Opening And Islam Topic Setup

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Welcome to the intersection of Faith and Culture. It's the Wall Builder Show taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Sure seems like one of the hottest topics out there is Islam and the Islamification of not only Texas but the entire country. We're going to hit that one head on today with the author of a book called Muslim Mafia. You're going to be amazed by this interview. By the way, I'm Rick Green here with David and Tim Barton. You can find out more about us at our websites, wallbudders.com, for everything that we've got. So wallboulders.com is our main website, wallbullers.show, for the radio program and previous programs you might have missed. Let's take a quick break. I know, right up here at the beginning of the program, and then we're going to spend a lot of time with David Gobbitz, and you're going to be blown away by what we're going to learn. Stay with us. You're listening to the WallBulder Show.

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Guest Intro And Muslim Mafia

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show. Thanks for staying with us. David Gobbit's with us. Gotta talk about this book, Muslim Mafia. He was way, way ahead of the curve while the rest of us were asleep at the will. Most everybody in the country. And uh man, now a lot of people are waking up, and a lot of the things he warned about 16, 17, 18 years ago are actually happening now. David, thank you so much for coming on, sir.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

Thank you, Rick. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Well, you wrote a book eight, I guess it's 18 years ago now, 17 years ago, Muslim Mafia Inside the Secret Underworld that's conspiring to Islamicize America. And a lot of people didn't take you serious. And here we are. We're now watching it happen. Uh the background of this is quite amazing, and and I would love to get your story for our listeners and and just how this all came about.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

Sure, no problem. This book actually came out in 2009. Um a little bit of a background. I had first started studying Islam in 1979 upon my first deployment to Saudi Arabia. And I continued up until this day, so about 45 years. In 2007-2008, I was contacted by Frank Gaffney and his crew at the Center for Security Policy. And he was the Under Secretary of Defense for Ronald President Ronald Reagan. And he asked me at that time, he said, could I put together a team of about six people to go in care headquarters, Washington, D.C., for approximately six months to determine truly who care is. Are they friend or foe? And I did that. I said, yes. It would be difficult initially because you have to have the right people and you have to understand the security of care. And at the time we had very little information about how care headquarters operates. So, Rick, what I had to do first would do some individual security tests within care, like sending individuals to the front door to see how hard it would be actually to even get into the lobby, and then what would be the process to put an intern or an employee inside. So that took a couple months before the actual operation even began.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

And and this was what year was this that you that you did the undercover operation?

SPEAKER_03 4:33

This was 2007, 2008, that I did the undercover operation. The book came out in 2009.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Gotcha. Okay, great. And uh and and I don't know if you know Frank Gaffney now is working with us at Patriot Academy. He actually teaches our students and and is working on a a new effort essentially to inform the nation uh of a lot of the stuff that you discovered back then and uh and how to respond to it. So it's amazing how these things come come back around. So once you started doing that initial um you know uh assessment, what did it what did it take to actually get inside the operation?

SPEAKER_03 5:11

Well, I knew from my experience with studying Islam that the key to getting inside an Islamic organization such as KAR, uh defined as Hamas Muslim Brotherhood, would be the individuals I chose would have to be people opposite from the way law enforcement go undercover. Because dealing with law enforcement, I was a federal agent for over 15 years, and undercover operations, say going into gangs or narcotics areas, and undercover officer has to have what we refer to as the gift of gab to be able to just go in and talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, you know, continuously, and that's how they get the people and gangs and narcotics operations to open up. To go inside undercover inside an Islamic terror group, it requires just the opposite. You have to have someone who goes in is very, very quiet, doesn't ask a lot of questions, and number one, they have to understand Sharia law, because that is the way to get in undercover. And that's what I train before I put people undercover inside care headquarters. I train my individuals simply to understand Sharia law, how to dress, the mannerisms, things to say, things not to say, things to do, things not to do. And for your audience who really maybe not understand Sharia law, Sharia law covers a Muslim's life 24 hours a day. Everything they happen to do, from the way they eat, take a bath, go to sleep, prayers, physical jihad, um uh laws within Sharia, the Hadood, the punishment laws, uh, what is a death penalty and what is not. Uh uh individual that goes undercover must fully understand Sharia. So the six people I picked to go undercover knew absolutely nothing about Islam. I mean, they could not define what Islam was. They had no idea what Sharia law was. So day one, I taught them Sharia uh uh accordance, how to act and behave inside like care headquarters. So that was a couple months process there. So they went in in 2007 and stayed approximately six months. During that time, my son Chris was the lead researcher, and the team, he and his team were able to get approximately 13,000 documents out of care, documents that care was in the process of shredding that contained criminal information about their activities, such as their support for Al-Qaeda, Hamas, etc. So we got 13,000 documents out, and uh it lasted approximately six months, and uh eventually about a year later, ended up writing the book Muslim Mafia.

13,000 Documents And CAIR Claims

SPEAKER_01 8:28

And and in the book, you I mean, you basically lay out their game plan for you know domination, essentially. I mean, to to the Islamification of uh of America and warn people about what was coming.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

Yeah, Rick, and exactly. And I being a former federal agent, I only rely on firsthand evidence. So it wasn't my opinions, it was what documents we found, plus what they personally discussed, is what uh the book is all about. It's based on firsthand evidence, not just personal opinion. And I can tell everyone now that CARE, the Council on American Islamic Relations, is not a peace-loving, assimilating organization that wants to follow the U.S. Constitution and America. They're exactly opposite. CARE is headquarters Hamas and friends with uh Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah, etc.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

What you know, now, 17 years later, what what do you recommend? And you know, everybody's kind of scrambling right now. There, there are a lot of people waking up to the problem. Obviously, the problem is a thousand times worse than it was in 2009. Um, you know, when you look at the landscape, what do you recommend that we need to do?

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Well, something that I wrote in actually 2007, and people can look this up if they just Google Gobbit's sleeper sales. I wrote an article, an extensive article in 2007 talking about the sleeper cells, Islamic sleeper cells scattered all across America. And since I have been in 425 mosques, I can tell you firsthand that we have tens of thousands of sleeper cells ready to partake uh on the ideology of in this instance today, Iran, but ISIS, al-Qaeda, whatever, we have Sunni and Shi'i sleeper cells, and they are just waiting, you know, for the word, which they got a partial clearance from uh Ayatollah uh in Iran, and we've seen three or four sleeper cell type uh terrorist activities in the US plus across the world. I can tell people that they need to be prepared, prepare your families because one can only imagine 9-11 was awful, but could you imagine 10 9-11s going across America at the same time? And something, Rick, that I'm told by Imams as I go across the U.S., I've asked them, why haven't we had another 9-11 such attack in America? Now we've had individuals like the Boston bombing, etc. But why have we not had another 9-11? And over and over again, the Islamic leaders tell me, they say, Dave, uh, they call me Daud, my Arabic name. They say, Dave, right now in America, we, meaning the Islamic ideology, is winning in America. It would set them back 25 years to have another 9-11 type of attack in America. They don't need it right now. They have enough what they call lone wolf sleeper cells to keep the terror in the hearts of the American people. And right now, they're not ready for another 9-11, but when they feel that it's needed, they are very capable of carrying it out.

Cultural Jihad And Targeting Children

SPEAKER_01 12:08

That that confirms so much what what what we have been saying from the standpoint of they don't need or want a kinetic jihad. They're they're winning the cultural jihad. And if they go kinetic, that that riles us up, right? That wakes up more Americans. Like you're saying, it would set them back because it would draw the line clearly. Whereas the cultural jihad, they're able, they're able to fool most Americans into thinking we're just here, you know, because we want freedom and and we all want to get along. And that game is that they're playing that game well, and and frankly, they're winning at that right now.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

They're winning, and and they know that. And something when I was in Iraq in 2003 at the beginning of the war, I had the opportunity as a federal agent to interview dozens of Al-Qaeda and Saddam Fedeen terrorists. And one of the questions I would ask them, I asked them, what is going to be the next type of attacks in America, aside from a 9-11 type of attack? And over and over again, Rick, I was told by Islamic terrorists that the next type of attack, they're going to go after the hearts of the American people. And I wanted them to clarify that. And they said, the hearts of the American people are the children of Americans, and that is who is going to be targeted next by Islamic terrorists. Now keep in mind this was 2003, and they even further clarified, they said it doesn't mean physical attacks initially. They were going to go out to the hearts and minds of our children and then turn them against their own parents, turn them against America. And right now, if we look back, right now, they're doing that, and they've done a very good job of it in our colleges, everywhere from elementary schools all the way through universities. So they said when it is time, they will conduct physical jihad against our children. But right now they're going after the hearts and the mind because they say America can be destroyed from within, and it's going to be the younger generation that does that.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Wow. Wow. It's so true too. I mean, even now, we're fighting in Texas over textbooks and and you know, Islamic calendars, and you know, getting all kinds of holidays and and things into, you know, like you're saying, the hearts and and and minds of the kids and getting them to sympathize and and and frankly, even convert uh in in large numbers. So it's uh it's real. And and I guess the first step really is the the wake-up calls, why you wrote the book you know, 17 years ago, is to get people educated on this and then and get them willing to to take action and and not uh you know not just sit back and and watch it happen. I think we're do you feel like David, are we improving on our strategy at all? I mean, like are we starting to get our feet under us and start to realize here's some ways we can push back and and and and and fight you know peacefully in the within this, you know, fight the cultural jihad?

Child Marriage Allegation And Police Report

SPEAKER_03 15:18

No, I I have to say that from what I've seen in 45 years of studying Islamic matters overseas, like in Iran, Iraq, and Syria, etc., we are doing an outstanding job of fighting Islamic-based terrorism. President Trump is probably the best president we've ever had to go after them. But inside America, I see it all across from the east to the west coast. We are doing a very, very poor job because they are attacking our children openly in America. And I'll give some an example real quick of something that's going on that I see in almost every mosque. We talk about child marriages within Islam. Prophet Muhammad married a six-year-old girl, Aisha, and did awful things to that young lady for many, many years, that young child. So when I go to the mosque, I'll try to find out anything I can pertaining to child marriages at the mosque. I went to one in Nashville, and I've been to dozens like this, similar to Nashville. And inside the mosque, they were having a two-week Sharia course. Myself and a female researcher were in the mosque as Muslims, which I'm not Muslim, but uh we were going through Sharia classes, and sitting beside us was a little girl about seven years old, and she told my female researcher, she said, ma'am, my arms are hurting, my back is hurting. Can you help me? And the my researcher said, Honey, what's wrong? And the little girl raised her sleeves and showed her welts on her arms and back, and she said that Islamic leaders beat them when they don't do sharia correctly. And then the little girl, remember, seven years old, she told me and my female researcher, she said, and my husband does this to me, and my husband does that. Wow. That was sad. I I I called timeout at that point. I immediately went to the sheriff's department, the police department, contacted the FBI congressman from the left and the right. And Rick, it literally took me months and months before child protective services went in that mosque. They did protect that one girl, in my understanding, others who were also being abused, and they ended up closing that mosque in Nashville, Tennessee. Now that mosque came out, originated from Minnesota. It was a Somalian mosque, and a group of approximately 100 Muslim men and their wives moved to Nashville to set up an organization there. And I can tell you from the 425 mosques I've been to, that child marriages are being advocated right here in the United States of America, and we have no one who's willing to step up and protect those innocent girls.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

So so David, uh I mean, that sounds like it it did work, but uh but but only because you had infiltrated, only because you were in there and able to hear that girl's cry for help, and I just have to assume then that in Moscow all over the country, that's still occurring, and there's there's no one that's infiltrated. There's no one there to hear that that little girl's cry for help. Is that fair statement?

Law Enforcement Limits And Texas Actions

SPEAKER_03 18:55

That's a fair statement, and that goes back to what you said. What are we doing in America? Are we doing enough? If I can go in there as a private citizen and obtain that information within a few days, and I can go to almost any mosque in America and get that type of information within a few hours. Why are law enforcement not inside these mosques getting the same information? It's very, very uh clear what's going on. It would be very easy to do with just a small amount of training that myself or others could provide to law enforcement, but politically they are not allowed to go into the mosque to do any type of investigation. And I and I have to relate this to what we saw in Iraq in 2003. Remember, I was a civilian at that time, civilian federal agent, and we were told you cannot go in mosque, you cannot go in hospitals, you cannot go in schools. They were off limits anywhere else. So what did we do? We went in mosque, schools, and hospitals, and that's exactly where we found the uh Islamic terrorists hiding, and we found the weapons inside the mosque and the schools and the hospitals. Same thing's going on here in the U.S. Mosques are essentially safe houses for Islamic terrorist sales sleepers, and to as many headquarters across the United States. They have over 3,500 mosques, and I've been told by many Islamic leaders these are safe houses. Something I need to add real quick, and I can't go into great detail right now, Rick, but I can tell you the Attorney General's office in Texas are doing an outstanding job at trying to get a hold of all of this. I've been in Zoom meetings over the last couple of weeks a couple times, and they are pursuing criminal activity at some of the mosques across Texas.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

It sounds almost like when we when we talk about solutions and and things we need to be doing to combat this, that that one of the big ones is going to be really changing our perspective on local law enforcement. Sheriff's departments are gonna have to get better and better trained on this and almost have, you know, literally create departments within that department that this is their focus. I mean, we're talking, you know, two thousand well, uh three or four hundred actual mosques in Texas now, two thousand, I'm told, by our mutual friend Frank Gaffney, where if you count their version of a home church where they're beginning them in in communities and ideas having buildings, uh, I I I can't imagine there's going to be a county unaffected. So it's just gonna have to become a huge part of our law enforcement efforts.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Exactly. And I lived in Texas for about seven years total. I've probably been to a hundred plus mosques in Texas, and I've also trained every Texas state trooper back. In the early 2000s, they were required to go to my classes and I trained them exactly how to go undercover to do this type activity. Yet we have good law enforcement on the ground street level, but their hands are actually handcuffed because once it gets into any type of investigation, it immediately goes to the joint terrorism task force, which is led by the FBI inside of America. It would have to be an active type shooter situation before they would be allowed to do so. But otherwise they have free reign to do what they want in America.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah, that's gotta change. Man, it's gotta change, and I think it's gonna require it's gonna require a lot of education just on what freedom of religion really is, and and when something's subverting the public good that it's not protected uh by the First Amendment, and that's that's a big that's a big shift in the American mindset that's gonna take time.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Well, if we would just listen to them because I asked them to I ask Islamic leaders to define what Islam is, and they kinda laugh and smirk sometimes. They say, first of all, Islam is not a religion. This is not what my opinion I'm coming up with. This is what I'm told by Imams all across America and all through the Middle East for my 45 years plus. They define Islam as a political, economic, and military ideology that uses religion as a tool to achieve their goals. And their goal is to form an Islamic Ummah nation worldwide under Sharia law. They are the first in their materials and in their lectures to tell the worshipers they are not a religion. Wow. So that should be enough for us right there.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Wow, that's so yeah. Yeah. I mean that just yeah, in their own words. Is that in your book, what you just mentioned?

SPEAKER_03 24:03

Uh it may be in my book. It's in some of the documents that I've got, the 13,000 documents, but it's in all kinds of material that I've got from the full hundred and twenty-five mosques I've been in.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

Man, I want to follow up with you on that. That's that's that's exactly the kind of you know, intellectual ammunition that we that we need to win this. David, we we we gotta have you back. Thank you. Thank you so much for continuing to pursue this, you and your son both, and thank you for coming on on air with us and and helping to uh alert the American people and our listeners. Um I look forward to having you back and having further discussions. I appreciate you, sir.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Thank you, Rick, and then pass on my best to Frank Gaffney and David Urushami. They're great people.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

I will, absolutely. And uh and by the way, the book, uh Amazon, is that the best place uh uh for us to send? I know it's available on Audible as well for those that prefer to listen.

SPEAKER_03 24:55

Yes, Amazon's probably the best place.

Patriot Academy Invite And Farewell

SPEAKER_01 24:58

All right, folks, you need to get it, and uh and and it's time for all of us to get up to speed on this thing. Stay with us, we'll be right back. You're listening to the Wobbler Show. Have you noticed the vacuum of leadership in America? We're looking around for leaders of principle to step up, and too often, no one is there. God is raising up a generation of young leaders with a passion for impacting the world around them. They're crying out for the mentorship and leadership training they need. Patriot Academy was created to meet that need. Patriot Academy graduates now serve in state capitals around America, in the halls of Congress, in business, in the film industry, in the pulpit, in every area of the culture. They're leading effectively and impacting the world around them. Patriot Academy is now expanding across the nation, and now's your chance to experience this life-changing week that trains champions to change the world. Visit Patriotacademy.com for dates and locations. Our core program is still for young leaders 16 to 25 years old, but we also now have a citizen track for adults. So visit the website today to learn more. Help us fill the void of leadership in America. Join us in training champions to change the world at Patriotacademy.com. Welcome back to the Wall Builder Show. Thanks so much for staying with us, and thanks to David Gobbes for joining us. Muslim Mafia is the name of the book. You still get it in bookstores everywhere, and uh and I got it on Audible actually. And man, I'm telling you, this is we've got to get this information out to people. We need to wake people up to understand what we're dealing with, what we're facing. This will be not be the last time that we talk about this here on Wall Builders, where we take on those hottest topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Thanks so much for listening. You've been listening to the Wall Builder Show.