Pastors, Freedom, And A Crucial Moment

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. Thanks for joining us today on the Wall Builder Show. Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. You can learn more about us at our website, wallbuilders.com. That's wallbuilders.com. And then of course wallbuildershow.show if you need to catch up on any of the radio programs. I'm actually uh traveling out in uh Kansas of all places, so I would have to say I am in Kansas now and uh doing a Liberty Pastors event out here. David and Tim also on the road, and uh we got some DC travels this week. Uh so a lot going on, a lot of good activities happening. And uh guys, it's really encouraging always to see pastors that are willing to come out for this type of event. Of course, Wild Builders does two big pastor events every year in DC, in addition to training pastors around the around the country. But I just love seeing pastors, especially the ones that kind of like a Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg. They weren't involved in the beginning, but boy, they've though they've awakened now and they're getting very involved. So it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yeah, and it's really an important time. I it's an amazing thing. I think we're at a very dangerous place in our history in that we're celebrating 250. We've been here for so long. You just have the assumption that we're going to be here forever. But only if you're in America can you even think like that. Everywhere else in the world, pretty much, um, even in Great Britain, which has been a traditional long nation, I mean, they are undergoing such a change in Great Britain. I think it's appropriate to call them more of Eastern civilization than Western civilization now. They've changed that much. We see even that going with Canada, what's happening in Canada. And so we're sitting here in America and we've just had it so good for so long. We just assume that that's natural and it's not. Uh and so as a result, because we make that assumption, we're not always on guard the way we should be, not always diligent to watch for enemies coming in. And so we've given up a lot of ground in the last eight to ten years to some philosophies that have been used across the world for centuries and have never worked, not even once. And we kind of say, oh, that's interesting. I haven't heard that. Why don't we try that? And it's just not going to work. So I think we're really at a crucial time, and it's important that we have those watchmen on the walls, as pastors are, up there to remind us and to move us in the right direction. And particularly if we lose our spiritual roots, man, we're in we're in real trouble.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

Yeah, one of the things that that we have talked a lot about is you can never make America great again if you don't make her godly again, if you don't restore a biblical foundation. Uh, the founding fathers said freedom only works with the religious and moral people. And they were very clear that religion they're referring to is Christianity, the morals they're referring to, are the things outlined in the Bible. And so this is something that certainly we have to help reinvigorate uh those Christians around us and those pastors. And, you know, we've talked about it many times. There's a lot of pastors waking up, and there's a reason to be encouraged. We think not only is there a revival happening in the nation, it very well could turn into the uh a great awakening that we would love to see, a kind of a reformation move. And in the midst of this, we are we are privileged to work alongside a lot of incredible people. Rick, as you mentioned being there at this pastor's uh summit. So many of our friends are there who are people on the front lines helping equip and educate. And of course, one of our very good friends. We love when we can partner with the Federers at any point. Bill and Michael Federer are incredible people. Um, but you're there with Bill, and he has been trying to help Christians and pastors understand some of the practical realities of the world we are living in. Uh, and so I'm I'm I'm excited to dive in and talk with him for a few minutes.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Well, we're gonna jump in with Bill Federer when we come back from the break. Stay with us, you're listening to the Wall Builder Show.

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SPEAKER_01 4:52

Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show. Thanks for staying with us. I'm still at the Liberty Pastors Event in Wichita, Kansas. And just ran into our good friend Bill Federer. Hey, brother. Hey, Rick, great to be with you. Well, I'm looking forward to getting a couple of days with you here with these Liberty pastors. We're gonna sew in some good stuff into these folks and go back home and preach to their congregations. They're getting a lot of good truth.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Well, it's critical. Um, you know, with these midterms coming up, um, people don't realize that if the the left can if you know, if they pull it out, it's gonna be impeachment of Trump. They're gonna go after his cabinet, they're gonna go after the moms who protest their kids being transitioned as, you know, when they're at a school board meeting, they're gonna go after pro-life Catholics again. It it's most of the world history Christians have been persecuted. We've been the exception, and we need to wake up as many people. Uh you know, when Charlie was on track, Charlie Kirk was on track to get all the young people out to vote, and I I think they did a psyops to deflate all of that energy into conspiracy media and um well it had been a huge shift, especially in young men, right, in in in the 2024 election.

Legalize Apostasy And The Cost Of Leaving

SPEAKER_01 6:01

So he was clearly being very successful uh at at turning that vote. Our our mutual friend Nassar Hassan, you just had him on the phone as we as we were talking and um talk about, you know, persecution of Christians and the silencing of the Christian voice. Sounds like London. Uh I don't want to say London has fallen, uh but let's just say that massive uh defeats in their election last week or m Muslim victories.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Yeah, so for those that are not familiar, um uh Rick Green had myself and Frank Affney and Nassar Hussein, he is a Pakistani in London who converted to Christianity and mentioned it to a friend who went out and said, Don't call me again, and tells everybody he's Christian. And there's security cameras of him on the st walking down the street, and then a car pulls up, they get out with baseball bats, and they're like pummeling him. Yeah. And then the police don't do anything. And then it happens again, and then the they they have the little um, you know, flats that they live in, but you sort of park with a you know, a gate opens and you park your car. They climb over the gate and they throw brick through his car windows and they firebomb his cars and and it's so much that the insurance companies won't give him any insurance. And so he and his family had to flee at 3 a.m. in the morning. This is like Birmingham, England. And so he started a movement called legalize apostasy. Make it legal that you can leave Islam and not get killed.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Yeah, which you know it should be the case with any religion, right? That that that that's isn't that how you tell the difference between a cult and a religion, an actual religion, is that if you leave, that that's okay. You're allowed to. You're choosing to uh to leave. If you if you leave and we're gonna pummel you or kill you, uh that that's not a religion that we would want to have um, you know, prospering in our country.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Yeah, it's a cult activity. It it gives you emotional support when you join and they're all smiles, but if you leave, they ostracize you and in in this gang concept, it's called blood in, blood out. Right? So the MS-13 gang. Uh to join the gang, you gotta kill an innocent person. Wow. And show that you have no conscience. And then to leave the gang, they kill you. Wow. You cannot leave. And so in Islam, if you kill innocent people, you get part of the booty. But if you want to leave Islam, uh they kill you. Wow. It is so basically uh Mohammed um di the the dynamics of it is in Arabia they had gangs. They they called them clans or tribes, but it had this gang-like dynamic to it, and uh and he just promised booty in the next life. And and so imagine if the MS-13 gang simply started calling itself a religion. Right. Right. Like, oh, oh, you're a religion now. Well, I I guess we can let you talk about it. Welcome you in now. Yeah, you can you can take over neighborhoods and have your own vigilante justice and uh sex trafficked nine-year-olds, and uh matter of fact, we can even teach MS-13 in schools. Who give you your own little you know, you can have your own dress, the baggy pants, and the tat, you know. Um that wouldn't make sense. And if you're against MS 13 doing all those things, you're a bigot. Yeah, yeah. If if anybody would protest that you you're a hateful person. Yeah. Um but uh but yeah, so so Nis Nasr Hussein called me on WhatsApp on my way to the conference here. And he said six hundred Muslims just got elected through their they call them counselor positions, but they're like they're state reps basically local uh well we would think of as either a county commissioner or maybe even state rep, state legislator, yeah. And and then he said they have um twenty-five uh Muslim MPs, so there's like six hundred MPs, which would be our our congressmen. Yeah, yeah. And and twenty-five of them are outspoken Muslims. But if he said that if you listen to their speech, they'll give one speech in English saying it's all tolerance and love, right? They'll give a speech to their Muslim audience and say this we're one step closer to taking over England. We're gonna get a majority in the parliament, we're gonna enact Sharia law. And and isn't that true here too, though?

SPEAKER_01 10:00

We've seen the videos of these imams and others essentially saying, you know, we'll we're gonna be peaceful for now, and it's cultural jihad for now, but we will submit them. They ultimately we will take over America, we're gonna take over Congress, we're gonna take over. I mean, they have telegraphed their plans.

A Historical Pattern Of Division Exploited

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Yeah, and and Jack Hibbs at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills was telling me that uh there's a Muslim woman now running for mayor of Los Angeles. Oh wow and he's like if she gets in, it'll be like Mandami on the West Coast. Yeah. And then Steyr, if I'm saying his name correctly, um Tom, maybe Tom Steyer. Oh, Tom Steyer. I did see Jack's video on this. Apparently the Muslims are all supporting him. Yeah, care. This is a designated terrorist group. Terrorist group supporting a candidate for governor openly. This is this billionaire. And so if he gets in, he's gonna be indebted to him. Wow. And um, you know, one of the things I observed in in reading and writing on hit on Islam, there were three Jewish tribes in Medina and they had intertribal warfare. They had like Trump derangement syndrome against each other. And when the Muslims first come in, Muhammad picked on one of the tribes and the other one sort of stood back and said, Ah, they were competition for me. They had to come in, you know. And then I mean it's like high school rivalry of cities in West Texas. It's like I hate that other cities team. And then he picked on the second one, and the big one stood back until the last one standing, he surrounds them and then brings them into the city, chops off their heads. But then you look at Egypt. You had Coptic Christians in Egypt were being persecuted by the Byzantine Christians of Constantinople. And when Amir ibn Alas, the Muslim leader, comes to the borders of Egypt with his cavalry, he says, We'll help you drive out those terrible Byzantine Christians. They're like, Oh, thanks, you know, and though they come in, they take over, and then they cut out the tongues of anybody caught speaking Coptic. And then uh they conquer all of North Africa, and then Spain uh in 7-Eleven uh Tariq lands with 80,000 cavalry, and there's a bunch of kingdoms, Visigothic Christian kingdoms that hate each other. And so we'd pick on one and the other ones would stand back, and you'd pick on another one, the other ones, and so in ten years they conquered all of Spain. And then you look at um in 1400s, the Muslims are surrounding Constantinople, and they have had a thousand years of politics. And the uh last emperor was Constantine XI, and his brother Demetrius felt like he should have been chosen as the last emperor. Of course, they didn't know it was going to be the last. Um but Demetrius goes across the Bosporus, gathers the Muslim hordes, brings them to the walls of Constantinople to try to force his brother Constantine the Eleventh to recognize his claim to royalty.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

So they have been masters throughout history at manipulating and taking advantage of our own internal conflicts, you know, in in terms of Christendom.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

Yeah, and so then you have uh in the early 1500s, the king of France is Francis I. He's captured in a battle by Spain, Charles V. The same Charles V that stood there at trial with Martin Luther. Anyway, so here the king of France is a prisoner of the King of Spain. After a couple concessions, the King of Spain lets him go. Well, Francis I goes directly to the Muslim Sultan, Suleiman the Magnificent, and says, You hate Spain, we hate Spain, let's do a Franco-Ottoman treaty. It goes on for three centuries. And so France is always upgrading the Muslim Ottoman military. Matter of fact, Napoleon was being sent as on an assignment to upgrade the Ottoman artillery and Napoleon's genius was artillery, cannons on wheels. He refused and he resigned from the military. And they finally, you know, shuffled things around and let him stay in and didn't send him over. But think if he saw the war, he he he he understood the danger of doing that. Yeah, yeah. That plus he wanted he knew he wanted his glory. Yeah. But imagine if Napoleon's artillery expertise could have been at the hands of the Ottoman Sultan. And then you fast forward to World War I. You had the Germans siding with the Turks against the British siding with Persia or Iran. In 1908, Persia and uh and England formed the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, better known as BP. I didn't know that. And then the Germans didn't have any oil, so they made a treaty with the Turkey because they had Kirkuk uh oil. And um anyway, but here the Middle East, uh the Persians uh were uh uh Shiite and the the Turks were Sunni. Um but um uh again you have this generations of the French and English not liking each other, now it's being l overlaid over the Middle East. And then even fast forward to the Cold War, and you have um the United States arming and training the Taliban in 1988 uh to fight the uh Soviet Afghan war. So we're arming the very Afghan Taliban to fight those terrible Soviets, and of course the Taliban says, Well, hey, we can do this. Thanks for teaching us that. Now we'll use it against you. Uh yeah. And and then, you know. So so the dynamics in America right now, we have Republicans and Democrats. Yeah. And and the Democrats have the Trump derangements in them. It's like we hate the Republicans so bad, and then the Muslims come along and say, Hey, we'll help you. And they go, Great, reinforcements, all right. And and they're happy to work together with them. Um, but then I was in in South Texas, I was in Sugarland, Texas, and uh Pastor Andy Wood, and he was explaining to me how the Republican Party was reaching out to the Muslims and having, hey, we got some, they'll join our party. And it's like we don't realize that they have their own agenda. They're it's like a pinball, they'll bounce off of either party as long as they can help advance their ultimate goal of Sharia.

Unity, Prayer, And First Principles

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Yeah. Wow, what a warning for us, just all of that history to to recognize the game plan. The question is, will we will we see that blueprint and get and and develop a strategy against it, right? Will we will we unite and uh um with people that that for the most part share our values? Uh like like you're saying, it's like we disagree on some things, or maybe it's the personality. You know, they hate Trump so much, or or we hate their candidates so much that all of a sudden now we're teaming up with people that literally want to kill us uh at the end of the day if if if we don't submit to their tyranny. So what do we do to wake up, Bill? What do we do to respond to that?

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Well, um, I mean, you're you're an expert at it, but the founding fathers on the first Continental Congress opened with prayer. And and you had Anglicans and Presbyterians and, you know, put their differences aside for that moment of unity. Yeah, that that they uh, you know, there was a motion for prayer, and the and the delegate, you know, Rutledge from South Carolina said no, but then Sam Adams stands up and goes, I'm no bigot. I can hear the prayer of any man of piety who at the same time is a friend of our nation. And and so this idea that look, we we need to unite together for the the big things so that we can all have the freedom to continue having our Christian faith. And and so it's this idea that um uh let's let's stop hating people uh and let's try to work together on the big picture of saving our country. It it is really um something that um um you know the when when Charlie Kirk died and certain podcasters sort of got co-opted into a psyops where they were used to sow division. That's right. They did this in America in the 1950s uh with Hollywood. They were the influencers. Yeah. And they actually call it an influence campaign. They would find out who the Hollywood producers, movie producers are, and who their friends are, and who their their friends are, and they would like befriend this friend so they could get on an inner circle to befriend that friend, and then finally they would get at the party with the movie producer, and then then they they would befriend them and seed them with divisive messaging. Vietnam War is bad, capitalists are bad, and they would put it into their movies and it would go to the downline to the those following the influence, and their goal is division. Uh the word diabolical, diabolos, devil, it means to divide. Yeah. I mean, imagine.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

And now they can do it with a TikTok 60-second video instead of a you know multi-million dollar two-hour film.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Yeah, they they found out that AI is six times more effective at getting people to change their views than humans are. They study you and and me and every they study you so much they know everything you do on the internet. Wow. They know how long you're watching a video and that figures out the content.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

They know where your decision matrix is then. What what really triggers you to turn that video off or to watch longer? So what are the things that are driving you, and then they can figure out the right message.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Yeah, we think we're using the internet and the phone for for our purposes. It's just studying us. Yeah. And it's studying what are your pains and your pleasures, what are your fears, what are your desires, and then it can gradually and they're powerful tools. Yeah. I mean, they can convince a boy that he's a girl. Yeah. Wow. I I I listened to one podcast and it was Christian family and their son committed suicide. And they're looking at his chat conversations with this AI, and he's like, Oh, there's multiverses, and and you can go to the one on the other side. I'll just I'll you just pull the trigger and I'll see you on the other side. Wow. And the kid kills himself. And it's this um and so they want to bring division. You know, the feminist movement was div designed by the Soviets to divide men and women. Break up the family. In the 1960s, divide the children against the the parents.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

You know, so it sounds like then we have to figure out what are the most important things that unite us, and then rally people around that. And that and the 250th is a great chance to do that, right? Because we're going back to some of those basic things in the Declaration that that really define what we are as Americans that most people should want to rally around, that there is, you know, truth, that there's life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, all of those things. But we've got a job educating them on that and getting past the derangement syndrome of whatever the personality or our party is.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

I love the one quote from Eisenhower, and he said, recognition of the supreme being is the first, the most basic expression of American history. There it is. Yeah. So, you know, Tower Babel, they're all scattered. What happened? Well, they they gravitated into language groups. That was their commonality. Yeah. And those language groups turned into nations. And so some of the very, very basics is we're speaking the same language, like we're communicating with each other. That's very basic. But here's Eisenhower saying the basic is we believe in a God of the Bible, not an Islamic God, a God of the Bible who what makes us all in his image. He give he gives us rights, and he is not a respecter of persons. Therefore, we'll we're all equal. Yeah. So the purpose of the government is to guarantee to us our creator given rights. Amen. And he's and he's equal. That's the the the common. We gotta start there. That's the lowest common. We gotta start there.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

And and and I'll leave people with a visual as we wrap this up. The uh I was just out at Freedoms Foundation, which Eisenhower helped start just outside of Valley Forge, and they have this big uh monument, and and it's it's the bill of responsibilities and how the system should work. And the very bottom pillar, the biggest one, belief in God. And so you're you're exactly right. Bill, I hear everybody coming out. It's time for us to head in and give some talks to these pastors. Thank you so much for taking a few minutes with me.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Well, Rick, you're the best. I thank God for you, and uh looking forward to being down at at Patriot Academy and the the I tell people uh get your church to get biblical citizenship classes, become a bibli a constitution coach. Thank you. This is something that God is doing through Rick Green and Patriot Academy, and and it's the the answer to turn things around. I love it. I love it. Stay with us, folks.

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SPEAKER_00 23:06

You know one of the real important things that Bill was talking about though I think is pointing out and he really has become such a good grassroots populist on helping explain Islam. And we in America have been so tolerant for so long and we just want to accept religion. But he's right. I mean you were right too Rick. I mean what if you start calling MS-13 gang a religion? Does that suddenly give them protections? They're here to destroy they're here to take the the civilization away turn it in a different direction? Are we going to give them freedom religion just because they call themselves religion? And when you look across the world and across the centuries as Bill just went through and I don't think there's anybody any better at looking at what Islam does to civilizations over the the decades and centuries and millennia than what Bill does and you look at it and I'm just I was reminded of this we've had this thing for the last 20 years of tolerance and we got to get along with each other. And I'll just remind you the Bible Proverbs 813 says the fear of the Lord is to hate evil. You don't tolerate everything and you're not supposed to tolerate evil. If you start tolerating evil you invite it to move in it sits up a house where it is and it'll start producing bad fruit. And so we're in a situation now where we got some really antitical philosophies to our basic Judeo-Christian foundation and as Jesus pointed out a house divided against itself can't stand. And so we we cannot remain a strong nation if we're going to embrace philosophies in the name of religion that are actually political and and even military philosophies it's just not going to work and Bill is so right on that.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Well one of the things too that that he has done such a good job explaining and and really as as Christians we should be strategic where Jesus lamented at one point that how sad it was that the children of the world were more shrewd than the children of light uh where people were challenged that they should be uh as shrewd as a serpent but as as harmless, as innocent as a dove. And and I think one of the things we have to be more wise about this reality that the the Bible tells us a little leaven can leaven the whole loaf. When you let a little bit come in it actually can damage far more than you think or impact far more than you think. And there's a lot of people that think hey it's not really that big of a deal right it doesn't matter if some of these Muslims get elected to to school board, to city council, if they're mayors are just because they have a different ideology and worldview that it's not that impactful. And as Bill pointed out if you look at what's happening right now over in Europe where there's people Muslim individuals saying in English hey we just want to you know peace and let's get along and then and and in speaking to their people they're actually saying we're about to take this whole thing over I think we have to be more wise and recognize what is the agenda that is unfolding before us and certainly with love and uh constitutionally we need to use what we can to oppose some of these efforts to to take over and change the nation when people want to move here not assimilate when they want to project the values that made America what it is we need to stand up we need to say no we need to get involved and push back where we can and certainly grateful for Vulk Better for helping lay this out and explain this to people as daunting as as some of these challenges seem I think one of the things that's really cool is just watching the pieces that that God's bringing together all these different organizations these people locking shields together working together and and realizing that we've got to do like like Bill was talking about instead of being divided actually come together.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

So it's uh it's pretty neat to watch and of course revival at the very heart of that thanks so much for listening today don't forget tomorrow we got Foundations of freedom Thursday you can send your questions into radio at wallboulders.com and then on Friday we'll have a lot of good news coming your way for Good News Friday. You've been listening to the Wall Builder Show