Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's the WallBuilders Show taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. As I mentioned last week, no hotter topic right now than Islam in America. And so last week we had a special event. Well, week before last, we had special event at the Patriot Academy campus called What to Do About Sharia Law. We have Frank Gaffney, Nissar Hussain, Bill Federer, Krish Dunham, myself. We were just basically batting around ideas, giving the history and then, and then talking and brainstorming about how to deal with this very real threat especially when you watch what's happening in England and in Australia and really well across Europe because I was so many places across the planet right now and in our own backyard right here In the United States. So last week on Thursday and Friday here on the WallBuilders Show we shared part of that presentation. We're gonna do one more day of that We won't get the whole thing in. So, if you want to watch the entire presentation, it's available at my Facebook page Which is just facebook.com forward slash Patriot Rick green. You can scroll down and you'll see the presentation there or at PatriotU.com or on our Patriot Academy X or YouTube channels. So, it's about a two-hour long discussion. And so, we got, you know, some of it last week, we'll get some of it today, but it is worth diving into folks, you've got to get ready for this, you gotta get educated on this. This is such an important topic for us to cover from that. Biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. So let's jump right back in where we left off last week at the Patriot Academy Campus for What to Do About Sharia Law. 

Nissar Hussain  [00:01:42] But talking to people from Washington, D.C., with the International Religious Summit and coming here, I don't think you've got five years. 

Rick Green [00:01:56] You got to say that again, because I was going to be my first question to you. You predicted my question. How far behind are we, Australia and England? You think it could be less than five years. 

Nissar Hussain  [00:02:04] I believe so sir, I believe it's going to be less than five years, that is my observation going from my experience. So, allow me to say that, so I'm a Christian convert, okay, from a Muslim background, but things weren't like they are now. You have whole swathes, London is 50% Muslim of all sorts, Arab, Pakistani, Somali, Afghanistani, you name them. London has fallen. We've got a London mayor, Sadiq Khan. You look to several of the cities, they are Pakistani mostly Muslim mayors, okay. You looked to the councilors, they are mostly Muslim. They have been voted in by bloc Muslim votes. And so, because they're so proactive when it comes to politics, the ideology of Islam, by the way, 7th century ideology, Allah is not the God of the Bible. Allah is specifically an Arab term for their peculiar 7th century deity. It is not Yahweh, it is not the God of the Bible. Okay, so it is the, in essence, a revamped version of the moon God worship. That's who Allah was. And of course, this dear gentleman has encapsulated so well. Before I just go on, I wanna just say concerning Zamdani he's a Marxist and he's an Islamist he's a very very dangerous man and what he failed to go on and say and he wouldn't dare say this; they slaughtered between 800 and 1,000 Jewish men and boys from the age of puberty, the Bono-Kureza tribe. Muhammad partook in that. They took the females as sex slaves, okay? They wiped out three Jewish tribes because they didn't accept him as a prophet. And when you reference him, please make sure you reference him as the prophet of Islam. He is not a prophet or the prophet. He is the prophet of Islam, so that that's just my my little quirk. So going back to our story, so I came to faith in '96 and no sooner did I come to faith. One of my closest buddies was also a British born Pakistani. When I told him I had converted to Christianity, he said, do not come near me, do not knock on my door, we are finished. And so next thing I know, he told one or two other people, and then it goes out like wildfire. There are 35% stronghold Muslims in Bradford. They have over 1,000 mosques. This could be back rooms somewhere, houses converted into mosques, Methodist chapels that they've bought converted into mosque. I can show you on my video, I went to Bradford by stealth about four weeks ago because I heard my old church, an Anglican church going back 15th century, was in the process of being converted into the mosque because they encroach, they push everybody out through fear, intimidation and harassment. The whole area before you know it is a 101% Muslim, the churches lie abandoned, and they buy their churches, and they convert them into mosques. And actually, I will share this with Frank, and he's very welcome to share this with you, so when I saw it, they're taking all the Christian emblems down, the stone emblems, down from the building, actually, and they were in the process, again, of converting into a mosque. Actually, this is the extent of what is going on. So, the police, they are terrified of being labeled Islamophobic. They use this word Islamophobia, okay. I was told many years ago, but that word came about from the Twin Towers attack to deflect from their terrorism, okay, and shut down debate. And to, you know, sort of again, people are then cowed into sort of debating this thing with them, 47,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since Twin Towers in 90 countries. This is fact. So, there is a problem. And their birth rate, 3.4%, the English birth rate has dwindled to 1.1. It used to be two-point live births to sustain their population. They are way down there, five or six, seven plus children. And so you can imagine again, as one Algerian Prime Minister back in '74 said in the United Nations, Budamean, he stood up in the Unites Nations, he said, we don't need a pick of the sword. We just keep on producing children, we'll win this war through the wombs of our women. And so that is another strategy. Anyway, I just want to say in closing... 

Rick Green [00:08:34] Okay, for that, just go have more children, okay? Get married, have lots of children, homeschoolers are our only chance at winning this thing. I'm sorry. Go ahead. 

Nissar Hussain  [00:08:41] God bless you, sir. That was my next sort of clarion call. So we have six. So, I tried to boost the Christian population, actually. And so, yes. So these are the strategies that they're using. So, I actually, my trouble started after my friend, he then spread the news and then what happens, you're then scorned, you're frowned upon. They confront you, these young men, angry men. I've never felt so vulnerable when you have a child in your arm and you're surrounded, jostled, spat at actually. And so the audacity under the noses of the state, it is a failed state. They cared little for me and my family, whether we lived or died. And this escalates then to criminal damage. I've had cars torched outside my home, six-foot flames shooting out from the car three o'clock in the morning, and I screamed from the pit of my stomach, not because of the car, because knowing how personal this was becoming. The police come along, well, well we have no proof, case closed, off they go. They never recognized us as apostate and apostasy, hatred, and violence. And so, this then escalates further, drive-by brickings. We couldn't sit the children next to the bay window for four years. You're in a state of clinical depression. The children are depressed. They were young. They were going to a Roman Catholic primary school and a Christian school, and they will being actually discriminated against by fellow pupils calling them kufas, infidel, actually, and kafir and the such like, and all these Arabic terms. Our father said, our mother said, you are unclean, we can't sit next to you. But yet they are sending their children to Catholic and Christian institutions. So this went on for seven years, being pushed and shoved, coming into church, sitting in amongst my family and I in the pews, the Christian brethren, they just didn't sort of follow me. They didn't say, okay, we're gonna rally around you. Let's go to the MP, member of parliament. Let's got to the police station. So, we were forced eventually to move. We became more and more isolated. Why? Fear. Was it, Roosevelt just said, nothing of fear, but fear itself? And look, the Lord hasn't given us spirit of fear. So, I'm saying, follow me. Where's the Christian cavalry? Nowhere to be seen. We moved from the first property by stealth. My 12-year-old son was with me on a trailer two or three o'clock in the morning four of the girls was sleeping in the car. And we're going to the new property, unloading, they're then going to school at 7:30, eight o'clock in the morning, and we moved, everything was okay. Then what happened was that I actually contributed to a dispatches documentary program. They approached me, they said, look, that there is a problem with ex-Muslims. And I felt, you know what, I'm gonna exercise my democratic right. What gives these people the right to do what they're doing? And I gave an account and I aired on the program which went on national TV. This is in two September of 2008 and a demented Pakistani clan family born and raised like me in England then Sharia fashion started our troubles all over again. So, if I may just bring up the speed I Walked out my home one day Police weren't interested. I said listen, I've had reports. I've got a mosque meeting There was a young man there, he knows his family, and he just said, they're gonna attack you, be warned. So, the imam, to his credit, did say to the young man, have you reported to the police? He said no, he said, well, that needs reporting. But it's the Umar, it's the Muslim Brotherhood at the end of the day. I can't force them. Possibly they're fearful of repercussions. And what happened, I was walking out to my car one evening by the way, I was parking at the police station because they smashed my car so many times. The insurance said to me, listen, man, you are a walking liability. We cannot insure you anymore. And no matter where I parked it, they followed me. I was constantly being watched, constantly being monitored. And I'd walk away, come home, catch a taxi, leave the car there, go back, and it smashed to pieces. So anyway, on this particular day in November of 2015, I walked out my property, go into the car, and I did see a car opposite me and I thought, okay, oh, peculiar. So, I went to get in and before I knew it, I got pounced on by three thugs. One stayed in the car, two of them came out and ferociously set upon me with pickaxe handles. And that is solid hickory wood, you know? And next thing I know, I was floored. I was seeing stars. I hit the back of my head against a short wall, and they weren't going to stop. I felt my kneecap smash. I desperately tried to protect my head from being bludgeoned in. And I just said, Lord, you know what? If I've got to go, I'm coming to You. I'm going home. And by the grace and mercy of God, two Polish men, several doors, maybe about 80 yards away, came dashing down from nowhere. 

Rick Green [00:15:02] Sorry I got to interrupt folks, we'll be right back, you're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:16:13] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show jumping right back in with our presentation on What to Do About Sharia Law. The recent group meeting at Patriot Academy. Nissar Hussain is the one speaking now telling his story in the UK. 

Nissar Hussain  [00:16:25] They came, and as they were running and shouting, these thugs then fled. They picked me up, sat me on my step, ambulance carried me away, actually, and I underwent two operations to wire up my kneecap and my hand. And my poor daughter, my oldest daughter, rang me before they were wheeling me into the theater because they said, you're high priority, you've got open wounds, infection, we've got to get you in. So, I stopped the trolley. I said, please allow me to take this call. And they were very good to me. They knew what had happened. My daughter was crying naturally. Dad, we're coming from university. We're coming home. My oldest daughter and the one just a couple of years younger than her. And I begged them, please, please don't come. I can't protect you. I'm incapacitated. Look, I have no head injuries. I have facial injuries. They'll patch me up. I'll come home. Stay at university. What did they do? They caught a coach and they came back at midnight. Can you imagine how I felt lying in that bed, not knowing whether we're gonna get kidnapped, raped? And I said, Lord, you know what? You said, stand. I've stood, but we don't wrestle with flesh and blood. Stand, stand therefore. And I said, Lord I can't do anymore. Not one Christian, never mind coming to my home or the doorstep to see how my wife was, didn't even phone. We've soldiered on for 20 years through isolation and they know his family's ostracized him. They're not going to touch him in the barge pole because there is no acceptance, there is no tolerance, there's no middle ground. And so, you're sitting ducks. The police signed my death warrant. Again, just like with the grooming gangs, the rape gangs, they are terrified of being labeled racist and Islamophobic. And so, it took me several months to get back on my feet. I can't express to you the psychological, emotional damage. And God bless you, Didi. My sister, you don't know what you've done. Because when we got moved out a year to the day by 10 armed police, they wanted to take us to a safe house, I said, sir, I do not trust you. And the sergeant of the armed police took offense and he said, look, I don't know how it's come to this and why it's been allowed to come to this. I agree. It should not have happened. However, we're here to protect you. So, I adamantly refused. One of my daughters, we pulled out from her old level exams from school. We got into a car and they said, we going to give you a convoy. Promise us every time you come back to Bradford, to your home, that you will call us. We'll meet you in a four-car convoy We'll go to your house, we'll stay with you, doesn't matter how long it is, you can pack and sort of we'll take you back out onto the motorway. And basically, for each month, for seven months, my wife and I done that. The house didn't sell for three years because they were chasing away potential buyers, especially white faces, they assumed them to be. Missionaries or Christians that said, we got rid of him, you're a Christian. And the people will be confused saying, you know, what are we talking about? They're the most racist, intolerant bunch of people because of their supremist ideology of Islam. They are the best of people, as per the Quran, and we are the worst. And so, If I may in closing....

Rick Green [00:20:32] And that's in Minneapolis right where you're talking I’m kidding but it... It is in Minneapolis now. You get my point. 

Nissar Hussain  [00:20:38] Yeah, it would have been the same outcome for any Somalian who turned Christian. It is a very hostile, it's a warring religion. And so, anybody that leaves Islam, and so, I really want to express to you, thank you, Neil, for this. This is The Reliance of the Traveler. This is, I'm sure you might know this Krish, you know it yet, this is a classic manual of Islamic sacred law, you can buy it on Amazon. However, we did try and look, didn't we, Neil? And for some strange reason, we can't buy it on Amazon, whether they want to look at your name, whether it's a Muslim name, vet you and then send it out to you, I don't know. But the reliance of the traveler. So, I've just marked it here. 

Rick Green [00:21:41] And while he's doing that, I want to let you know tomorrow morning, we're going to have an extended conversation for anyone that is staying overnight. If you came in from out of town or you're close to town and you want to come back, Krish is going to be leading these guys in an extended conversation with the scholar. So, it's specifically for them. But since we have limited time tonight and so many. Tomorrow morning, we'll if you want to come back and really dive deeper with these guys. We're gonna be doing that We're going to get back to everybody's gonna get another you know couple of opportunities to speak but just so you know, I want you to make plans for tomorrow. Just quickly close. Yeah 

Nissar Hussain  [00:22:13] So here we are, page 595, Apostasies from Islam, riddah. Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief. And the worst, when a person has reached puberty and is saying voluntarily, apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. Neil, did you have the contemporary book? Very quickly, sir. So just to confirm that this is a standard manual, actually. So, this book is picked up from a Bradford shop. I didn't pick it up. It's saying Islamic law in the contemporary world. Apostasy, a capital sin. This is a contemporary book. So, this is the fate of ex-Muslims and just in closing and wrapping up. And I'm sorry, Rick, if I've taken a bit more time. 

Rick Green [00:23:22] And I want to ask you when we come back to you in a second, what are we doing? How are all these Muslims that are converting to Christians, how are they surviving? We got to come back to it though, but be ready to answer that. 

Nissar Hussain  [00:23:34] Yeah, okay. So actually, so please keep us in your prayers. Again, God bless you Didi. We were marched out. We're off track. I don't exist. We don't exist as family. Aura of details, government details, car registration are on lockdown. If police stop me in England for any reason they cannot trace me. The buck stops with the safeguarding officer at that particular headquarters in the location where I live. And they answer to him and vice versa. This is thanks to past and present Prime Ministers. We now have a situation in closing, Shabana Mahmood, who has been made the Home Secretary for some months. Is an anti-Semite, she's been screaming and shouting several years ago, closing down supermarkets with a mob, because Sainsbury's Supermarket sells Jewish products. She is now the Home Secretary and there is talk of her becoming the first female Muslim Prime Minister. When that day happens You'll see me here. So, the legalized apostasy campaign is to raise awareness. But I have a grave passion for ex-Muslims. But I won't go any further, because you're going to ask me a question. But- 

Rick Green [00:25:19] But it's such a warning to us. I mean, guys, I mean I don't have to emphasize it. I mean, what he's saying is here. This will be our communities and our country in less than five years. He's saying, I was thinking 20. He is saying potentially less than 5. So Krish Dunham, again, as I said, is the dean of our Patriot Institute and very good friend. He teaches all the world religions to these scholars so that they know how to defend and they know how to defend the Christian faith and they also know what to expect. From these things that we're dealing with. So, he's taking them through a much deeper dive into all of this. Go ahead, Krish. 

Krish Dunham [00:25:54] OK, so what we'll do is you've heard the geopolitical side from Frank, his ex-boss Ronald Reagan was President when I came to the United States. And incidentally, just a sidebar, today is exactly 40 years to the date, February 10, 1986, that I walked into the United States’ embassy in New Delhi to file my papers to come to America. So. It's one biblical generation and here we stand. I saw India go that route 

Rick Green [00:26:30] Well, folks, unfortunately, we don't have time to hear Krish's part. You'll have to go to PatriotAcademy.com or go to Facebook. And then Patriot Rick Green is the web page or the Facebook page where you can see the entire presentation. Thanks so much for listening today to the WallBuilders Show