Why This Topic Matters Now

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It's the intersection of faith and culture. Thanks for joining us today on the Wall Builder Show. Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. And Michael Yousuf is going to be joining us a little later. Guy that's been warning about the things we're facing right now with the Islamic invasion of not only America but the rest of the world. Anyway, Michael will be with us a little bit in a little bit, but uh be sure and check out our websites today, wallbuilders.com and wobblers.show. Wobblers.com for all kinds of great history and swag and just lots of cool stuff for the 250th. Make sure you check it out. And then Wobblers.show to catch up on the program if you missed any of the last few weeks or months. David Tim, man, we hadn't had Michael for a while. Um, you know, incredible guy, of course, amazing background in history, and for decades has been talking about this. And we've had him on to talk about it even before it came became such a hot topic. Uh, but just thankful for him being someone from Egypt that can talk about these things.

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Yeah, and that that's what makes him really unique in this. I mean, he's he's quite a scholar anyway. Great church in land. I've spoken there before. It is a really it's it's what you call a mega church for real. But with him being a Christian from Egypt, it's interesting because he's very familiar with Islam, but he also comes from one of the more moderate um Islamic nations where they're they're not the the radical Sharia kind of stuff that's trying to take over the US. They are a Muslim, but it's kind of like United Arab Emirates, UAE. They're they're Muslims, but they're not trying to to do all the the crazy Sharia stuff. So he's got really good experience on the right and wrong side of that from where he grew up and where he lived, having seen that and been in it and been around it. Um so when when he speaks on this issue, he's got a lot of experiences. He's got a new book out now, and it's just at the right time. I mean, we've been talking already in previous programs about how how much the Sharia stuff is starting to sweep America. Progressives are invited it in, they're doing it in universities, it's crazy stuff. Uh, but it's it's not a good thing for the nation, and I think people are recognizing that just based on the grassroots response we're seeing.

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Well, and guys, I mean, Dr. Yusuf doesn't uh doesn't mince words because he recognizes the seriousness of this, and I think that's part of why we've we've gotten the best we are. The church hasn't been willing to to speak up on this enough. But man, I'm seeing a real shift. The pastor conferences I've been going to lately and just hearing the conversations, even not on not necessarily on stage, you you're getting that, but but around the lunch table, pastors are starting to say, man, we can't we can't ignore this subject anymore.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, it's one of the things that is encouraging, guys. But we we've seen a lot of pastors, uh, it it seems like their eyes have been opened to some cultural realities and how there's a major shift against biblical foundations. And really, uh I I mean, Michael has his new book out, uh, the unholy alliance, how progressives and Islam have teamed up really against the rest of America, against Christians specifically. And it's an example of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it's so illogical. We point this out often. It it makes no sense, right? When you have like this move of gays for Palestine, you're like, wait a second, guys, the Palestinians they believe in executing the homosexuals. Like, this is crazy. What are you doing? And it really is short-sighted. It's one of the things we think it's is probably the one of many reasons we can point to it being a spiritual component as well as many other things. But the reason I'm saying all this is there's a lot of pastors that are starting to recognize that there is a very intentional move and push against Christianity in the nation. And this is not necessarily just about saving America, but it is a reality of recognizing that even though, regardless of what nation you live in, there are going to be God-given rights that you possess in those nations. But if you don't live in a nation that politically protects your God-given rights, you don't have the freedom to openly enjoy your God-given rights. You can't go to one of these major Islamic Muslim nations and have the freedom of religion and have the freedom of speech and the freedom of expression, et cetera, in lots of areas. This is one of the things I think a lot of pastors are being awakened to that there is a major spiritual battle for the soul of the nation. And the word of God speaks clearly to all of the issues we're dealing with. So there's a lot of pastors waking up, and Pastor Yousse has been leading the charge on this specific issue for maybe decades.

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Well, Dr. Yusuf with us when we come back.

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Dr. Michael Youssef Joins Us

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Welcome back to the Wallbuilder Show. Thanks for staying with us. So good to have Dr. Michael Yousuf with us. New book, An Unholy Alliance, perfect timing for what's happening in the culture right now, how progressivism brought about an Islamic invasion. Incredible pastor, culture, uh anthropologist, best-selling author. It's been a while since we've had you. Dr. Youssef, good to have you back on Wall Builder, sir. Thanks for your time today.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

Great to be with you, Rick. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Well, you've uh you've obviously warned of the things that we're living through right now in the country. Uh 50 books, you've covered many topics that are um now more in the conscience of uh what what Americans are facing. Uh thank you for being a voice of reason for so many years. What tell us a little bit about the book and the timing and and what you hope it does for for people.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Sure. Um actually my very first book on the subject was in 1982. Wow. And I have been warning America and the West of this day for well over 40 plus years, and uh it it breaks my heart that nobody would listen.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

And uh yeah, this this has been a long time coming, and I have been reading their material, been reading their uh strategies, I've been reading their uh plan of taking over the Western and bringing what they call the third jihad. That's their word, not mine. And I've warned British leaders 20 years ago what they're doing in Britain where the no-go zones and where they're building a spine up and down north and south of the country, then they're gonna get the ribs. And once they get that, they'll choke the country. 85 uh Sharia courts now in England. And uh it it is it it is so sad. And now they're targeting uh specific areas in America. Uh, Patterson, New Jersey now is called uh Little Palestine and uh Dearborn, Michigan, my goodness gracious. And uh, and now of course they're targeting Texas, which is really very disconcerting. And uh and that's why I'm I'm really gonna be focusing on Texas. Chris Tomlin and I will be leading a big event in Houston on uh May nine on uh September 19th, um, uh called Awake Houston. We're trying to uh awake America to realize what we are in the fight of our lives, but we have weapons that are far greater than guns and and and ammunitions, and it's a weapon of prayer and proclamation. And so I'm I'm waking, I'm trying to wake the church up to realize that we cannot sit on the sideline. And what in the book, what I describe is the is the alliance. It's really unholy in many ways because you got the leftists and the progressives with the Islamists. Normally, these two groups will basically be at each other's throat. And as I'm I'm I point out through history, for example, uh in uh in Iran, uh 19 uh uh uh uh '97, the revolution uh against the Shah. It was led by leftists, and they were the voice of the revolution. They were on television night after night, from Hassan Ben Isadr and all prime minister

The Playbook Behind The Alliance

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and a foreign minister. And yet, as soon as the Islamist uh leader comes from Paris, Ayatollah Khumani, he basically beheads and kills all the leftists and uh gets rid of gets rid of them. And this will happen eventually, unf sadly, but uh for the time of the.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

They may not learn from that. Why why why do they seem to repeat that same unholy alliance? And you probably address this in a book, but I do.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

But the the uh you know, from one hand, there's a spiritual blindness they don't really understand, they don't think, they don't that they have they're so blinded with hatred toward Western civilization and Western culture with all of its blessings, uh, and yet it's like a former deputy prime minister of Australia who was interviewing me and I and he said, You mean they are using our democracy to destroy democracy? I said, That's exactly it. That's it, and yeah, and and the leftists think in the similar ways. If you think back in 19 uh in 2005 in Gaza Strip, when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, and Hamas took over, and they said, Oh, democracy, democracy, democracy, one man, one vote. I said, Yes, watch this. One man, one vote, one time. And sure enough, once he got elected, they destroyed their enemies and they destroyed the whole strip for that matter. And we're stuck with with Hamas terrorism.

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Wow, it's it's it's it's a repeating uh uh of the playbook, uh, even of Muhammad himself and the and the way that he convinced groups to to team up with him until he could destroy them. Yeah. Um it it it is I I I know you're sensing the same thing, I'm sure you are, that that there are ears ready to hear finally, and and people are willing to listen to this message, unlike 40 years ago when you started. And I'm just so thankful that you've been faithful to continue and and and to even fine-tune and just keep coming back. Um I what it what is the and a part of what I love about the book is you not only define all these things, you not only go through and give the the history and the and the education on it, you give us action steps. So so I want to spend a little bit of time on that. Like what what do you say to people that are going, well, look, England's losing we're losing England, we're losing Australia, uh, now there's so many here, we're not gonna be able to stop it. What do you say to them about the action steps we can take?

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Well,

What Americans Can Do Next

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just think about this. We have 350 million Americans, the Muslims are only four million. And the other thing that I must point out too before I get to the fact that we as a the Church of Jesus Christ need to rise up, it is that that um uh uh you know four million people are now trying to dominate three hundred and fifty million. And and and the the the the truth is uh it is because we have taken our eyes off the ball. But what I'm calling the Church of Jesus Christ particularly, and of course I call upon the political world to rise up and uh through legislation and stop the Sharia courts from uh coming in and the Sharia communities as they want to build uh an epic city and all the other cities that they'll be trying to build where there'll be no total control, where the outside forces, whether it be uh military or or police, cannot come in. So you have an honor killing and honor beating, and uh the the justice cannot be done. And uh so my my number one uh call upon the church is to start literally rising up and be the church of Jesus Christ in prayer. And and and and and I'm talking this this sometimes this cliche, well we need to pray. No, I'm talking about absolutely determined specific prayer, but prayer by itself cannot be the only thing, but we need to have proclamation. That is, we need to go into the very territories and uh and preach the gospel and proclaim the gospel, not hide from them, but go into their uh places and and uh and and engage the the Muslim neighbors because the truth is, and this is something a lot of people have disagreement about. Not all Muslims are Islamists, but I like to stick with facts. Facts are there are many Muslims, and I know some of them, heads of states, for example, who are not Islamists, and they don't want these Islamists in their country, so they outlawed in Egypt and in Jordan, in uh Kuwait and in Bahrain and in United Arab Emirates and even Saudi Arabia. And so what do they do when they got kicked out of these countries? They go to the West. And the West and then Naivete and and and the walkness think, oh, this is the nice thing to do. Just welcome them and tell them to come in, take over. But we need to be praying, we need to proclamation. We have a key we have a television station 24-7 in 260 million homes in the Arab world for the last 17 years, kingdom set, and we are seeing thousands upon thousands who Muslims are coming to Christ. And so it it it it there is there is a precedent that this can turn the tide, we can have an awakening, we can have a revival, but we need to start with our own hearts as believers is to repent of our own sin and sin of negligence and sin of apathy. We need to to to be proactive and not we we cannot hide and abuse anymore.

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Yeah.

Protecting Kids And Religious Liberty

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Yeah, and and and one of the items that you list on uh in that last chapter on saving our civilization is is protecting young minds. You know, that there there is a concerted concentrated effort for sure uh to convince them that that this is you know uh just being nice or whatever. And and and uh so what what is the what is the strategy?

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I saw a social media uh where a man was telling is standing in front of a school where his children were given Qur'ans and hijab, but when they start distributed, they say, no, no, you can't distribute Bibles. Well, you know, how are you gonna protect the children? How to protect their minds? Uh in England they're forcing conversion on children and having do Islamic prayers in the classrooms. Uh where is the ICLU? I mean, right, right and and and the separation of church and state, or separation uh of religion, uh of Islam from the state. The separation of powers is a concept that is so unique to America, and it is not to the Muslims. There's no separation between uh the law, the the the leader or the caliphate and the and the and the and the people. They all go together. And so that that it's totally contrary, contrary to the Constitution and to the very core of American uh values, and therefore it needs to be fought diligently in the courts and in the in the legislators and and and in the in the in the school boards, which they have some of them have taken over.

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And and and that's the thing is that we we can do the as you pointed out, we greatly outnumber them. We can do the same thing. We can go take those school boards. In fact, I'm I'm gonna be getting involved in my old high school that I used to go to, where they have now done exactly what you're talking about, handing out the hijabs and everything else, and there's some young kids that are standing up and and we're gonna try to try to reverse that school board, but it's going to take action, and and you mentioned that in the book as well, holding government accountable, not just letting these um you know these these runaway liberals who are foolishly, you know, signing their own death warrant. I mean, they're they're just gonna destroy their own movement because as soon as the Muslims are in charge, they're gonna either outlaw everything that those people are for, or uh, you know, could be actual jihad. So it it's um it it the time is now. I mean, there's a critical mass happening, and if we don't stop it now, it's gonna get harder, right?

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Yeah. And even with the leftists, and we need to tell them that they will be the first ones who are gonna be beheaded by the sword, because at least within the sharia, which is really the people say sharia law, but the sharia is the law, Islamic law. Within the sharia, they say if a Christian or a Muslim uh wants to live uh you know in in a Muslim country, uh they can pay jizya or a form of uh punitive uh taxation, but not the non-believers, the the the ones whom they call the people of the book, Jews and Christians. But so these leftists walk, they'll be the first one to go, literally, because they have no no no standing within the sharia. And so even to wake up the non-believers to the realities, to understand the truth, and not be so blinded, uh, as so many of young students in universities have been literally like sheep taken to the slaughter.

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Yeah,

Mecca Versus Medina Explained

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yeah. Uh last thing, do one of the things you teach in the book, but that maybe we can cover in just a few minutes. What is the difference between a Mecca Muslim and a Medina Muslim?

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Well, this is the thing that's very, very important. When I just said a few minutes ago that uh there's uh you know not all Muslims are Islamists. Um and and and the when Muhammad started his w uh uh work, he basically was in Mecca and was persecuted by his own tribe of Quraysh. And so he was uh uh uh uh because they were polotheistic, they're worshiping many gods. And he said, I'm only bringing you the truth about what the Bible said, uh what Moses and Jesus said. There's only one God, worship one God. And thus he's try he he, in a very reconciliatory uh mode, uh and you see that in the Quran, talks about the people of the book, and if you have in doubt, you go and ask them and so forth. But then when he really was kicked out of Mecca and goes to Medina, it's called Yathrap, later on changed to Medina, and uh he becomes strong and had an army, and uh then he's changed his mind. He became uh powerful and he said, Well, I'm not only asking you to follow Moses and Jesus, I need to follow me because I am the third and the final uh revelation of Allah. And so he he garned an army and came and and fought uh the Machians, and then all of a sudden the infidels to be killed and killed, killed, killed jihad, and all these things start supposedly coming from Allah. And you ask them, you say, wait a minute, has God has Allah changed his mind from the days of Mecca to the days of Medina? They come up with this um uh concocted theology called um Nasequa Mansuk, or which it really means is that what came later abrogated what came f early, that that God basically changed his mind. And uh and and what he said later on uh during Muhammad's life was more important and therefore it canceled all the early revelations.

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And and so you point out that you know, sure, there are there are billions of of Mecca phase uh uh uh Muslims, but there are you know over 400 million uh radical Islamists that are in the Medina phase.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Yep. And and I have some Muslim friends in the Middle East, some of them are really uh high up in governments, and we have really leaders. One leader leaned on me back in 2017, was sitting down, and he leaned over and he said, Dr. Yusuf, can you explain to me when we make the Muslim Brotherhood illegal and we kick them out of the country, and uh and and then they go to England and not only receive a welcome mat, but they are given satellite channels from which they fight us and attack us. And I said, I'm sorry, I I have no answer to that, other than foolishness foolishness, and and suicidal, yes, suicidal wish.

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Yes, it's uh it's it's Proverbs twenty seven, twelve. The wise person foresees danger and takes precaution. The simpleton or the fool walks blindly on and suffers the consequences, and that's what we're doing in in those areas. Uh just being pools. Dr.

Awake America Events And Resources

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Yuce, if I kept you longer than than we said we would, thank you so much. Uh listen, folks, the the the book is available. Uh actually, um an unholy alliance, the book you can get it everywhere, Amazon bookstores. Uh, but one more. Time Dr. Youssef, you're gonna be at Houston, you said in September for awake Houston, uh with Chris Tom.

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Smart Financial uh Smart Financial Uh Center. We're having uh uh uh uh Chris uh Tomlin will be leading uh worship for the first 50 minutes or so, and then I'll be speaking about waking up to all of these things. And in fact, uh I'm I'm preaching on that very book uh uh uh on Sunday at uh Preston Wood because Dr. Jack Graham asked me specifically uh not necessarily to bring it bring an expository sermon, but to talk about this issue. So I will be doing that and signing books at the end of the two services, 9, 30, and 11.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

And is the best way to find out about the Houston event and other places you're gonna be, uh microusuf.com, just go to the website there?

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Uh LTW.org leading the way. Okay. Or awakeamerica uh dot com. And uh because we have we've been having these awakeamerica campaign uh uh uh events. Uh we had one in Boston and one in uh DC, and of course we're coming in Houston on the 19th of uh of September, and then we'll be in other arenas in 2027 in Dallas and elsewhere.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Excellent, excellent. Awakeamerica.com and then ltw.org. Dr. Michael Yousuf, so good to have you back, sir. Look forward to having you again.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Pleasure. Thank you, Rick.

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You bet. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

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Final Takeaways And Share Request

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Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show. Thanks for staying with us back with David and Tim Barton now. Thanks to Dr. Michael Youssef for joining us today. And you said, uh, let's see, David, his church is in Atlanta, right? In Georgia, he's in Georgia.

SPEAKER_05 24:47

That's right. He's in Georgia. Yep. But you know, I uh he may have retired because he's talking about all these rallies he's doing on the road now, and that's great. He still may be at the church. I don't know. But it was an awesome church. But you know, I I was really struck by what he was saying about how that that the secular progressives link up with it with Islam as they did with Iran, etc., and then they're the first victims. And then it struck me that's because they don't ever study history. They hate history. They've done everything they can to take it out of courses in in schools across the nation. That's the only course down high school that you don't have an end-of-course test on. You have an end-of-course test on all the STEM stuff and English and language arts, but not on history. And that's the one you need because if you don't have that, you're gonna keep keep being optimistic, and the stuff you're optimistic about never ever works. It never works right. And and they clearly do not understand the history of Islam and Sharia when it takes over and what it does to the intellectual elite, or at least those who consider themselves that, the secular progressive, they're the first victims of this thing. But all that aside, it's time to wake up and make sure we start addressing this in our communities. We've seen an explosion of mosques across the nation. I think Texas now has over four hundred mosques, and a lot of them are in rural areas and in parts of the state that are not around the big blue cities. And this is happening, we're hearing it all over the nation from our legislators. So this is something people need to be aware of, and don't think it's just a minute in Minneapolis where this happens. This is all over the nation.

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So we need to get engaged on this topic. Yeah, you're so right, David. I mean, I don't I don't think there's a community off limits for this. And and it's I think it's like 400 of the big, you know, physical mosques, but then there's another thousand or so that are what we would consider like a home church where they're already beginning in a lot of these in these communities. So, yeah, definitely a huge topic for us. Thank you to Dr. Michael Youssef for being with us today. Encourage you to share with share with your friends and family. Do it on the podcast apps or just go to our website, wobbleders.show, grab that link, and send it out via force multiplier. Thanks for listening to the Wobbler Show.