. But the good news is the restoration of justice, that that we can get some faith back in these institutions by by holding people accountable for these bad things that that happened. Jeremy Dice over at uh First Liberty will be with us when we come back from the break and he'll be updating us on what's happening over at the Department of Justice. Stay with us. You're listening to the Wild Builder Show.

Leadership Training And Founding Reconciliation

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This is Tim Burden from Wall Builders with another moment from American history. Founding fathers John Adams and Thomas Jefferson originally worked closely together, but later became ardent opponents. This troubled Dr. Benjamin Rush, a signer of the Declaration, who knew both of them very well. In the Bible, 2 Corinthians 5.18 tells us that God has given each of us the ministry of reconciliation. Dr. Rush believed this and set out to bring the two back together. It took a while, but Adams and Jefferson once again became close friends. And looking back on his role in helping bring about this reconciliation, Dr. Rush stated, It will give me pleasure as long as I live to reflect that I have been in any degree instrumental in affecting this reunion of two souls destined to be dear to each other and motivated with the same dispositions to serve their country, though in different ways. For more information about Dr. Benjamin Rush and his other remarkable achievements, go to wallbuilders.com.

Anti-Christian Bias Task Force Report

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Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show. Thanks for staying with us. Jeremy Dice back with us for First Liberty. Always good to have you, man. Thanks for coming on, Jeremy. Okay, thanks for having me. Hey, there's so much coming out now, you know, that that we speculated about or we heard a little bit about. Uh we saw just the uh the weaponization of the DOJ and all that through the uh well, Biden administration, autopit administration, whatever you want to call it. But apparently now uh starting to really get some some evidence on this. What's this this whole thing about the the spying on the pro-life Christians?

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Yeah, look, the the president put into place uh soon after coming into office an executive order that I'll spare you the numbers and all the things that go with it, but it established a commission or a task force, rather, called the Anti-Christian Bias Task Force. And his job that he gave to them was he go back through the various uh agencies in the cabinet and figure out if or whether or how far to what extent did the Biden administration engage in bias towards not just specifically religion writ large, but specifically Christians. How did the government weaponize uh the government's laws and uh enforcement projects and all the things that go with that uh in a way that would discriminate against Christians? Or or maybe they would find out that the uh the administration actually did what they're supposed to do and have that blindfold across Lady Justice's eyes and the sword of her justice sword pointed downward in the indication that there's an inequality under the law here and and justice is blind, right? Well, what they found is actually the opposite of that. And what's come out now is a nearly a thousand-page report that has mountains of evidence in it that suggests that the Biden administration really went out of its way in almost every department in the federal government to be able to work uh discrimination towards people of faith. That was first found with something called the FACE Act, which protected the pro-life, or it's supposed to protect uh any reproductive health care facility, whether you're pro-life or pro-abortion or otherwise. But the Biden administration went out of its way to show favor to its friends on the abortion side of things and really throw the book at pro-life Christians across the country.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

You you hit on something that I I think most Americans, you would think, certainly those in the middle and those that would consider themselves conservative, care deeply about. Just a sense of justice and and you know, blind justice, that we're all going to be treated the same under the law and that it's wrong to go after one side, not the other, and the law should be applied equally. Is that ringing true? You know, when when you guys go out there and you talk to people and and this stuff comes out, is there a sense of of you know what I would call righteous anger that that the system has been turned on only one side?

SPEAKER_03 14:10

Yeah, look, uh everywhere I talk about this and everywhere I hear people engage in on it, yes, they're just sort of mystified by the fact that this would even happen. The mystery sort of turns into frustration and anger soon after. I was in Washington, D.C. recently watching uh this the task force has also produced a documentary, which is going to come out later in the month of May, uh, that is highlighting this entire report, and and cabinet officials and others are making uh their explanations of what's happened. And every example that this documentary shows, you could just hear the crowd groaning and uh sort of grinding their teeth at it all. It's just shocking. But let me give you sort of an example of what we're talking about because this is not any small, these are not small potatoes.

FACE Act Enforcement And Sentencing Gaps

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Uh on the Face Act stuff in particular, where you had pro-life Christians that were protesting peacefully outside of abortion clinics, singing hymns or whatever they might be, they're oftentimes arrested for trespass, released the next day, and all the things. This happens. This is part of the uh the deal with protesting. But the Biden administration took the Face Act and applied it to them in such a strong way that you can only describe it as being having the book thrown at them, right? And one of these people is a pr is a survivor of the Holocaust. And and all of these people, uh, the the Biden administration through the DOJ were recommending maximum sentences in jail, right? I mean, up to 78 months in jail for sitting outside protesting peacefully against the act of abortion. And even when their attorneys went to defend them, they would ask for information from the DOJ, and the DOJ refused to give that information. And on top of all that, we have emails and several emails uh indicating that the uh DOJ officials are joking around about the Catholic judge that was presiding over the affair, that they're questioning whether or not uh jurors should be allowed onto the jury because of their religious beliefs, mocking them in the entire process. Well, you would think at the very minimum this would go both ways, right? Well, because after the Dobbs decision, right, there was a lot of violence across the country. When Roe v. Wade was overturned, the left went crazy about this and started throwing bricks through windows and lighting places on fire, vandalism with spray paint and all the kinds of things like that. And it becomes clear in the report that the Biden administration finally, finally went after some of these vandals, but only after it became completely unignorable. They had to do something with it. And then even then, they only indict a handful of people. Now, we represented one of those clinics in this case, and so I'm familiar with what happened in those situations. And I can tell you what the report confirms that the Biden administration just sort of sat on their hands. Whereas they report they're asking for like 78 months worth of jail time for the peaceful pro-lifers, including the lady that survived the Holocaust and protested in a wheelchair. She's got she's getting the maximum book thrown at her. But these vandals that picked up Kansas spray paint and disabled security systems and things like that against my client, uh, well, they only saw like 14 months worth of jail time for these people. I mean, it's just shocking how one-sided and obviously coordinated this was uh with the Biden administration and groups like Planned Parenthood and others.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

And so not just throwing the book at and trying to ruin the lives of and literally jail, you know, the people that that are peacefully trying to save babies, but on the other side of the coin, the people that are actually violent and actually destroying things, going super easy on them, or in many cases not even prosecuting them. Which it is it is shocking. And I help me to get this in the context of I mean, the this is at the same time, this is the same Biden administration that went in, guns you know, pointed in on kids were at Mark Houck's house at like five in the morning or six in the morning. And I think he said he didn't he just win a a lawsuit uh over all of that. I can't I can't remember if that was the same case, but I mean this is the environment we were in for those four years. That's the type of types of things that they were doing, but it it does seem like we're coming out of that and that there could be some justice. And that's important for getting some faith back in our institutions. I mean, this needs to happen.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Yeah, and this is what I appreciate so much about this report. And one of the situations you're talking about where the pro-lifers are met by a SWAT team, guns pointed at them, and all that. Hey, look, they've been pardoned finally by President uh President Trump, and thank goodness for that. But don't forget, they'd still be rotting away in jail, including the lady who survived the Holocaust and now sits in a wheelchair. She'd have spent the rest of her natural life in jail had the pri president not been elected. So praise God that that's a situation that is no longer the case. But what I like about this report the most is that it turns from sort of like it never turns into this whiny, well, we're upset about this and we're blaming our political opponents for that. It it just matter-of-factly states the problem across a variety of issues. First on the FACE Act and some of the pro-life stuff, but it goes broader than that, even.

Policy Fixes Across Federal Agencies

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Uh, and it says across all these agencies where FEMA's denying churches relief that they're entitled to after a natural disaster. Uh, well, like one of my clients who received the IR, the IRS for welcoming a candidate for the school board to uh tell her story at the church service on Sunday morning. She just walked in one day and they said, Well, tell us about why you're running for office. And then they prayed for her, and the IRS investigated the church for violation of something called the Johnson Amendment, as if they had engaged in some sort of political activity by praying for someone who's running for office.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

So much for freedom of religion and freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and all of those things, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:21

All the things, right? And these again, these are all fact-bound examples uh that are hard to ignore. But then the report turns and says, Well, in light of all the things we've found, here's what we're doing about it. And it starts making adjustments. They report on people that are no longer with the Department of Justice or other agencies that engage in coordinated efforts with groups like Planned Parenthood and others. Uh, but it says, look, we're adopting new policy to make sure this doesn't happen again. We're we're we're making sure that people have the rights as an employee to be able to seek accommodation for their religious beliefs, regardless of what those beliefs are, Christian or otherwise, they've got the right to be able to work here and for us to work with them. This is a case we wanted the Supreme Court of the United States, by the way, that requires this now. And so I'm I'm particularly gratified that the uh the agencies are taking that case, growth versus the joy, and working with people of faith. Um, first in the context of vaccines, where I think there are 22,000 different uh applications for a uh religious accommodation in the military alone, and less than 400 of those were actually granted during the COVID nightmare that we went through because of our clients and the Navy SEALs, we were able to turn those numbers around, and we now are seeing men that were kicked out of our military being welcomed back with open arms by Secretary Hegeseth and others. So it's it's good to see, yes, here's the report, here's the problems, here's what we've found. But now this administration is turning to say, no, this isn't too important. We're putting structures in place to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

It's beautiful, man. It's beautiful. Thank you for highlighting it because I think we have to tell this the story that that's happening in order to restore faith in the institutions. You mentioned I, in fact, I ran into your colleague Mike Barry in the airport the other day, and I just had a a co actually uh a constitution coach, he's one of our constitution coaches, but he's also the father of one of our scholars that just spent a year with us at at Patriot Academy in Constitution City, and he was just bragging on you guys at First Liberty because he was one of the Navy guys that that he wasn't one of the SEALs, but he was he was joined into the suit that you guys had uh that led with the SEALs, and uh was just, man, just so thankful for what First Liberty does. And so here's just another example of how you guys are on the front lines and helping to restore freedom, to restore faith in our institutions. So important. Firstliberty.org is the place to follow these guys and uh contribute and get on their email list so you can keep up with all these cases. Jeremy, we so appreciate y'all, man. Thanks for spending some time with us here on Wall Builders today. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Bart.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

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Accountability And A Pro-Faith Shift

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Jeremy Dice and First Liberty. And of course, First Liberty.org, great organization, great place to support. They're involved in so many different cases out there. And then, of course, helping to hold uh these folks accountable for the evil things that happened during the Biden administration. Guys, that's not the only area of accountability. Man, there's there's a lot of different areas where right now we're seeing stuff uncovered that happened years ago. Um, but it's important not to just sweep that under the rug because it it restores faith in the institutions when we finally hold people accountable. Even if justice is slow, if the wheels of justice really do turn slow, at least they're turning, right? We're finally getting back.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Yeah, and you know, guys, it reminds me uh on Monday, we talked to Colonel Kevin Bourn, who is the guy in the Pentagon working with Pete Hegseth to bring some reconciliation, restoration, restitution to those service members. Rick, like you were talking about, uh mentioned it to Jeremy that you talked with Mike Berry. Um, you had the the gentleman whose daughter was with you from the Navy that was removed from the military for not wanting to take this experimental vaccine. And of course, again, there's so much more information coming out about it now that uh things that largely under the Biden administration they were trying to keep hidden and covered up. But all of this to say that we know that not only is stuff being exposed, but right now we actually have leadership in America that is working to try to make things right. And it's one thing to identify a problem, it's entirely different when you're working to resolve the problem. And uh, you know, guys, it thinking along these lines in my mind right now, when we think about so many of the critical and negative voices out there that are condemning the president and the White House and et cetera, and I'm saying from from the side that was generally thought to be conservative, um, although, you know, when you have guys like Nick Fuentes who uh is now saying he's voting Democrat because he's gonna stop Republicans, etc., you have the Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson's, etc. People that have been been considered thought leaders, uh vocal communicators for conservative basic fundamental common sense ideas, and now there's there's people like like that going a very different direction. It is undermining the reality that we have an administration right now that not only has identified so many of these evils, but is actively working to bring restoration where there had been problems, and that is really good news.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

So, you know, it's interesting. One of the things I've been noticing is that the nation is moving more and more in a pro-religious direction. We we've talked in previous programs uh literally about what's happening with Bible reading and church attendance and stuff going up. It's interesting that there's some voices that are coming out and they're a lot more critical of things they used to support. And you know, whether it's a Candace Owen or whether it's a Tucker Carlson or whatever, they used to be seen as really kind of mainstream conservative, and and and I don't know, but whatever's happening, as spiritual stuff starts to change in the nation, they become more and more critical of of the the leaders who have been helping facilitate that. I mean, you have Trump calling for this national rededication, you have Trump calling for, you know, reading the Bible, and whether it's directly connected or not, who knows? But there's kind of something spiritual going on. There's certainly a pushback going and this and this new kind of wave that's coming toward America that's taking us more back to our roots and and more back to religious practices.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Well, we certainly know that rededication is good. We certainly know that bringing that faith back into the public square is good and and uh and exposing uh a lot of the evil that happened and getting justice for it is also good. Appreciate Jeremy Dice joining us today. Thank you for listening. You've been listening to the Wall Builder Show.