Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. Thanks for joining us today on the WallBuilders Show. Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. You can learn more about us at our website, wallbuilders.com. That's wallbuilders.com and then of course, wallbuilders.show. If you need to catch up on any of the radio programs, I'm actually traveling out in Kansas of all places. So, I would have to say I am in Kansas now and do it a Liberty Pastors event out here, David and Tim also on the road and we got some DC travels this week. So, a lot going on, a lot of good activities happening and guys, it's really encouraging always to see pastors that are willing to come out for this type of event. Of course, WallBuilders does two big pastor events every year in DC, in addition to training pastors around the, around the country. But I just love seeing pastors, especially the ones that kind of like a Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg, they weren't involved in the beginning, but boy, they've, they will awaken now and they're getting very involved. So, it's a good thing. 

David Barton [00:01:01] Yeah, and it's really an important time. It's an amazing thing. I think we're at a very dangerous place in our history in that we're celebrating 250. We've been here for so long. You just have the assumption that we'll gonna be here forever. But only if you're in America can you even think like that everywhere else in the world, pretty much, even in Great Britain, which has been a traditional long nation. I mean, they are undergoing such a change in Great Britain. I think it's appropriate to call them more of Eastern civilization than Western civilization now, they've changed that much. We see even that going with Canada, what's happening in Canada. And so, we're sitting here in America and we've just had it so good for so long. We just assume that that's natural and it's not. And so as a result, because we make that assumption, we're not always on guard the way we should be, not always diligent to watch for enemies coming in. And so, we've given up a lot of ground in the last 8 to 10 years to some philosophies that have been used across the world for centuries and have never worked, not even once. And we kind of say, oh, that's interesting. I haven't heard that. Why don't we try that? And it's just not gonna work. So I think we're really at a crucial time and it's important that we have those watchmen on the walls, as pastors are, up there to remind us and to move us in the right direction. And particularly if we lose our spiritual roots, man, we're in real trouble. 

Tim Barton [00:02:20] Yeah, one of the things that we have talked a lot about is you can never make America great again if you don't make her godly again. If you don't restore a Biblical foundation. The Founding Fathers said freedom only works with the religious and moral people. And they were very clear that religion they're referring to is Christianity. The morals they're referring to are the things outlined in the Bible. And so this is something that certainly we have to help reinvigorate those Christians around us and those pastors. And, you know, we've talked about it many times. There's a lot of pastors waking up and there's a reason to be encouraged. We think not only is there a revival happening in the nation, it very well could turn into the Great Awakening that we would love to see, a kind of a reformation move. And in the midst of this, we are privileged to work alongside a lot of incredible people. Rick, as you mentioned, being there at this Pastor's Summit, so many of our friends are there who are people on the front lines helping equip and educate. And of course, one of our very good friends, we love when we can partner with the Federer's at any point. Bill and Michael Federer are incredible people. But you're there with Bill, and he's been trying to help Christians and pastors understand some of the practical realities of the world we are living in. So, I'm excited to dive in and talk with him for a few minutes. 

Rick Green [00:03:42] Jump in with Bill Federer when we come back from the break. Stay with us. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:04:52] Welcome back to The WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. I'm still at the Liberty Pastors event in Wichita, Kansas, and just ran into our good friend, Bill Federer. Hey, brother. 

Bill Federer [00:05:01] Hey, Rick. Great to be with you. 

Rick Green [00:05:02] Well, I'm looking forward to getting a couple of days with you here with these Liberty Pastors. We're gonna sew in some good stuff into these folks to go back home and preach to their congregations. They're getting a lot of good truth. 

Bill Federer [00:05:14] Well, it's critical, you know, with these midterms coming up, people don't realize that if the left can, if they pull it out, it is going to be impeachment of Trump. They're going to go after his cabinet. They're gonna go after the moms who protest their kids being transitioned as, you know, when they're at a school board meeting, go after pro-life Catholics again. Most of the world's history, Christians have been persecuted. We've been the exception and we need to wake up as many people. You know, when Charlie was on track, Charlie Kirk was on track to get all the young people out to vote. And I think they did a psyops to deflate all of that energy into conspiracy media.

Rick Green [00:05:58]  And well, it had been a huge shift, especially in young men, right, in the 2024 elections. So, he was clearly being very successful at turning that vote. Our mutual friend, Nassar Hassan, you just had him on the phone as we were talking and talk about, you know, persecution of Christians and the silencing of the Christian voice. Sounds like London. I don't want to say London has fallen, but let's just say that massive defeats in their election last week are Muslim victories. 

Bill Federer [00:06:25] Yeah, so for those that are not familiar, Rick Green had myself and Frank Gaffney and Nisar Hussain. He is a Pakistani in London who converted to Christianity and mentioned it to a friend who went out and said, don't call me again, and tells everybody he's Christian. And there's security cameras of him walking down the street, and a car pulls up. They get out with baseball bats and they're pummeling him, and then the police don't do anything and then it happens again. And then they have little, you know, flats that they live in but you sort of park with a, you know, a gate opens and you park your car... They climb over the gate and they throw bricks through his car windows and they fire bomb his car and so much that the insurance companies won't give him any insurance. And so, he and his family had to flee at 3 a.m. In the morning. This is like Birmingham, England. And so, we started a movement called Legalize Apostasy, make it legal that you can leave Islam and not get killed. 

Rick Green [00:07:28] Yeah, which should be the case with any religion, right? Isn't that how you tell the difference between a cult and a religion, an actual religion, is that if you leave, that's okay. You're allowed to, you're choosing to leave. If you leave and we're gonna pummel you or kill you, that's not a religion that we would wanna have, you know, prospering in our country. 

Bill Federer [00:07:48] Yeah, it's a cult activity. It gives you emotional support when you join, and they're all smiles. But as you leave, they ostracize you. And in this gang concept, it is called blood in, blood out, right? So the MS-13 gang. To join the gang, you got to kill an innocent person and show that you have no conscience. And then to leave the gang? They kill you. Wow. You cannot leave. And so, in Islam, if you kill innocent people, you get part of the booty. But if you want to leave Islam, they kill you. So basically, the dynamics of it is in Arabia, they had gangs. They called them clans or tribes, but it had this gang-like dynamic to it. And he just promised booty in the next life. And so, imagine if the MS-13 gangs simply started calling itself a religion. 

Rick Green [00:08:39] Right. 

Bill Federer [00:08:40] Like, oh, you're a religion now. Well, I guess we can let you... 

Rick Green [00:08:43] We have to welcome you in now. 

Bill Federer [00:08:44] Yeah, you can take over neighborhoods and have your own vigilante justice and sex traffic nine-year-olds. And, matter of fact, we can even teach MS-13 in schools. We'll give you your own little...you know, you could have your dress, the baggy pants and the...that wouldn't make sense. 

Rick Green [00:08:59] And if you're against MS- 13 doing all those things, you are a bigot. 

Bill Federer [00:09:02] Yeah, yeah. If anybody would protest that, you know, you're a hateful person. But, yeah, so Nassar Hussein called me on WhatsApp on my way to the conference here. And he said, 600 Muslims just got elected through their...they call them consular positions, but they're like, they're state reps. 

Rick Green [00:09:23] Basically local. Well, we would think of as either a county commissioner or maybe a state rep, state legislator. 

Bill Federer [00:09:28] Yeah. And then he said they have 25 Muslim MPs. So there's like 600. MPs, which would be our congressmen, and 25 of them are outspoken Muslims. But he says that if you listen to their speech, they'll give one speech in English saying it's all tolerance and love. They'll give a speech to their Muslim audience and say, we're one step closer to taking over England. We're gonna get a majority in the parliament. We're going to enact Sharia law. And. 

Rick Green [00:09:59] Isn't that true here, too, though? We've seen the videos of these Imams and others essentially saying, you know, we're going to be peaceful for now. It's culturally hot for now, but we will submit them. Ultimately, we will take over America. We're going to take over Congress. We're gonna take over... I mean, they have telegraphed their plans. 

Bill Federer [00:10:18] Yeah, and Jack Hibbs at Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, was telling me that there's a Muslim woman now running for mayor of Los Angeles. 

Rick Green [00:10:26] Oh, wow. 

Bill Federer [00:10:26] And he's like, if she gets in, it'll be like Mamdani on the West Coast. 

Rick Green [00:10:30] Yeah, yeah. 

Bill Federer [00:10:30] And then Steyer, if I'm saying his name correctly, Tom, maybe Tom. Oh, Tom Steyer. I did see Jack's video on this. Apparently, the Muslims are all supporting him. Yeah, CAIR, this is a designated terrorist group. 

Rick Green [00:10:43] Supporting a candidate for governor openly. 

Bill Federer [00:10:45] This is a Democrat billionaire. And so, if he gets in, he's gonna be indebted to him. Wow. And, you know, one of the things I observed in reading or writing on Islam, there were three Jewish tribes in Medina, and they had inter-tribal warfare. They had like Trump derangement syndrome against each other. And when the Muslims first come in, Muhammad picked on one of tribes, and the other one sort of stood back and said, ah, they were competition for me. They had it coming. You know? And then, I mean, it's like... High school rivalry of the cities in West Texas. He said, I hate that other city's team. And then he picked on the second one, and the big one stood back until the last one standing. He surrounds them and then brings them into the city, chops off their heads. But then you look at Egypt, you had Coptic Christians in Egypt were being persecuted by the Byzantine Christians of Constantinople. And when Amr ibn al-As, the Muslim leader comes to the borders of Egypt with his calvary he says, we'll help you drive out those terrible Byzantine Christians. They're like, oh, thanks. And behold, they come in, they take over and then they cut out the tongues of anybody caught speaking Coptic. And then, they conquer all of North Africa. And then Spain. In 711, Tariq lands with 80,000 cavalries. And there's a bunch of kingdoms, Visigothic Christian kingdoms, that hate each other. And so, he'd pick on one, and the other would stand back. And he'd picked on another one, and the others, and so in 10 years, they conquered all of Spain. And then you look at in 1400s, the Muslims are surrounding Constantinople, and they've had a thousand years of politics. And the last emperor was Constantine XI, and his brother Demetrius felt like he should have been chosen as the last Emperor. Of course, they didn't know it was going to be the last. But Demetrius goes across the Bosporus, gathers the Muslim hordes, brings them to the walls of Constantinople to try to force his brother, Constantine XI, to recognize his claim to royalty.  

Rick Green [00:12:46] So they have been masters throughout history at manipulating and taking advantage of our own internal conflicts, you know, in terms of Christendom. 

Bill Federer [00:12:54] Yeah. And so then you have in the early 1500s, the King of France is Francis I. He's captured in a battle by Spain, Charles V, the same Charles V that stood there in trial with Martin Luther. Anyway, so here the King in France is a prisoner of the King is Spain. After a couple of concessions, the king of Spain lets him go. Well, Francis I goes directly to the Muslim Sultan, Suleiman the Magnificent, and says, you hate Spain. We hate Spain, let's do a Franco-Ottoman treaty. It goes on for three centuries. And so France is always upgrading the Muslim-Ottoman military. Matter of fact, Napoleon was being sent on an assignment to upgrade the Ottoman artillery. And Napoleon's genius was artillery, cannons on wheels. He refused and he resigned from the military. And they finally, you know, shuffled things around and let him stay in and didn't send him over. But think of all... 

Rick Green [00:13:52] He understood the danger. 

Bill Federer [00:13:54] Yeah, yeah, that plus he knew he wanted to do glory. But imagine if Napoleon's artillery expertise could have been at the hands of the Ottoman sultan. And then you fast forward to World War I. You had the German siding with the Turks against the British siding with Persia or Iran. In 1908, Persia and England formed the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, better known as BP. 

Rick Green [00:14:22] I didn't know that. 

Bill Federer [00:14:22] And the Germans didn't have any oil, so they made a treaty with Turkey because they had Kirkuk oil. And anyway, but here, the Middle East, the Persians were Shiite and the Turks were Sunni. But again, you have this generations of the French and English not liking each other. And now it's being overlaid over the Middle East. And then even fast forward to the Cold War. And you have the United States arming and training the Taliban in 1988 to fight the Soviet-Afghan War. So, we're arming the Taliban to fight those terrible Soviets. And of course, the Taliban says, well, hey, we can do this. 

Rick Green [00:15:12] Thanks for teaching us that. Now we'll use it against you. 

Bill Federer [00:15:14] And then, you know, so the dynamics in America right now. We have Republicans and Democrats, and the Democrats have the Trump derangement syndrome. We hate the Republicans so bad, and then the Muslims come along and says, hey, we'll help you. They go, great, reinforcements, all right. And they're happy to work together with them. But then I was in South Texas, I was Sugarland, Texas, and Pastor Andy Wood, and he was explaining to me how the Republican Party was reaching out to the Muslims and having, hey, they'll join our party. And it's like. We don't realize that they have their own agenda. It's like a pinball. They'll bounce off either point as long as they can help advance their ultimate goal of Sharia. 

Rick Green [00:15:55] Wow, what a warning for us, just all of that history to recognize the game plan. The question is, will we see that blueprint and develop a strategy against it, right? Will we unite with people that, for the most part, share our values? Like you're saying, it's like we disagree on some things or maybe it's the personality. They hate Trump so much or we hate their candidate so much that all of a sudden now we're teaming up with people literally wanna kill us. At the end of the day, if we don't submit to their tyranny. So, what do we do to wake up, Bill? What do we to respond to that? 

Bill Federer [00:16:28] Well, I mean, you're an expert at it, but the Founding Fathers on the first Continental Congress opened with prayer. And you had Anglicans and Presbyterians and, you know... 

Rick Green [00:16:39] Put their differences aside for that moment of unity. 

Bill Federer [00:16:41] Yeah, that they... There was a motion for prayer and the delegate, Rutledge from South Carolina said no, but then Sam Adams stands up and he goes, I'm no bigot. I can hear a prayer of any man of piety who at the same time is a friend of our nation. Him. And so this idea that look, we need to unite together for the big things so that we can all have the freedom to continue having our Christian faith. And so it's this idea that let's stop hating people and let's try to work together on the big picture of saving our country. It is really something that, you know, when Charlie Kirk died and certain podcasters sort of got co-opted into a psyops where they were used to sow division. 

Rick Green [00:17:29] That's right. 

Bill Federer [00:17:30] They did this in America in the 1950s with Hollywood. They were the influencers. And they actually call it an influence campaign They would find out who the Hollywood movie producers are and who their friends are, who their friends, and they would befriend this friend so they could get on the inner circle to befriend that friend. And then finally, they would get at the party with the movie producer, and then they would be friend them and seed them with divisive messaging. Vietnam War is bad. Capitalists are bad. And they would put it into their movies, and it would go to the downline to those following the influence. And their goal is division. The word diabolical, diabolos, devil, it means to divide. I mean, imagine. 

Rick Green [00:18:08] And now they can do it with a TikTok 60 second video instead of a, you know, multimillion dollar two-hour film. 

Bill Federer [00:18:14] Yeah, they found out that AI is six times more effective at getting people to change their views than humans are. They study you and me and every, they study you so much. They know everything you do on the internet. They know how long you're watching a video and then figures out the con. 

Rick Green [00:18:31] So they know where your decision matrix is then. What really triggers you to turn that video off or to watch longer? So, what are the things that are driving you and then they can figure out the right message. 

Bill Federer [00:18:41] Yeah, we think we're using the internet and the phone for our purposes. It's just studying us. And it's studying, what are your pains and your pleasures? What are your fears? What are you desires? And then it can gradually, and they're powerful tools. I mean, they can convince a boy that he's a girl. I listened on one podcast, and it was a Christian family and their son committed suicide. And they're looking at his chat conversations with this AI. And he's like, oh, there's multiverses. And you can go to the one on the other side. I'll You just pull the trigger and I'll see you on the other side, and the kid kills himself. And so, they want to bring division. The feminist movement was designed by the Soviets to divide men and women. 

Rick Green [00:19:24] Break up the family. 

Bill Federer [00:19:25] And the 1960s divide the children against the parents, you know. 

Rick Green [00:19:30] So that's like then we have to figure out what are the most important things that unite us and then rally people around that. And the 250 is a great chance to do that, right, because we're going back to some of those basic things in the Declaration that really define what we are as Americans, that most people should want to rally around, that there is truth, that's there's life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, all of those things. But we've got a job educating them on that and getting past the derangement syndrome of whatever the personality of... Or party is. 

Bill Federer [00:20:00] I love the one quote from Eisenhower and he said, recognition of the supreme being is the first, the most basic expression of Americanism. 

Rick Green [00:20:07] There it is. 

Bill Federer [00:20:10] Tower Babel, they're all scattered, what happened? Well, they gravitated into language groups. That was their commonality. And those language groups turned into nations. And so some of the very, very basics is we're speaking the same language, like we're communicating with each other. That's very basic. But here's Eisenhower saying, the basic is we believe in a God of the Bible. Not an Islamic God, a God in the Bible who what? Makes us all in his image. He gives us rights. And He is not a respecter of persons, therefore we're all equal. So the purpose of the government is to guarantee to us our Creator-given right. 

Rick Green [00:20:46] Amen. 

Bill Federer [00:20:47]  That's the common.... That's the lowest common denominator

Rick Green [00:20:50] We got to start there. And I'll leave people with a visual as we wrap this up. I was just out of Freedoms Foundation which Eisenhower helped start just outside of Valley Forge and they have this big monument and it's the Bill of Responsibilities and how the system should work and the very bottom pillar, the biggest one, belief in God. And so you're exactly right. Bill, I hear everybody coming out it's time for us to head in and give some talks of these pastors, thank you so much for taking a few minutes with me. 

Bill Federer [00:21:16] Well, Rick, you're the best. I thank God for you and looking forward to being down at Patriot Academy. And I tell people, get your church to get Biblical Citizenship classes. Become a Constitution Coach. 

Rick Green [00:21:31] Thank you. 

Bill Federer [00:21:31] This is something that God is doing through Rick Green and Patriot Academy, and it's the answer to turn things around. 

Rick Green [00:21:37] I love it, I love. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton. 

Rick Green [00:22:48] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Bill Federer for taking a chance to sit on the couch with me in the lobby of the Marriott Hotel in Wichita, Kansas. I don't know, guys, I haven't done many interviews like that where we actually get to sit face to face. Most of the time our interviews are just over the phone. So it's kind of, kind of nice to be able to sit there with somebody and do the interview and always love talking to Bill. 

David Barton [00:23:06] You know, one of the real important things that Bill was talking about, though, I think is pointing out, and he really has become such a good grassroots populist on helping explain Islam. And, and we in America have been so tolerant for so long and we just want to accept religion, but he's right. I mean, you were right too, Rick. I mean what if you start calling MS 13 gang a religion? That’s suddenly giving them protections? They're here to destroy. They're here to take the civilization away. Turn it in a different direction, are we going to give them freedom of religion just because they call themselves religion? And when you look across the world and across the centuries, as Bill just went through, and I don't think there's anybody any better at looking at what Islam does to civilizations over the decades and centuries and millennia than what Bill does. And you look at it, and I'm just, I was reminded of this, we've had this thing for the last 20 years of tolerance and we've got to get along with each other, and I'll just remind The Bible Proverbs 8:13 says; the fear of the Lord is to hate evil. You don't tolerate everything and you're not supposed to tolerate evil. If you start tolerating evil, you invite it to move in. It sits up a house where it is and it'll start producing bad fruit. And so, we're in a situation now where we got some really antithetical philosophies to our basic Judeo-Christian foundation. And as Jesus pointed out, a house divided against itself can't stand. And so, we cannot remain a strong nation if we're going to embrace philosophies in the name of religion that are actually political and even military philosophies. It's just not gonna work. And Bill is so right on that. 

Tim Barton [00:24:36] One of the things, too, that he has done such a good job explaining, and really as Christians, we should be strategic, where Jesus lamented at one point how sad it was that the children of the world were more shrewd than the children of light, where people were challenged, that they should be as shrewd as a serpent but as harmless, as innocent as a dove. And I think one of the things we have to be more wise about, this reality that the Bible tells us a little leaven can leaven the whole loaf. When you let a little bit come in, it actually can damage far more than you think or impact far more that you think. And there's a lot of people that think, hey, it's not really that big of a deal, right? It doesn't matter if some of these Muslims get elected to school board, to city council, if they're mayors, or just because they have a different ideology and worldview that it's that impactful. And as Bill pointed out, if you look at what's happening right now over in Europe, where there's people, Muslim individuals saying in English, hey, we just want to, you know, peace and let's get along. And then, and, and in speaking to their people, they're actually saying, we're about to take this whole thing over. I think we have to be more wise and recognize what is the agenda that is unfolding before us and certainly with love and constitutionally, we need to use what we can to oppose some of these efforts to take over and change the nation. When people want to move here and not assimilate, when they want to reject the values that made America what it is, we need to stand up. We need say no. We need get involved and push back where we can. And certainly grateful for Bill Federer for helping lay this out and explain this to people. 

Rick Green [00:26:10] Yeah, as daunting as some of these challenges seem, I think one of the things that's really cool is just watching the pieces that God's bringing together. All these different organizations, these people, locking shields together, working together, and realizing that we've gotta do, like Bill was talking about, instead of being divided, actually come together. So, it's pretty neat to watch. And of course, revival at the very heart of that. Thanks so much for listening today. Don't forget tomorrow, we've got Foundations of Freedom Thursday. You can send your questions into radio@wallbuilders.com, and then on Friday we'll have a lot of good news coming your way for Good News Friday. You've been listening to The WallBuilders Show.