SPEAKER_03 0:07

Welcome to the intersection of Faith and Culture. It's the Wall Boulder Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Looking forward to a great week. Hope you enjoy this Monday program. Josh McPherson will be joining us a little later. Fantastic pastor out in the state of Washington, also doing some great things in D.C., working with the faith office and just getting a lot of pastors engaged, but also getting men engaged. We're going to be talking about a cool Father's Day event coming up in the state of Washington. Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. Our website's wallbuilders.com and wallbuilders.show. Don't forget wallbuilders.show. Catch up on any of the previous programs or be the first to access the new program each day right there at wallbuilders.show. David and Tim, looking forward to this great event. And I love seeing men come together in big numbers, you know, harkins back to the old promise keeper days. I think there's a whole new movement coming for men saying, you know what? I want to be a godly man and call out my friends to do the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Yeah, I think somewhere between the uh Great Awakening and the Sons of Liberty and the communities of correspondence, right? Like there's a lot of stuff happening right now, guys. It's so exciting. And you know, we we have talked about it a lot internally. We've talked about it some on our radio show and podcast. Is God is doing some really cool things right now. God is opening a lot of doors that that all of us have been able to do things uh at the White House. In fact, often uh we're getting texts and phone calls from people in the administration. Um, hey, who are uh the people who have stories we should tell? Who are the people we should highlight, etc.? Hey, uh, what is some good wording on this? Even uh, even some things coming up very soon, which we will wait until after it happens to tell more about it, just so uh we don't reveal anything before we should. But God is God is doing some really cool things, and the fact that we could be part of any of it's super exciting, but then it really does seem like God is bringing a coalition together of some like-minded people that really that we love God, we love our nation, we care about our families, and God has allowed us to kind of coalesce for something quite significant. And so when I I jokingly said uh some combination of the first great awakening and the Sons of Liberty, really it's kind of how it feels on some level, and recognizing that God is on the move, it's just so fun that we get to play a part in it.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Yeah, I think I think David just think promise keepers with tricorn hats. That's what we have going on here. Yeah. Um, and and and maybe muskets, I don't know. Uh, but but it is, it's it's like a it's like a muscular um Christianity coming back in a in a in a purposeful, like patriotic way, uh, which of course scares the leftists to death. Oh, you you know, they'll probably come up with some new name. You know, what is what what would you say? Uh Christian patriotic nationalist. I don't know. I don't know. They'll come up with some horrible name for us, but uh, but it's exciting to see, and we need it. This is this is what it takes for an awakening in the country.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Yeah, and you know, it's really kind of interesting. We've talked before over recent months about how that even in church right now, uh the attendance of young men at church is much higher than the attendance of young women. And that's an interesting phenomenon when you start having uh men show leadership in different ways in different areas. And so the fact that Josh has focused on this and the fact that there are so many men that want to gather and want to gather in this kind of a patriotic, uh pro-America, God-protecting way, I I think that's a really good sign in a lot of ways. And and again, I'm you know, it's not that we don't want ladies involved too. We do, but it's always been easier to get ladies involved than it was to get men involved. And that this is something different this time, and I think that's a whole lot healthier um for leadership in the nation for these guys to be willing to stand up and come together in such a way. So I I'm really looking forward to the event. I'm glad he's doing it. Um, and he's doing it in a part of the country where we're not used to seeing these kind of events. I mean, it might be one thing to have something in Tennessee or in Texas or in Oklahoma, but to have something in Washington State where you have so many men gathering at one time for such a good purpose, that's also kind of unusual. So I think there's a lot of good things going with this. It's gonna be very, very cool.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

We'll get some details from Josh when we come back. Stay with us. Quick break. You're listening to the Wall Builder Show.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

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SPEAKER_03 5:28

Welcome back to the Wallbuilder Show. Thanks for staying with us. My friend Josh McPherson, pastor out in Washington State with me. I am so pumped about your conference. You've already got a lot going on, but this conference and and just how fast it's all come together. Uh love what you're doing with Stronger Man Nation. Uh obviously Gray City Church just being a beacon in the Northwest. And I'm with I'm with you and Adam, man. We're not giving up on Washington State. We're gonna take Washington State back, and this rise of the statesman is gonna be more than just Washington State, it's gonna be for the whole country. So, brother, thanks for spending some time with me today to talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

Dude, my honor to be here.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

Thanks for having me, bro. Well, rise of the statesman. I I wanted so bad to be there. Can I just tell you what happened? The reason I'm not gonna be there. Yeah. So Nick Friedas.

SPEAKER_04 6:11

Well, I'll start by saying it's not your fault because this thing has come together like in the last like six weeks. So it's not like we gave guys a lot of lead time on this.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

So here's the truth of the matter. Nick Friedis, John Lovell, and Chad Roboshow got together and they said, you know, physically we're gonna suffer by comparison if Rick Green is there. It's just not gonna be good for us. We'll not look as manly. And then and then David and Tim Barton got together and said, you know, intellectually, we're gonna we're gonna suffer. And so these guys conspired to make sure that I was I was booked in Ohio and Dallas uh that weekend. So it's their fault. Ah. So just blame all of them.

SPEAKER_04 6:49

We're gonna do it again.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

It won't be your last shot.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Hey, seriously, look at all these guys. I'm looking at the picture and I'm going, oh my gosh, this is the best man conference I've ever seen in my life.

Why The Gorge And George

SPEAKER_03 6:59

You got uh you got Nate Chat's line, you got uh you got David Tim Barr, Eric Metaxis, he's the other one that intellectually would suffer if I was there. Because I say everything that Eric says with less syllables. It's it's it's much easier in country boy language. So, Josh, I mean, seriously, you've got a an incredible lineup. It's gonna be amazing. We get the location. Tell us about that. That's gonna be incredible.

SPEAKER_04 7:20

Well, it's insane. The venue is incredible. The story behind the venue is kind of fun. I've been I've been sharing it with guys. Uh, we realized uh 251 years ago on June 19th, George Washington signed the commission papers to make him the general of the Continental Army, which is significant in our story for the nation. Yeah. Uh and and we realized as we were planning this, we're like, guys, guys, look what date our conference starts. It starts on June 19th, the Father's Day weekend. 251 years to the day that General Washington signed the commission papers to lead the Continental Army to win our freedom. And we were all excited. And and then one of one of my guys was like, dude, what town is the is the Gorge Amphitheater built in again? And we looked it up. They built the Gorge Amphitheater in a little town called George Washington. No, so like it's it's destiny, man. It's destiny. So it's this incredible outdoor venue, the Gorge Amphitheater, it seats like 20,000 guys. We're not sure how many guys are gonna come. I mean, we want a lot of guys to come, but it's this massive outdoor theater. It looks out over the Columbia River, beautiful venue, 8,000 campsites. It's an adventure. And so some guys are like, I don't know how I'm gonna find it. I'm like, hey, if like beta male, drunk, high dudes can find Burning Man, you can find the Gorgy Amphitheater. You know what I mean? You can if if they can figure out where to go to Coachella, you can you can get there. So picture like an adventure, bring your dads, your sons, your brothers, your buddies, and camp out, grab a hotel. It's gonna be two days of just barbecue trucks, flags of America, and freedom, baby.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Wow. Oh man, it's gonna be incredible. And you're not gonna be there. Man, I'm just sitting over here, just I'm in pain, bro. What else could you possibly need now? Toledo, Ohio. What?

unknown 9:04

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_02 9:04

I mean, how much worse can he get from me? You got the raw into that deal, bro. You got the raw into that deal. Well, tell me what you hope guys leave with.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

I mean, because this is gonna this is gonna be inspirational. The guys you got lined up to speak, the music, the I mean, you got Crowder. You got you, this is gonna be incredible. So, what what's kind of your prayer? What's the Lord laid on your heart that you're hoping these guys drive away with?

SPEAKER_04 9:27

Well, there's a lot there. The guys can check out uh freamcon26.com. I I've written a bunch there, but um, more than an event, it's a summoning. We're calling men back to the foundations that our founders laid and really unpacking this idea of statesman. It started honestly with uh something my dad taught me when I was young, you know, leave it better than you found it, whether it's your bedroom, a car you borrowed, or whatever. It's just been bothering me, bro, and I know this is part of your heart, it's been bothering me for for a few years now that like history could tell the story of our nation getting exponentially objectively worse. And then if they asked the question, okay, who was alive during that time? Was it was that when Josh was alive? Oof. Was that when Josh was a pastor? You know, and I was like, gosh, it just just it just unsettled me that I would I would be alive during the day when we lost our nation's values, we lost our nation's foundation, we lost the our sons. And so it's just I want to do everything in my power, bro, just like you're doing, to use whatever influence and energy and time God's given me to move the heart of men, to stand up, to show up to stand up, to speak up, to to preserve the vision of our nation as an experiment of freedom, the greatest experiment of freedom in the nation, I believe, which it leads to all sorts of conversations. Like, well, are you arguing for a theocracy? And this is probably not for this time, but bro, I think we got to do better thinking in relationship to what our nation was actually intended to be. I believe our nation was the founder's attempt at a theocratic expression from Old Testament roots in a New Testament context, a new covenant era, because every nation, brother, at some point has theocratic roots. You're the laws you make and the morals that you promote and the ideologies that you endeavor to uphold or live by have their root in some form of worldview that has a God.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Yeah, somebody's morals are gonna drive the whole thing. You you nobody makes these decisions in a vacuum, nobody legislates or governs. I don't care if they're a king or a president or a legislator or whatever, in a vacuum. There's some some moral system that that's influencing that. You just ascribe to, I think, the whole parable, the talents. I don't want to be told I was a wicked and slothful servant when I had it within my influence or power or freedom or tools or whatever to to to have some impact on on the course and culture of the nation. Man, I want to hear well done, that good and faithful servant. Look at how the country changed because you guys got together at the gorge and and and you know uh motivated and inspired 10,000 guys to go back home and start brush fires of liberty in their community. That's what I see happening as a result of this.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

Absolutely. And one of the one of the plays of the enemy is isolation, is we're not able to find each other. We think we're alone. We think the only ones that that hold these values. And so there's there's one part inspiration to the weekend, there's another part instruction, and then there's another part call to action. This is not an event to attend, this is a summons to answer, this is a this is a call to respond to. And I've never read a book or gone to a conference that's unpacked the idea of statesmanship. And for me, you know, the Christian nationals, blah, blah, blah, all the scare tactics they use. What if we reframe the conversation away from Christian nationalism, which by the way, I've I've got no problem with. I'm a Christian, I love my nation, so sorry. But but but but move the conversation towards no, no, God's called all men to be statesmen. Yes, either to be statesmen right now or to be in preparation for statesmen, so they're reading widely, they're working hard, they're gaining life experience so that when they get to that season of life, they can fulfill the command of God to love God and their neighbor by doing it at the level of statesmen so they can love as many neighbors as possible. So we're gonna, like I say, you've already noticed or noted the speaker lineup. I'm asking all these men from Eric Mataxis to Dave Barton and Tim Barton and uh Mark Driscoll and Nate Shatslein and Russell Johnson and Graham Allen and Nick uh Freitas and Josh Howerton and on down the line, Ryan Viscani, all these guys, I'm asking them to take a different slice of statesman. So Eric is gonna take the historical perspective, then we're gonna do the biblical and the theological perspective, and then the personal perspective, the cultural perspective, uh, the ecclesiological perspective, the pastoral perspective on statesmanship. And and I think it's gonna be a definitive, I'm praying that it's a definitive moment in our nation in in this moment of destiny in our 200th anniversary, where and we're praying it's the largest gathering of Christian men in the country uh uh on this year, on this special year. Yeah, who knows, right? We just it just popped the service five weeks ago. I had the idea six weeks ago. So, bro, this isn't this isn't just run. This is 18 months. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is this is totally insane. It it shouldn't work at all. Yeah. And we just popped registration last week. A thousand guys already signed up. It's growing and building, and so uh we think it's gonna be an incredible time. We're got men are called up into the the noble role of statesmanship while we're celebrating our nation's freedom. Bro, we're working with this may not happen. I shouldn't even say this. We're trying to get like a Navy jet flyover to kick those things off. I mean, bro, we're gonna be it's just gonna be full Americana. If you're looking for a way to celebrate this year, bro, this is a place. Make it be the most memorable Father's Day weekend of your son's life, of your life, get to the gorge, we're gonna party.

From Inspiration To Action Plans

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Bro, it it I tell you what, it it almost sounds like even like a weekend boot camp. Like you're gonna you're gonna leave there so equipped to go do something, not just get like you said, it's not just inspiration. We need that, and you're gonna get that, but it's not gonna be just a rally too. That happens way too often in our movement. Everybody gets excited, has a rally, feels good, goes home, does nothing. That's not what you're talking about here.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

No, what we have we have so we're in a very deep blue state. We're inviting every guy we can from Washington and around in our blue states because we're working on building out. You've been a part of talking with Pastor Adam, I know. We're working on a plan to flip these states. You've done work with for Liberty and Justice, I know. We're gonna be rolling that out as well. We're gonna give men a plan. Because most guys think like but hope isn't a plan. But hope comes from having a plan. Yeah. And so we're gonna give guys plans. For guys come from a red state, come to the future and hear stories of where your state could go if you don't step into the role of statesman, stand, defend, and preserve what you have. And for guys in blue states, if you're discouraged, if you're frustrated with the demonic legislation that's that's just choking the life out of families and small businesses and your communities, come and get a plan. Because I believe what God's given us is a divine strategy. I've been in DC quite a bit this year, talking to pastors, walking them through this plan. And what I'm seeing is pastors waking up to the reality of the responsibility they have to activate the church to be engaged as salt and light at every sphere of society, including the political realm. And bro, I just think from the main stage to the breakout sessions, uh from boys to young men to youth to college students to adults to dads to businessmen, there's gonna be something for everyone. And my deepest desire is guys come away with a plan. Because if you just have hope and inspiration with no plan, that won't last very long. But if guys have an action plan, both personally with their family, with their church, and with their community, bro, we could unleash something significant. So I'm praying, I've been saying this, and I hope this isn't hyperbole, and I don't mean to overstate my case, but I'm praying that if we have a nation in 100 years, and that's not a given, and you know that more than most because if you're you're such a student of history, if we have a nation in 100 years, I'm praying they won't be able to tell the story of that Christian nation without telling the story of FreedomCon 2026. So that's what we're shooting for, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

I love it. Freedomcon26.com. Freedomcon26.com. Now I know this is gonna be tough for people. This is gonna be a really tough decision. You have to decide between me in Toledo, Ohio, or Josh McPherson, Eric Metaxas, John Lovell, Russell Johnson, Josh Howerton, Graham Allen, Chad Roboshow, Nate Chastline, Mark Driscoll, Tim Barton, David Barton, Adam James. I mean, the list of Crowder. The list goes on and on and on. So that's your choice. I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna absolutely bail on my events that I'm committed to and contracted to for that week. Bring them all with you, man.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

Bring them all with you.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

Hey, Josh, you're doing an amazing job, brother. We love you. We're excited about this event. We'll be talking it up everywhere, encouraging all our constitution coaches, all the guys, like you said, what a Father's Day weekend, what a bonding experience with your sons and with these other men from around the country. FreedomCon26.com. Appreciate you, man. Keep up the great work.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

Dude, honored to be here. Thanks for everything you do. You've been deeply encouraging our church. They got a they got a constitutional group going on Monday night. So you're nice. You're discipling lots of folks in my church, and I'm very grateful, sir, for your work.

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Final Invites And Why It Matters

SPEAKER_03 17:59

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SPEAKER_00 19:35

I'm not sure the guys that live in Toledo think you're stuck there.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

You're right. I know. I'm afraid some of the people that are hosting this event are listening, and I feel bad about that. No, I don't. No, I don't. They should cancel and we should all go to Washington. No, we're gonna, it's actually gonna be a 250th event, so we're gonna have a great time there. Obviously, we need to be spreading out all over the country, so that's good. Uh, but man, I'm so jealous because so many of our friends are gonna be. I think Tim's probably gonna set up a cage. He's probably gonna have an octagon and uh be doing some jujitsu with Chad and Nick and John and all the guys I was picking on earlier. That's that's gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Yeah, well, if I could watch from the side, I will set up the cage to watch them fight. I'm not sure I want any part of those guys in real life, but uh, you know, Rick, I I also appreciate your generosity acknowledging uh that if you were there, we would just be dwarfed by your intellect and your masculinity, your muscle. But but honestly, so much fun saying that. I I was chuckling, um, thinking, you know what? Like, I I don't know of many events that I I could go to where at the end of the like a Christian event like this, where at the end of the event, I feel like if I tested my testosterone before and after, like my testosterone has arisen in this event because of the people we're around. Um something really special.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Okay, I wasn't entirely honest, Tim. I I was actually thinking about how Chad greeted you at the last event we all did together, you know, with with essentially a a takedown and you guys wrestling on the ground. And then John Lovell and Nick made these hilarious videos about my historian can beat up your historian. Um and and that so I was actually I couldn't be honest with Josh. I couldn't tell him I'm not there because I'm afraid I'm gonna get tackled by one of these guys, and and I don't even know enough to put up a defense. So I had to I had to be you know put up some man card stuff there.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Well, yes, I you know we don't want them to collar flower our ears too bad. Um but you know again with all this being said, what's what's awesome about this, we we we kind of joked a little beforehand about it being something like a promise keepers, which and this is in no way disparaging to promise keepers what they were, what they've done, what they're trying to even do now. But the fact that Josh, as he said very strategically, this is not just an inspirational or educational thing. We need some significant action steps, and not just in a spiritual sense, but practically we should be engaging in this culture. And so the fact that you're gonna be with some brilliant thinkers, but also some legitimate tacticians, some military spec op guys who are like, Hey, let's. Think through this battle plan. Let's have a strategy. How do we enact what we're doing? And this is something that you know we're so excited to be a part of, but also so excited that there's going to be some real takeaway things, engagement action steps. And you know, some of it'll be like he kind of mentioned their church is doing their simple things. Like it's not hard to have start a class and do a biblical citizenship class or constitutional live or some of those things. Uh, even what what Nate Schatzlein has done with for Liberty and Justice, and and have a church start one of those chapters. There's a lot of steps that even though will require some activity, aren't that hard. But then one of the things that we know that there's a guy from their church who is running for state rep because they realize we don't have a good state rep and and we don't have a good candidate. What do we do? Let's find somebody from our church and let's have that guy run. There's a lot of things that I think are going to come from this that will be beneficial. And so I would encourage, man, if anybody can come and be there, you're not going to find a much better group of guys anywhere. Although, as you said, there's a lot of events happening. And one of the really great and challenging things at the same time of this year is how many good things are going on. It's great, but then it's challenging because I don't have enough time to do all of them, but this is going to be a really special one for sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

And you know, in addition to that, I got to say that that part of the state, it's it's a lot of eye candy there. I mean, they're at the gorge, that amphitheater at the gorge with all the folks there, you get all the benefits of this is not uh necessarily the and I I know a lot of people like the West Coast. I'm not a real fan necessarily of the West Coast of Washington so much, because I just kind of like sunny days, not like, you know, open skies and a lot of space, but where this is in Washington, it's gonna be a great place to be as well. So not only with all the people that are there and and all the the brethren that are there and all the things that are be going on that I think will start a lot of ripples in other places, it it's gonna be also a great uh place physically to be and a very refreshing place to be and a great time, great place to spend time with others.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

Yeah, there's something about that that that fellowship and and especially in large numbers, and then especially just a whole bunch of guys, right? Yeah, I'm sure just you know praising the Lord and and prayer, but then man, those practical steps, you're gonna what you're gonna have is that real iron sharpening where people walk away from there going, hey, what do you you know, especially if they come together? Like think about a group of men coming from their community all acr all the way across the nation. They're gonna travel all the way home making plans, man, talking about the things they're gonna do and and the and the courses they're gonna have or the activity they're gonna ignite in their community or in their church. So it's gonna be an iron sharpening that leads to a real sharpening of men going back home and literally fighting the fight, putting putting God's word back into their communities.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Yeah, one of the things it was interesting uh that this last week, uh turning point faith was in Dallas, and Graham Allen spoke before me, and one of the things he said was he was on a college campus recently, and a student came up to him and said, Graham, I got saved. I'm fired up, and I've gone to some of these local churches, and none of these pastors are really giving me any meat. It's just this really soft stuff, and and I I want to grow, and I don't feel like they're helping me grow. I'm saying that because if there's anybody out there and you're like, man, how can I really grow? This is one of those events. If you want to be around people that will encourage and challenge you in your faith, in your leadership as a man, as a father, as a husband, these are the guys you want to surround yourself with and be around. Some of the best leading voices that that show as a Christian how do we engage culture, how do we engage government, how do we lead our families? This is a place you will want to be. And guys, how cool too that the town is named George. It's in Washington State. So we're doing an event in George, Washington, as we get ready for the 250th anniversary. Super, super fun.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

FreedomCon26. FreedomCon26.com. So for any of our listeners that might be said, wait, it's a con job? What's the deal? I'm gonna what am I gonna do? I'm gonna show up and I'm the only one in the gorge. No, it goes just the Comic Con thing from years and years and years, and they had all these other conferences and then call, you know, it's conference for short, right? So anyway, it's freedomcon26.com. Freedomcon26.com. What a tremendous opportunity. Even going across, actually, now that I'm thinking about it, going across the country and caravanning and having that drive to pray and prepare for the event, and then having that drive back home. Oh wow. That's the way to do it, guys. So if you can schedule it, go be there. Just don't tackle Tim when you see him because Chad Roboshow and Nick Friedis and John Lovell are gonna protect you. God bless you, everybody. Have a great evening. You've been listening to the Wall Bubber Show.