Rick Green [00:00:07] It's the intersection of faith and culture. Thanks for joining us today on the WallBuilders Show. Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton and Michael Youssef is gonna be joining us a little later. Guy that's been warning about the things we're facing right now with the Islamic invasion of not only America but the rest of the world. Anyway, Michael will be with us in a little bit but be sure and check out our websites today, wallbuilders.com and wallbuilders.show. Wallbuilders.com for all kinds of great history and swag and just lots of cool stuff for the 250th. Make sure you check it out and then wallbuilders.show to catch up on the program, if you missed any of the last few, weeks or months. David, Tim, man, we hadn't had Michael for a while, you know, incredible guy, of course, amazing background in history and for decades has been talking about this. And we've had him on to talk about it even before it came, became such a hot topic, but just thankful for him being someone from Egypt that can talk about these things. 

David Barton [00:00:55] Yeah, and that that's what makes him really unique in this. I mean, he's he's quite a scholar anyway. Great church in Atlanta, I've spoken there before. It is a really, it's it's what you call a megachurch for real. But with him being a Christian from Egypt, it's interesting because he is very familiar with Islam, but he also comes from one of the more moderate Islamic nations where they're not the radical Sharia kind of stuff that's trying to take over the US. They are Muslim but it's kind of like United Arab Emirates, UAE, they're they are Muslims but they're not trying to do all the crazy Sharia stuff. So he's got really good experience on the right and wrong side of that, from where he grew up and where he lived, having seen that and been in it and been around it. So when he speaks on this issue, he's gotta lot of experience. He's got a new book out now, and it's just at the right time. I mean, we've been talking already in previous programs about how much this Sharia is starting to just sweep America. Progressives are invited in, They're doing it in universities. It's crazy stuff. But it's not a good thing for the nation and I think people are recognizing that just based on the grassroots response we're seeing 

Rick Green [00:02:01] Well, and guys, I mean, Dr. Youssef doesn't mince words because he recognizes the seriousness of this, and I think that's part of why we've gotten in the mess we are. The church hasn't been willing to speak up on this enough. But man, I'm seeing a real shift. The pastor conferences I've been going to lately and just hearing the conversations, even not necessarily on stage, you're getting that, but around the lunch table, pastors are starting to say, man, we can't ignore this subject anymore. 

Tim Barton [00:02:24] Yeah, it's one of the things that is encouraging guys. We've seen a lot of pastors it seems like their eyes have been opened to some cultural realities and how there's a major shift against biblical foundations. And really, I mean, Michael has this new book out, The Unholy Alliance, how progressives and Islam have teamed up really against the rest of America against Christians specifically. And it's an example of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it's so illogical. We point this out often. It makes no sense, right? When you have like this move of gaze for Palestine, you're like, wait a second guys, the Palestinians, they believe in executing the homosexuals. Like this is crazy. What are you doing? And it really is short-sighted. It's one of the things we think is probably one of many reasons we can point to it being a spiritual component as well as many other things. But the reason I'm saying all this is there's a lot of pastors that are starting I recognize. That there is a very intentional move and push against Christianity in the nation. And this is not necessarily just about saving America, but it is a reality of recognizing that even though regardless of what nation you live in, there are going to be God given rights that you possess in those nations. But if you don't live in a nation that politically protects your God given rights, you don't have the freedom. To openly enjoy your God-given rights. You can't go to one of these major Islamic Muslim nations and have the freedom of religion, and have freedom of speech, and the freedom of expression, etc. In lots of areas. This is one of the things that a lot of pastors are being awakened to. That there is a major spiritual battle for the soul of the nation. And the word of God speaks clearly to all of the issues we're dealing with. So there's a lot of pastors waking up and Pastor Youssef has been leading the charge on this specific issue for maybe decades. 

Rick Green [00:04:14] Well, Dr. Youssef with us when we come back. Stay with us, folks. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:06:22] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. So good to have Dr. Michael Youssef with us, new book, An Unholy Alliance, perfect timing for what's happening in the culture right now. How Progressivism Brought About an Islamic Invasion. Incredible pastor culture anthropologist, bestselling author. It's been a while since we've had you, Dr. Youssef good to you back on WallBuilders, sir. Thanks for your time today. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:06:44] Great to be with you, Rick. Thank you for having me. 

Rick Green [00:06:47] Well, you've obviously warned of the things that we're living through right now in the country. Fifty books, you've covered many topics that are now more in the conscience of what Americans are facing. Thank you for being a voice of reason for so many years. Well, tell us a little bit about the book and the timing and what you hope it does for people. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:07:07] Sure. Actually, my very first book on the subject was in 1982. And I have been warning America and the West of this day for well over 40 plus years and it breaks my heart that nobody would listen. This has been a long time coming and I've been reading their material, been reading their strategies. I've been reading their  plan of taking over the Western and bringing what they're called the third jihad. That's their word, not mine. And I've warned British leaders 20 years ago, what they doing in Britain where the no-go zones and where they're building a spine up and down, north and south of the country. Then they're going to get the ribs. And once they get that, they'll choke the country, 85 Sharia courts now in England. And, it is so sad that now they're targeting specific areas in America. Patterson, New Jersey now is called Little Palestine, and Dearborn, Michigan, my goodness gracious. And of course, they're targeting Texas, which is really very disconcerting. And that's why I'm really going to be focusing on Texas. Chris Tomlin and I will be leading a big event in Houston on September 19th. Called "Awake Houston". We're trying to awake America to realize what we are in the fight of our lives, but we have weapons that are far greater than guns and ammunitions, and it's a weapon of prayer and proclamation. And so I'm trying to wake the church up to realize that we cannot sit on the sideline. In the book, what I describe is the alliance. It's really unholy in many ways because you got the leftists and the progressives with the Islamists. Normally, these two groups will basically be at each other's throat. And as I point out through history, for example, in Iran, 1977, the revolution against the Shaw. It was led by leftists, and they were the voice of the revolution. They were on television night after night from Hassan Ben Isidr, a prime minister and a foreign minister. And yet, as soon as the Islamist leader comes from Paris, Ayatollah Khomeini, he basically beheads and kills all the leftists and gets rid of them. I know this will happen eventually, sadly, but for the time being... 

Rick Green [00:09:50] Well, why do they not learn from that? Why do they seem to repeat that same unholy alliance? And you probably address this in a book, but... 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:09:58] I do. But from one hand, there's a spiritual blindness. They don't really understand. They don't think. They're so blinded with hatred toward Western civilization and Western culture with all of his blessings, and yet is like a former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia who was interviewing me and he said, you mean they are using our democracy to destroy democracy? I said, that's exactly it. 

Rick Green [00:10:24] That's it, and yeah. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:10:25] And the leftists think in the similar ways. If you think back in 2005, in Gaza Strip, when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, then Hamas took over. And they said, oh, democracy, democracy, democracy, one man, one vote. I said, yes, watch this, one man one vote one time. And sure enough, once they got elected, they destroyed their enemies and they destroyed the whole strip for that matter. And we're stuck with Hamas terrorism. 

Rick Green [00:10:56] Wow, it's, it, it it's a repeating of the playbook even of Muhammad himself and the, and the way that he convinced groups to, to, to team up with him until he could destroy them. It is, I, I know you're sensing the same thing. I'm sure you are that, that there are ears ready to hear finally, and, and people are willing to listen to this message, unlike 40 years ago when you started, and I'm just so thankful that you've been faithful to continue and to even fine tune and just keep coming back. What is the, and part of what I love about the book is you not only define all these things, you not go through and give the history and the education on it, you give us action steps. So, I wanna spend a little bit of time on that. Like what do you say to people that are going, well, England's losing, we're losing England, we're losing Australia, now there's so many here, we're not gonna be able to stop it. What do you to them about the action steps we can take? 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:11:51] Well, just think about this, we have 350 million Americans, the Muslims are only 4 million. And the other thing that I must point out to before I get to the fact that we as the Church of Jesus Christ need to rise up, it is that 4 million people are now trying to dominate 350 million. And the truth is... It is because we have taken our eyes off the ball. But what I'm calling the Church of Jesus Christ particularly, and of course I call upon the political world to rise up and through legislation and stop the Sharia courts from coming in and the Shariah communities as they want to build an epic city and all the other cities that they'll be trying to build, where there'll be no total control. Where the outside forces, whether it would be military or police, cannot come in. So you have an honor killing and honor beating and justice cannot be done. And so my number one call upon the church is to start literally rising up and be the church of Jesus Christ in prayer. And I'm talking, sometimes it's cliche, well, we need to pray. No, I'm talkin' about absolutely determined, specific prayer, but prayer by itself, it cannot be the only thing, but we need have proclamation. That is, we need to go into the very territories and preach the gospel and proclaim the gospel. Not hide from them, but go into their places and engaged the Muslim neighbors, because the truth is, and this is something a lot of people have disagreement about, not all Muslims are Islamists. But I like to stick with facts. Facts are there are many Muslims, and I know some of them, heads of states, for example, who are not Islamists, and they don't want these Islamists in their country. So the outlawed in Egypt, and in Jordan, in Kuwait, and in Bahrain, and in United Arab Emirates and even Saudi Arabia. And so what do they do when they got kicked out of these countries? They go to the West, and the Western, their naivete and the wokeness think, oh, this is a nice thing to do, just welcome them and tell them, come in, take over. But we need to be praying, we need the proclamation. And we have a television station 24-7 in 260 million homes in the Arab world. For the last 17 years, Kingdom Set, and we are seeing thousands upon thousands who are Muslims who are coming to Christ. And so, there is a precedent that this can turn the tide. We can have an awakening, we can have a revival, but we need to start with our own hearts as believers if we repent of our own sin, and sin of negligence and sin apathy. We need to be proactive and not, we cannot hide in the pews anymore. 

Rick Green [00:15:07] Yeah, yeah, and in one of the items that you list on in that last chapter on saving our civilization is protecting young minds You know that there is a concerted, concentrated effort for sure to convince them that that this is you know just being nice or whatever and and so what is the what is strategy? Yeah? 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:15:29] I saw a social media where a man was standing in front of a school where his children were given Qur'ans and hijab, but when they start distributing, they say, no, no you can't distribute Bibles. Well, you know, how are we going to protect the children, how to protect their minds? In England, they're forcing conversion on children and having to do Islamic prayers in the classrooms. Where is the ACLU of it? And the separation of church and state, or separation of religion, of Islam from the state. The separation of powers is a concept that is so unique to America, and it is not to the Muslims. There's no separation between the law, the leader or the caliphate, and the people. They all go together. And so that, it's totally contrary, contrary to the Constitution and to the very core of American values. And therefore, it needs to be fought diligently in the courts and in the legislators and in the school boards, which some of them have taken over. 

Rick Green [00:16:43] And, and that's the thing is that we, we can do the, as you pointed out, we greatly outnumbered them, we could do the same thing. We can go take those school boards. In fact, I'm, I I'm going to be getting involved in my old high school that I used to go to where they have now done exactly what you're talking about, handing out the hijabs and everything else. And there's some young kids that are standing up and, and we're going to try to try, to reverse that school board, but it's going to take action. And you mentioned that in the book as well, holding government accountable, not just letting these, you know, these, these runaway liberals who are foolishly, you know, signing their own death warrant. I mean, they're, they've just got to destroy their own movement. Cause as soon as the Muslims are in charge, they are going to either outlaw everything that those people are for, or you know, could be actual jihad. So, it's, the time is now, I mean there's a critical mass happening and if we don't stop it now, it's going to get harder. Right? 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:17:29] And even with the leftists, and we need to tell them that they will be the first ones who are going to be beheaded by the sword, because at least within the Sharia, which is really, people say Sharia law, but Sharia is the law, Islamic law. Within the Sharia, they say, if a Christian or a Muslim wants to live in a Muslim country, they can pay jizya, or a form of punitive taxation. But not the non-believers, the ones whom they call the people of the book, Jews and Christians. So these leftists, they'll be the first one to go, literally, because they have no standing within the Sharia. And so even to wake up the nonbelievers to the realities, to understand the truth and not be so blinded, as so many of young students in universities have been literally like sheep taken to the slaughter. 

Rick Green [00:18:27] Yeah, yeah. Last thing, one of the things you teach in the book, but that maybe we can cover in just a few minutes. What is the difference between a Mecca Muslim and a Medina Muslim? 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:18:35] Well, this is the thing that's very, very important. When I just said a few minutes ago that not all Muslims are Islamists, and when Muhammad started his work, he basically was in Mecca and was persecuted by his own tribe of Quraysh. And so he was, because they were polar theistic, they're worshiping many gods. And he said, I'm on it, bringing you the truth about what the Bible said, what Moses and Jesus said, there's only one God, worship one God. And thus he in a very reconciliatory mode, and you see that in the Quran, talks about the people of the book and if you have any doubt, you go and ask them and so forth. But then when he really was kicked out of Mecca and goes to Medina, it was called Yathrop later on changed to Medina. And he becomes strong and has an army, and then he's changed his mind. He became powerful and he said, well, I'm not only asking you to follow Moses and Jesus, you need to follow me because I am the third and the final revelation of Allah. And so, he garnered an army and came and fought the Makkians, and then all of a sudden, the infidels will be killed and killed, killed, and all these things start supposedly coming from Allah. And you ask them, you say, wait a minute, has Allah changed his mind from the days of Mecca to the days of Medina? They come up with this concocted theology called Nasik wa Mansuk, which really means is that what came later abrogated what came early. That God basically changed his mind and what he said later on during Muhammad's life was more important and therefore it canceled all the earlier revelations. 

Rick Green [00:20:43] And so you point out that, you know, sure, there are there are billions of of Mecca phase Muslims, but there are, you know, over 400 million radical Islamists that are in the Medina phase. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:20:56] Yep. And I have some Muslim friends in the Middle East. Some of them are really high up in government. Some of are really leaders. One leader leaned on me back in 2017, was sitting down, and he leaned over, and he said, Dr. Youssef, can you explain to me when we make the Muslim Brotherhood illegal, and we kick them out of the country, and then they go to England, and not only receive a welcome mat, but they are given satellite channels from which they fight us and attack us. And I said, I'm sorry, I have no answer to that other than foolishness. 

Rick Green [00:21:33] Foolishness 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:21:33] And suicide. 

Rick Green [00:21:35] Yes, yes 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:21:36] Suicidal wish. 

Rick Green [00:21:39] Yes, it's Proverbs 27:12, the wise person foresees danger and takes precaution. The simpleton, or the fool, walks blindly on and suffers the consequences. And that's what we're doing in those areas, just being fools. Dr. Youssef, I kept you longer than we said we would. Thank you so much. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:21:53] That's alright, absolutely. 

Rick Green [00:21:53] Listen folks, the book is available. Actually, an Unholy Alliance, the books, you can get it everywhere, Amazon, bookstores, but one more time, Dr. Yusof, if you're going to be at Houston, you said in September, for Awake Houston with Chris Tomlin. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:22:04] Yeah, at Smart Financial Center, we're having Chris Tomlin will be leading worship for the first 50 minutes or so, and then I'll be speaking about waking up to all of these things. And in fact, I'm preaching on that very book on Sunday at Prestonwood because Dr. Jack Graham asked me specifically. Not necessarily to bring an expository sermon, but to talk about this issue, so I will be doing that and signing books at the end of the two services, 9.30 and 11. 

Rick Green [00:22:44] And is the best way to find out about the Houston event and other places you're going to be, MichaelYoussef.com? Just go to the website there. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:22:52] Ltw.org. Leading the way or awakeamerica.com and because we've been having these Awake America events, we had one in Boston and one in D.C. And of course we're coming in Houston on the 19th of September and then we'll be in other arenas in 2027 in Dallas and elsewhere. 

Rick Green [00:23:20] Excellent. Awakeamerica.com and then ltw.org. Dr. Michael Youssef. So good to have you back, sir. Look forward to having you again. 

Dr. Michael Youssef [00:23:27] Pleasure. Thank you, Rick. 

Rick Green [00:23:28] You bet. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton. 

Rick Green [00:24:38] Welcome back to The WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Back with David and Tim Barton now. Thanks to Dr. Michael Youssef for joining us today. And you said, let's see David, his church is in Atlanta, right? He's in Georgia? That's right. 

David Barton [00:24:47] He's in Georgia. Yep. But you know, he may have retired because he's talking about all these rallies he's doing on the road now. And that's great. He still made be at the church. I don't know, but it was an awesome church, but you know I was really struck by what he was saying about how that the secular progressives link up with it with Islam as they did with Iran, et cetera, and then they're the first victims. And then it struck me that's because they don't ever study history. They hate history. They've done everything they can to take it out. Courses and schools across the nation, that's the only course now in high school that you don't have an end-of-course test on. You have an end-of course test on all the STEM stuff and the English and language arts, but not on history. And that's one you need because if you don't that, you're going to keep being optimistic and the stuff you're optimistic about never, ever works, it never works right. And they clearly do not understand the history of Islam and Sharia when it takes over and what it does to the intellectual elite or at least those who consider themselves that, the secular progressive, they're the first victims of this thing. But all that aside, it's time to wake up and make sure we start addressing this in our communities. We've seen an explosion of mosques across the nation. I think Texas now has over 400 mosques and a lot of them are rural areas and in parts of the state that are not around the big blue cities. And this is happening. We're hearing it all over the nation from our legislators. So this is something people need to be aware of and don't think it's just in Minneapolis where this happens. This is all over nation. So, we need to get engaged on his topic. 

Rick Green [00:26:16] Yeah, you're so right, David. I mean, I don't, I don't think there's a community off limits for this. And, and it's, I think it's like 400 of the big, you know, physical mosque, but then there's another thousand or so that are what we would consider like a home church where they're already beginning in a lot of these in, in these communities. So yeah, definitely a huge topic for us. Thank you to Dr. Michael Youssef for being with us today. I encourage you to share with, share with your friends and family, do it on the podcast apps, or just go to our website, wallbuilders.show, grab that link and send it out, be a force multiplier. Thanks for listening to the WallBuilders Show.