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Welcome to the Intersection of Faith and Culture. It's the Wall Builder Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.show. And then, of course, if you have had any trouble finding us, you can get us on any podcast app out there. Go check them out and share them with your friends and family. You know that that little share button looks like a little, almost like an envelope or an arrow on virtually every program. Use it. Use that button and send it out and be a force multiplier. You will help get truth into the hands of as many people as possible. All right, guys, we've got uh Kevin Freeman back with us a little later in the program. I'm actually out in uh Wichita, Kansas at a Liberty Pastors event with him. And so I grabbed him for a quick interview out in the hallway. We'll get an update from him on some of the things happening on transactional gold and just the economic situation. Uh a lot has happened in the last you know few days. I I feel like we've said that uh um almost every program for since Donald Trump took office. Uh, but that's because there's so many good things to talk about and so many developments to talk about. Um what's on top of y'all's mind today?

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Well, guys, I've been up in Boston uh filming uh and uh as we've been uh going around with a film crew and on location in Boston, we have all these permits. It's it's been interesting uh to see some of the interaction. Uh first of all, uh when I was flying up to Boston, there were people behind me in uh the TSA uh line and um the TSA still is uh struggling to some extent with funding and people that have left because they didn't get paid for a long time. And the guy behind me said, Well, we're blaming Trump for this. It's it's Trump's fault that the TSA is not working right. And I just thought, there's so many flaws with that logic. Uh right, you're presuming TSA was working really well in the first place, and I thought, wait a second, and and I I did kind of mutter this. Um, he was with a couple, uh, his wife and his mom, and I thought, I don't want to get into this, you know, with three liberal ladies behind me. So um I let this guy uh make his comments, but uh I just thought who who's the one that's been not voting for the funding in the Senate that that that was not President Trump not voting. That's the Democrats in the Senate anyway, not to digress. Up here in Boston, lots more, very liberal Democrats, and going to some of these locations. We've talked about this before, uh, where at some of the national park locations, some of the people that are working there, not just uh crazy hair and you know, crazy ideology and worldview, there was literally a guy in a dress and makeup, a man, like transvestite dude working at one of these sites in Boston. And I just thought, you know, this is literally why we are here having to film and tell these stories. Because if the people who were here would just tell the truth about this, we wouldn't have to be here trying to reclaim the history that's being rewritten. Uh with a film crew and we were eating lunch yesterday. We sat down for lunch, and one of uh the young men is working a camera and said, Okay, Tim, what are the things that if you could just like go back and make everybody learn, what would be those two things? And I said, Well, based on culture right now, it would be the Christian influence or the influence of Christianity, the Bible pastors in early America, just to see that Christian connection, but then also the reality that America wasn't built on slavery and birthed on slavery, the founding fathers weren't all these racist guys, and he kind of looks at me and I said, Well, let me just give you an example. We just we did some filming talking about Sam Adams. Sam Adams, by the way, never owned slaves, opposed slavery his whole life. Uh John Adams, also in Boston, we talked about him, never owned slaves, fighting against slavery his whole life. I went to the story of John Hancock, where he actually had inherited slaves, but he ended up freeing his slaves. He oasted the equality ball, and this kid just looks at me and goes, I can't believe it. And I said, No, here's what's crazy. I said, get your phone out. Let's let's grok this real quick. Did Sam Adams have slaves or was he opposed to slavery? And it says, Sam Adams never had slaves, was opposed to slavery his whole life. And the kid just goes, I've never heard that. I said, But here's the crazy part what I'm telling you is not even historically debated, it's just not taught because we just did a basic search and and it all came up right there, and it gave him the contrast. He was like, This is crazy because the people here in Boston are running with this prevailing narrative. And I'm saying the people here in Boston, meaning many of the people that are tour guides, they're running with the prevailing narrative, even though a very basic search showed that the prevailing narrative is incorrect. And so, guys, up here in Boston, a lot of things on my mind right now are how sad it is that a lot of what we do is so necessary. Number one, and number two, how easy some of this stuff is to verify that we are saying if people would take the time and look this up, and yet they're not. So that's why I'm up in Boston filming for a TV series coming out in the fall with Jack Kibbs and Real Life Network, uh telling more of the honest story of America.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Tim, I just got back from Montana, and I think a great solution for Boston people is to haul them to Montana and let them live there for a year. They'll get their thinking all straightened out. Um, they'll find out that there's only two genders, there's not 81 genders. Uh, just those country people in Montana have so much common sense and so much outside experience, and you know, the ranches and just the wide open spaces out there. Instead of looking at skyscrapers all day long in Boston, you actually see mountains and trees and things that God made. It is such a different the the the weekend in in Montana, I think I spoke five times, was just so refreshing to be back in Heartland of America, if you will, even though that's way at North Heartland. I can't imagine being in Boston with all the stuff you're having to deal with right now.

SPEAKER_05 6:09

It's it's funny you mentioned that, David, because I did a little tour of Montana last month or month before last. And and and I would rather I would rather be with 150 or 200 people at a Montana group than 5,000 in a big city. I mean, it's just it's just uh it's such a it's such a difference. No offense to all of our people that are listening from the big cities. We love YouTube. Um, but you know, the it it all goes back to that, was it Rush and uh and Jefferson that had the conversation about God made the country, man made the cities, and and just there's just a difference, huge difference. But Tim, to your point about the you know, if they would just teach actual history, you wouldn't have to be up in Boston doing all this filming.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Hey, Rick, I I'm gonna chime in here with a little theology that everybody can question if they want to, but I'll remind you the Tower of Babel was people getting together in one big city, and God said, This don't work, and he dispersed them. And so the changing of languages of the Tower of Babel was to disperse that huge city that they built at that point in time, because God said that's not a good deal. So I, you know, maybe God does prefer the country over the cities, who knows? I'm not going to say that because we got great friends in all these different cities, no question about it. But even going back to the beginning, it was God who said, hey, don't have these really big cities. Get out of here, move away from it. And that's what the language dispersal was, all having different languages so that we'd have to go to different groups and get in different directions and disperse that huge city of Babel.

Why Money Morality Matters

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Well, I love that you're there, uh Tim, and and can't wait to see it. I love the history there in Boston and uh and just thankful that we do get to tell these stories and bring this truth. That's one of the reasons uh I sat down with uh Kevin Freeman at the Liberty Pastors event is just to get back to some of those basics, even in the area of money and and and you know what what is gold and silver versus paper money? And you know, what's the design of what does God mean when he says, you know, the hatred of dishonest weights and measures, that he hates dishonest weights and measures, and then a good government would have that. And of course, we've had Stephen McDowell on to talk about some of these things and Kevin in the past, but just thought we'd get an update on some of those topics. So stay with us, folks. We'll be back with Kevin Freeman here on the Wall Builder Show.

American History Moment On John Wise

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This is Tim Barton from Wall Builders with another moment from American history. In the early 1700s, the Reverend John Weiss preached that all men were created equal, that taxation without representation was tyranny, and that God's preferred form of government was the consent of the government, all of which is language recognizable in the Declaration of Independence. Why? Because in 1772, the Stunts of Liberty, led by founders such as Sam Adams and John Hancock, reprinted and distributed the Reverend Wise's sermons. So four years later, much of the Declaration reflected the language of those sermons by John Wise. In 1926, on the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, President Calvin Coolidge affirmed the thoughts in the Declaration can very largely be traced back to what John Wise was saying. Few today know that the Declaration was so strongly influenced by the Reverend John Wise. For more information on this and other stories, go to wallbuilders.com.

Transactional Gold With Kevin Freeman

SPEAKER_05 9:20

Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show, Kevin Freeman with me. I'm walking through the airport, and there's this guy that looks just like Kevin Freeman. And so I go up and ask for his papers. Turns out it's actually Kevin Freeman, that's right, host of the War Room and author of Pirate Money. Anyway, we're actually going to the exact same event, and here we are at the Liberty Passers.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Yeah, imagine that we're going to the same place and we happen to be on the same area.

SPEAKER_05 9:40

And I had to sit next to you for the whole flight.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

You got upgraded to first class.

SPEAKER_05 9:45

I mean, finally, my I get enough points that my upgrade goes through and I get to sit in first class, and I had to sit next to Kevin Freeman.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

They should charge you extra points?

SPEAKER_05 9:54

I had to listen to economics for an hour.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

You should have to pay extra for that. No, it's great, man. I love doing these. It's longer on the tarmac than it was uh in air.

SPEAKER_05 10:04

Because we're in the big city of Wichita, Kansas, where the airport is so big they couldn't they couldn't handle another plane.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

That's right. That's what That's right. So busy. I didn't know. It's I think it's the top five busiest airports in America. Um maybe. Maybe. I'm not LAX, JFK, DFW, Wichita, Atlanta, and Wichita. Yeah, that's the fifth one.

SPEAKER_05 10:25

It felt like it.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

It felt like O'Hare's in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 10:28

But we're here for a really good reason. Uh we get to do these Liberty Pastor events together three or four or five times a year. And um, just in San Diego a few weeks ago, uh, now in Wichita. And of course, the whole goal is to teach pastors a biblical perspective on issues that they don't typically learn about in seminary, or maybe they've even been told to stay away from. Um, it's always encouraging to me to be here because I get to hear from so many of the other ministries out there that are doing this kind of thing. You realize you're not alone. Um, Paul Blair has been doing this for a while. He brings you in because economics is definitely one that we've shied away from. Uh money supply, all of those things. How many times have you heard a sermon? I mean, have you even heard of people preaching a sermon on money supply and gold?

SPEAKER_03 11:12

And yet, gold is in Genesis chapter two. Right after he creates man from the dust, he sells where the good gold is in the land of Havilah, you know, close to Eden. But gold is in there from Genesis to Revelation. Uh, it is God's money. It's always been God's money. Uh, and the the reality of it is that humans think we can outdo God. And so we created paper money, fiat money, and we'll all agree it's got value. It's kind of like, well, Bitcoin now. We all agree it's got value. The difference is Bitcoin's limited. There's only so many Bitcoin that'll ever be produced. But the printing press does not stop.

SPEAKER_05 11:48

Yeah. Yeah. And we we have a Congress that just loves to use that printing press. Um, of course, one of the things that I I've always loved learning from you, you know, God hates dishonest weights and measures. And that's essentially where we are right now. We're we're we're lying about the value of a dollar and that and that and that paper money we're stealing from people as we continue to devalue it. You've been working for, I guess really in earnest, about three years, really working with legislators, which is fast to be able to get transactional gold passed in so many states in such a short period of time. I mean, you've been talking about it for a lot longer than that, but amazing to me. And honestly, when you and I first started talking about this, I thought, okay, this could take at least 10 years to get this done. Being a former legislator, seeing how long it takes to get big things like this done. Bro, you got it done fast. Oh, the Lord got it done through you. But I mean, you were a machine, you and Marnie.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Unusual times too. When you got a Donald Trump uh and that kind of MAGA atmosphere, people are, hey, look, this isn't working, let's fix it. And and so we have Maha, right? And so it's not working that we're eating this way and the food pyramid's like this, so we're gonna fix it.

SPEAKER_05 12:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

Uh we we're in that environment.

SPEAKER_05 12:53

Yeah, that's true. So it is people have it more of an appetite for big change right now. And but usually the politicians, it's very hard to get them to have an appetite for big change like that. Yet you've got what now? You've got Arkansas, Texas, Florida, I'm from.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Louisiana, Missouri, and Utah. We had to pass it twice in Utah. Yeah. Uh, because the governor vetoed it the first time. And we got it passed in Kansas, and the governor here vetoed it. I wonder if that's why we're in Kansas. I would love to see a Kansas governor that follows what the Bible says. I don't care Republican or Democrat, but but put honest weights and measures. And when you use that phrase, people don't realize money used to be weighed, not counted. And that's really the important thing because it was gold and silver, and you have to weigh it. And if you have a dishonest scale or dishonest weights and measures, then you cheated people. And unfortunately, fiat currency cheats people.

SPEAKER_05 13:48

Yeah. And he and is easy easily manipulated. Uh, whereas gold, you're talking about something that the market's gonna determine what the value of that is at that time, and it doesn't lose value. I haven't seen it go down.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

I mean, in my lifetime, it's just yeah, it it can go down in the short term, but over the long term, if you continue to print money, gold is gonna be more valuable. And I I often carry a$20 gold coin, which is an ounce of gold from 1926, 100 years ago, and a$20 bill printed by the Federal Reserve 100 years ago. Well, you go spend that one ounce of gold today, it's worth you know close to$5,000. The$20 bill is still$20 and doesn't buy near what it did.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

Yeah. Can I have your gold coin? You have it on you? I do not. You're not gonna give it to me even if you have it on you anyway. Um, all right, Kevin. So what do you hope these pastors leave here with? Like what's what's kind of the goal in your mind?

SPEAKER_03 14:37

That that money matters to God, and that we're cheating people, we're violating God's word, and they should be preaching on it. They should be declaring truth from God's word. And it's not just biblical, it's constitutional. Yeah, you know this. Article 1, section 10. You were one of the first people I went to and said, Hey, this is in the Bible. Yeah, uh, not Bible, in the Constitution, in the US Bible. Yeah. Uh and I went to her, I said, Is this real? Talk to David, talk to to Tim Barton and Bill Federer and all that. Oh, that's it, it is absolutely in there. Can we do this? Yeah, you can. A state can make gold and silver coin legal tender in that state.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

This is so outside the box, though. You th you for you to even come up with this and then to be able to make get this much ground, and now we are we are so close to being able to use transactional gold. Like literally take your gold, be able to put it essentially on a credit card that you can go in and buy anything and and it just chips away at whatever your gold store is. So, what what are all the different benefits of that?

SPEAKER_03 15:35

Well, first off, you gotta understand what money is. Money is a unit of account, a store of value, and a means of exchange. It's a good unit of account. I can measure US dollars. I can say, oh, that that shirt costs$50, and I know you know how much it costs in dollars. And it's a good means of exchange. I don't have to exchange my shirt for your hamburger. Uh, we can both price our goods in dollars and we can just exchange dollars instead. But it's a terrible store of value, which means that over time, over 50 years, it's lost 90% of its purchasing power. If you understand that money is those three things and you can make gold work for those three things, like you put gold on store in the Texas bullion depository, yeah, and we agree that I've got an ounce of gold there, I have$5,000 worth of buying power. I could go buy a hundred shirts with that. Or I can buy however many hamburgers. I guess a hamburger used to cost about five bucks. Now it's$15. Right. You can buy so many hamburgers with it. Well, over time, gold has held its value. What this does is it gives the average person a means of holding their money in something that will not get beaten by inflation over the long term. That is democratizing the ownership of gold. Right now, if you want to buy gold, you go to a Costco and you'll buy a one-ounce gold bar and it's gonna cost you about$5,000. Not everybody can do that. Right. Even when you save up$5,000 and you've got it, what are you gonna do with it? You're gonna put it in a safe, you're gonna put it in your gun safe. That's where everybody puts it. That's right. You're gonna put it in your gun safe. How are you gonna spend it? Yeah. But you cannot spend it.

SPEAKER_05 17:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

And that's the problem. And this makes it possible for people to spend it. But it also opens up a super highway of opportunity in that, let's say you have an insurance policy. I I took out a nice insurance policy when I first got married almost 30 years ago. Well, guess what? All of a sudden, Marnie is looking at that and saying, Wow, I wonder if something happened to you, if that would be enough. Well, it seemed like enough 30 years ago when I picked it up. Yeah. But now she's like, is that enough insurance? If it were priced in gold and so many ounces of gold, it would be enough. You can get a home mortgage in price in gold. You can do contracts and agreements priced in gold. Anything money can do, gold and silver can do constitutionally, biblically.

SPEAKER_05 17:47

And that that to me seems like a protection, a hedge against bad policy from the politicians or even just economic things going crazy. What whatever is outside of your control. This essentially allows you to protect your family's wealth in many ways and an easier way to spend it whenever you want to spend it.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

And ultimately, if we go to a personal gold and silver standard, enough of us begin to use it, federal government will eventually they'll say, well, we'll take some taxes and gold and so forth, and we'll move from un uh unrestrained printing of money, which is destroying the economy, to a point where we're operating effectively. And the bottom line is this is a transition opportunity for governments to start treating their citizens honestly. What we've been doing in the past is essentially, well, I I don't have enough money to do that. We don't want to raise taxes, just print more money and we'll borrow more money. What that does is it causes inflation and it really is hurting our economy.

SPEAKER_05 18:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

What we're talking about here is a restraint on the federal government. They can't spend what they don't have.

SPEAKER_05 18:54

I love it. I love it. I love it. Economic War Room is the name of your show. You can get it at patriot you.com, everybody. But where else? You got it on a lot of different. I think uh is Jack Hibbs Jack.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Yeah, we've got it on uh Blaze Television, where Glenn Beck is. Yeah. We have it at economicwarroom.com. We've got it on WVW. We've got like 30 different places it goes.

SPEAKER_05 19:15

Nice. Okay, and then the book Pirate Money, where do you like to send people to get it?

SPEAKER_03 19:19

PirateMoneybook.com or Amazon.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

All right, pirateMoneybook.com. Uh man, I love doing these things with you. Thank you for waging the battle. Thank you for just being able to think outside the box. I mean, to have the vision to be able to do this kind of thing, this is transformational uh for so many people in the near future. But right now, I I just I I love the fact that we have a chance to I I guess what I'm trying to say is people lose hope when they see we elected all these people, but nothing's changed, right? So there are not, and I don't buy into that that nothing's changed. I think this is the most incredible year and a half we've had politically in my lifetime. But in terms of the budget and in terms of the debt and the things that we wanted to see change, we thought, oh, doge and all these things, but it didn't happen. It didn't change. I see so much hope in what you're working on because then it doesn't matter. It matters. But even if they continue down that path, we have a way to protect our families' wealth.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

So well, and the great political body is the state, and then we have a federal government that's the United States. Yeah. But it it it is important for us to get this right at the state level first.

SPEAKER_05 20:22

Yeah, amen. Kevin, thank you, man. Appreciate you coming on. Folks, stay with us. We'll be right back with David and Tim Bartley.

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SPEAKER_05 21:34

Welcome back to the Wallbuilder Show. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Kevin for sitting down with me over at the Liberty Pastors event. By the way, if anybody uh pastors out there, there's so many good opportunities coming up. Wallbuilders are gonna have another uh pastor's trip uh to DC, I think. Guys, that's in September, if I remember right. Wallbuilders.com. Click on events up at the top. Uh it's just nothing like it to be able to be with fellow pastors from across the country and walk through the, you know, literally in the footsteps of of all these great stories. American history throughout the Capitol and just the stories that you'll get, but also updates from members of Congress. But get ready for that one in September. And then Liberty Pastors is going to have a couple more events throughout the year as well. Those are not in a kind of historical site as much as just bringing a lot of great speakers to you and having a great week learning some of those, some of those truths. You can learn more about them at Liberty Pastors.com. So so guys, you know, we we've talked about the transactional gold and and and just you know Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution and money supply and all of those things. I would love to get some comments from y'all on just kind of the state of you know the the fact that we've we've got this massive movement that wants to get the debt down. So many more people talking about that. And and yet with Congress so close, you can't get those big things right now. So that just I guess I'm looking for an encouraging word to not step out of the process just because we haven't accomplished some of those big things. I'm glad to see the victories on transactional gold, as Kevin and I were talking about, uh, but I don't want people to be discouraged by the the debt not, you know, the the the doge things didn't happen and some of those things that we were hoping for. So what do we say to our listeners with regard to that?

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Uh Rick, I'd back up even further than that, because I think a lot of people are kind of ambivalent about gold, silver, etc., what it is, why it's there. They don't really understand it. The price tag is the same on the shirts. It's the buying power, and they don't really understand that. So I want to back up a little bit to something Kevin said. In Genesis 2, 11, and 12, the first metal that is mentioned in the Bible is gold. Gold is the first metal that appears in the Bible. It is significant. The Constitution has that. It goes back even to the time of the pilgrims and the Puritans. It's interesting that John Winthrop or William Bradford, they talked about even that standard back in those early colonies. And they talked about having that fixed monetary standard. And, you know, Kevin pointed out that, well, gold doesn't inflate over time. When we went to paper money in the American Revolution, Thomas Jefferson lost 98% of his wealth because of inflation and depreciation of paper money. When they got off the gold standard in the American Revolution, so guess what? In the Constitution, they say we ain't doing this again. We're going back to gold and silver. Because in the revolution, they experienced it. It crushed Thomas Jefferson. That's why he was not able to free slaves because he was so far in debt as a result of the revolution that he could not free slaves. Virginia law said if you're in debt, you cannot free a slave. So even though he wanted to, he couldn't. He'd been crushed by bad currency, by bad monetary policy. So having put that, let me let me put a uh, if I can, a price tag on this. When Reagan was president, the median price for a house was forty eight thousand dollars. And for a new house, not an existing house, the median price was sixty-four thousand dollars. Now, if you take those same houses today under Trump with our money where it is right now, that forty-eight thousand dollar house at the time of Reagan is now a four hundred and twenty thousand dollar house. Same house today. And that that brand new house that you could get at the time of Reagan that was sixty-four thousand is now five hundred and three thousand dollars. That's how much money we have lost by having paper currency. We're just so used to it, we don't think about it. It's what everybody has, it's what everybody takes to the store, it's what we get paid with when we go to the bank and turn our paycheck in. We don't understand that that is not a good system, which is why the Constitution had put that as the basis. And it was, you know, at the time of Nixon in that era when they went into the getting away from from the the actual fixed gold and silver, and man, inflation has just gone through. And imagine how much more we would own and how much less we would owe if we were in a situation where that we didn't have that paper currency. But Thomas Jefferson, the founding fathers, learned that early on. That's why they got away from it. So little little perspective on what Kev was talking about, and I think that that is a key thing for all of us to understand, and then that way we can put pressure on our legislators. We may have to teach others these principles, but this is really key to being able to keep the money that we make.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

Man, I had not even thought about the paper money thing. You know, I always knew that Jefferson had gone broke. Um, you know, I just I had did not make that connection in incredible. Uh there's so much uh that that if we would just do it the biblical way, we could avoid so much of these, so much of these pains. But hopefully we're learning now and getting that biblical application. Uh each and every one of us have a duty and responsibility to study these things. Share this program with your friends and family so they can learn about it as well. We appreciate you listening. You've been listening to the Wild Boar Show.