Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's the WallBuilders Show taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. And you talk about a hot topic of the day.... Islam is a hot topic of the Day. Sharia law hot topic of the day. And man, we need some experts to speak to this. And so, we had an event at the Patriot Academy campus. By the way, Rick Green here, America's constitution coach, normally with David and Tim Barton and today though, we're going to give you a, essentially it was a live event, but it was a week ago at the Patriot Academy campus. We're going to share that with you over the next couple of days. And we may have to take it into next week as well. It was an incredible, incredible event. We brought in Frank Gaffney, undersecretary of defense under president Reagan, a major influence in helping to secure our nation over the last 40 years and just one of the guys that we really respect and has had his eye on this and been organizing, getting different organizations together, working to respond to the threat of Islam. Bill Federer of course frequent guest here on the WallBuilders program and has the book on What Every American Should Know about the Quran. Is just an incredible historian and was a big part of this. Nissar Hussain, who was you know persecuted in the UK for leaving Islam nearly, you know, killed, I mean had to go into hiding. His testimony and warning to Americans is incredible. Krish Dhanam the dean of the Patriot Institute has been warning about this the threat of Islam for years, been in the United States for forty years, legal citizen, phenomenal patriot. Loves this country came from India and a great friend of mine and brilliant apologist for the Christian faith. But also understands the world religions better than maybe anybody I know. And just does a phenomenal job on teaching on this. So anyway, all these guys came together for this event at the Patriot Academy campus called What to do About Sharia law. We want to share that with you here, our WallBuilders listeners, and actually before we go right to the recording, the event was actually sort of a special episode of my show, the Tavern. So those of you that I haven't talked about this in a while, we used to air a lot of these interviews on WallBuilders. But I do this show once a week it's 6 PM on Mondays called The Tavern. And it's like the Revolutionary War taverns where they came together, had discussions, what we call the revolutionary strategies and tactics necessary to save freedom. And so, this, that's why you'll hear us talking about being in the tavern, a big, big episode of The Tavern. So, let's jump in. This is at the Patriot Academy campus. What to do about Sharia Law. 

Rick Green [00:02:43] All right. So here we are in a very large tavern and if there's anybody in the room that wants to donate enough money, we're gonna build a tavern right at the front of the property so you can have an actual restaurant that can be open. Anyway, we'll take those checks tonight. Here's what we're going to do; tonight is a conversation we don't have all the solutions for this very very important topic but we all agree this is the fight that has come to the door. The wolf is not just at the door; the wolf was in the house. And we have some major challenges in this country with people understanding what freedom of religion actually is under the Constitution as the Founders designed it. We have some major challenges with the church not waking up and realizing the challenges that are facing us. We have a difficult, difficult task ahead, and this is not going to happen overnight. I was thinking the other day about how long it took to even get the proper definition of freedom of religion out of the First Amendment when so many in America 40 years ago, when David Barton first wrote Myth of Separation, most Americans believed Separation of church and State was in the Constitution, that that's what the First amendment said. Forty years later, we finally get the Coach Kennedy Case, overturning the Lemon Decision and finally getting freedom of religion back in this country. Forty years it took. Now, I realize what you're thinking. Many of you in this room, like me, are thinking, well, if it takes 40 years to win this one, I'm gonna be looking down from heaven because that's a long time from right now. You know what, if that's the case and if the Lord tarries and if that how long it takes to win, so be it. Duty is ours, results are God's, amen? So the key for us is to understand the battle, understand the battlefield. That's what tonight's about, is a warning and a wakeup call to recognize what we're up against and to learn from what's happening in Europe and Australia and around the world and not be foolish and naive to think that it would not happen here. So, we have gathered a panel of amazing experts, subject matter experts that have lived it, that have taught it, that have been warning about it for decades. And it's our honor to have them here in the Tavern and as a part of this tonight. We are very engaged in politics and government and choosing our leaders. And so, we're going to have a Kendall County candidate forum and a Gillespie County judge candidate forum here in this room. And it is going to be hosted by our Patriot Academy scholars. Can our Patriots Academy scholars stand up and wave? Say howdy. We've got quite a few of them in the room. Y'all thank them for putting this together. They're with us for almost a year right here on campus, getting grounded, learning apologetics from one of the greatest apologists on the planet, Krish Dhanam, right here to my right, and also learning speaking skills and life skills and all kinds of great things. So we're super proud of them. But Thursday night, same time, seven o'clock, if you'd like to come back and be a part of that candidate forum. So, I'm gonna quickly tell you about 30 seconds about each of these fellas. And then we'll introduce Bill Federer to be our first speaker tonight. Krish Dhanam is kind of my cohost tonight in The Tavern and my partner in crime here on the campus. He's the Dean of our Patriot Institute. Krish and I've been working together for 30 years now in various ways, trying to influence the culture. He has always been our most popular speaker at the Patriot Academy programs and decided that he was willing to come move down here with his wife and help us really pour into these young people for a year at a time. So, we are honored to have Krish. Krish is and he'll tell a little bit of his story, I'm sure but he is a legal immigrant that did it the right way and came here with nine bucks in his pocket and really appreciates and lives out the American dream and he's pouring it into these kiddos as well. But he's been warning about Islam for a long time tried to wake me up about it. And I was one of the ones asleep at the wheel and so busy fighting these other fights that I didn't recognize what was happening. So you're gonna enjoy hearing from Krish. Frank Gaffney, I'm so thrilled to have as a part of Patriot Academy. Now I learned... Yeah, give him a hand, absolutely. I was first introduced to Frank almost 30 years ago when I ran for the state legislature and he was training at one of the Leadership Institute candidate programs I went through. And then in the last four or five years, we started going on each other's radio programs and just struck up a great friendship. And then when this issue really started hitting home, we said, we got to do something together. And Frank, by the way, if you want to be thankful for the fact that we are not subjected to the World Health Organization and what they say a virus is, this man right here is the guy you need to be thanking. He's the one that put together the coalition. He won't take credit for it. And he'll say, oh, Rick, it was all these other people. He's, the brainchild of helping make that happen. And, and that's just one of many, many issues over the years that he has led on. And so he is, he is absolutely the right person to help us build this national security partnership and team up with people from all over the nation, all the different grassroots organizations. So, you're going to enjoy hearing from Frank tonight. Now we have a secret special guest that we couldn't even tell you was coming tonight for his security and for our security frankly, Nissar Hussain, is the one that you've probably seen on television and interviews in the UK leading the effort to legalize apostasy. If you haven't heard about that, literally making it okay to, to denounce a particular faith and leave without being killed for leaving Islam. An and he and Frank also struck up a friendship and I am so thankful that you're here tonight, sir. We're looking forward to hearing from you. Everybody knows Bill Federer. You can't not love Bill Federer. It's like in the Constitution somewhere And I've been learning from Bill for a long time. In fact, Bill just said to me as we were looking over his book table, I was grabbing one of these; "What Every American Needs to Know About the Quran". Which you should go get in the coffee shop as you buy some Patriot Brew Coffee. That's your ticket. That's your admission price tonight buy a Patriot Brew Coffee and a copy of this book and you can also get a DVD that has a ton of his books on it for only 20 bucks. Lots of lots of good stuff there. But anyway, he was saying something about. Wow, Rick, look at all this stuff you guys have built and man, I feel like I haven't built anything when I look at what you're building. And I said Bill, you built this. And I'm now building these kids and these young people and around here. So, God bless you man for pouring into me all these years, for teaching me and the rest of the country. If you're not following him on "American Minute", you should. So, let's jump in and by the way, that's one of in fact Probably, I'll steal Tony Perkins lines by the time we finish this panel, Bill will probably have written another book. Because he has a new book about every week and he's written on everything from Santa Claus to the YMCA to, to it’s good stuff too. And he has gift for making it interesting and fun. He and David Barton, man, that's why our family loves history is because of these two guys. Just incredible. So anyway, these guys have all come to share with you tonight. And for us to just kind of literally have a conversation. We're going, I'm going to be asking a lot of questions. Y'all can ask questions. We want to know what to do about Sharia law and not just Sharia law, but Islam, this is not something we want in our country. And we do not, you know, freedom of religion and the whole idea of, oh, you just got to let everybody do whatever they want. No, that is not true. Even the Supreme Court has said, if it subverts the public good, we have a right to say, no, we do not want child marriage in this country. We do not want pedophilia in this country. We're not okay with honor killings. We're not okay with being able to beat your wife and it's okay. All of this stuff is evil and wrong and we don't want it. Certainly not in Texas, but frankly in the entire United States of America. And so anyway, so these guys are going to help us. Start to think about solutions and what we can now do going back into our community. So y'all please welcome Bill Federer. 

Bill Federer [00:09:53] Thank you. And I wanna let you know how much I respect Rick and Kara Green and the tremendous work they're doing here at Patriot Academy impacting the world. So, thank you, Rick, amen, and Nissar, and Frank Gaffney is a dear friend, and Krish, it's an honor to meet you. Drive neutral, reverse. We've seen Europe go from a Judeo-Christian past to a secular, free sex, LGBTQ present, and now it's turning into an Islamic future. So, the trans-agenda is simply a creative way to cut ties with the Christian past before it's Islamized in the future. We can't understand what's going on until we zero in on Muhammad. He was the DNA. Muhammad was born in 570 AD. His father dies before he's born. His mother dies when he's six. Grandfather and guardian dies when he's eight. He's orphaned, taken in by an uncle, Abu Talib, who's a merchant who takes him on camel rides. And he goes to different cities and he hears about the different religions. Goes to Persia, Zoroastrian, where they believed that paradise was filled full of virgins that would fulfill all the guy's desires. He hears it and likes it and includes it in his religion. Zoroastrians believed in jinns or genies like 1001 Arabian Nights, Aladdin's Lamp, and that got incorporated into Islam. And then he goes to pagan cities. And in Mecca, they had a Kaaba, a square building that housed 360 different pagan gods, and the most popular was Huwala the moon god. And their calendar began with the first sight of the crescent moon over the desert. And they had a rock they thought had fallen from the moon. It's a glass impact rock where a meteor hit the hot desert sands, melted into brown glass. And these pagans would kiss this rock, walk around this rock and batter it for centuries pre-Mohammed. And Mohammed incorporated that into his belief system. Incorporated some of the Sabian beliefs, like where Yemen is today, where they chop off hands, and so forth. And then there's the Christian faith. And even Encyclopedia Britannica says the gospel was made known to Muhammad through apocryphal and heretical sources. So, Muhammad thought the Trinity was the Father, Mary, and Jesus. Nobody explained to him the Holy Spirit. And apocryphal, what's that? The infancy gospel of Thomas written several centuries after Jesus by someone who knew nothing of Jewish life. It's filled full of so many errors that no scholar takes it serious. But the stories were floating around the desert. Little Harry Potter type stories where Jesus made clay birds and clap and they flew away, raised a playmate from the dead, Muhammad heard those and now those are incorporated into Islam as fact. And then there's the Jewish faith. He originally had his followers bowing toward Jerusalem, but when the Jews rejected him, he turned the direction toward Mecca. So, he is born in 570 AD. And when he is 25 years old, He marries a wealthy widow named Khadijah. She's 40 years old, widowed twice, and now he doesn't have to work, and so he goes out to the cave and prays. So, a movement was sweeping through the Christianity of the time called monasticism, where if you really become a Christian, you should give away your money and live in a cave as a hermit or join a monastery. And so, they were called Desert Fathers. And so, Muhammad goes to a cave. And a spirit appears to him and commands him to read. He said, I cannot read. Spirit squeezed him a second time, commanded him to. He said he could not happen a third time. And then it sat on him. And then Muhammad began to recite. This is according to the Hadith. And that's how he gets these verses. And he repeats them until he has them memorized, teaches them to his followers. The word Quran means recitation. It's an oral thing because Muhammad and his original followers were illiterate. And so, he goes back to his wife Khadijah and tells her that he thinks he's demon-possessed. And she decides to test the spirit by having him sit, according to Ibn Ishaq, on her left thigh and says, can you see the visitant? He goes, yes, over there. Has him sit on her right thigh. Can you see him? Yes, over here. And then she has him sit her lap and reveals her form and takes off her veils and says can you the spirit? He said no. And she says, well, it must have been from God, because it was embarrassed to look upon me without all my veils on. That was the test that Muhammad used to decide whether the spirit appearing to him was from God or not. And so, she takes Muhammad to her cousin, who's an Ebionite Christian priest. Ebionism was this heretical sect that said Jesus was less than God. And he says, maybe that spirit appearing to you is the one that appeared to Moses. And then he dies, and Muhammad's left with his spirit. And so, he goes into Mecca and he feels there's something in his faith for everyone for the Jews for the pagans for the Christians and nobody's excited about it And so he gets confrontational and they chase him out of town first in 619 AD. It's his year of sorrows because Khadija dies, he tries to go into a city called Altaif. They don't want him; they pelt him with rocks and stones. So, in 622 AD he goes north to Medina it's a Jewish controlled city three Jewish clans control the city. They're nice. They let Mohammed in as the first-ever Muslim immigrant. And he goes into the minority neighborhoods and he begins to get a following, sort of like a community organizer. And as the following grows, he begins get involved in politics and begins to get a little pushy and he pushes the three Jewish tribes, the clans, to accommodate him and his followers with a treaty. And so now Mohammed is a political leader in addition to being a religious leader. And then Mohammed's followers back in Mecca, they get confrontational. They get chased out of town, about 70 of them. Now you have lots of Muslim immigrants coming into Medina. And Mohammed allows them to rob the caravans headed to Mecca in retaliation for the Meccans chasing them out of town. This victimhood thing. We're the victims. They were intolerant of us, so we get to rob their caravans. Little different than Jesus who said if they take your coat, give them your shirt. So, Mohammed gets verses from his Allah that he gets a fifth of the booty from robbing caravans. One of the verses says, Allah has given you the slave girls as your booty. He tells his men they can have four wives, plus as many extra women as the right hand possesses. Bond women, slave wives, concubines, they just don't have the status of a wife. And so, the Meccans in 624 AD send 1,000 soldiers to protect their caravan. Muhammad, at the Battle of Badra, defeats them with only 300. He takes this victory as confirmation that Allah wants him to be a military leader. And he fights in 66 battles and raves in the next eight years before he dies, killing an estimated 3,000 people. So, in 627 AD, the Meccans send 10,000 soldiers to Medina, and the Battle of the Trench, Muhammad digs trenches all around the city, which renders the cavalry of the Meccans useless. You can't charge your horse across a field full of trenches. They'll break their legs. So, he goes to some of the Meccans at night. Bribes them, they slip away, goes to some of the other Meccans at night, threatens them, and they slip away. And then it gets freezing cold for a week and the rest of the Meccan's go home. And he takes this as a great victory. So, he goes back into the city of Medina and remember those three Jewish clans that let him in five years earlier? He plays off their politics and he picks on the smallest that the other two doesn't like. And he confiscates their property, chases them out of town. And the other 2 tribes, well, we never really liked that tribe. And now it's got 2 Jewish clans. And he picks on the smaller of the two and the big one says well as long as he's not picking on me, right? And he chases him out of town now there's only one Jewish clan and according to the hadith Muhammad is taking a bath and a spirit appears to him and says how can you rest when all his enemies are in your midst he said where? Points at that last Jewish neighborhood he surrounds them for 28 days when they surrender, he brings him into the market chops off the head of six or seven hundred men, sells the women and children into slavery. So, within five years of Mohammed coming into the Jewish city of Medina as an immigrant, there is not a Jew left in the city of Modena. They were chased out, killed, or enslaved. So, it's a three-step process. Immigrate, increase, eliminate. Immigrant into a host country as a religious refugee, go into the minority neighborhoods and begin to organize a following and get involved in politics. And then you have random outbreaks of violence. Rapes, knives, acid attacks, and the previous inhabitants of the neighborhood no longer feel safe and move out and you take over the neighborhood. You do it again and again and again until you take over the whole country. So, it's RPM. There's freedom for all religions in America. But Islam is not just a religion because Mohammed was not just a religious leader. He was also political and a military leader. And so, when Mondami last week said 'my religion started with immigration. Mohammed went as an immigrant into Medina."  And he didn't finish the sentence that within five years there wasn't a Jew left in Medina. So, in nature, you have domestic species and you have invasive species. You got ants and you got fire ants. You got Kentucky bluegrass and Texas sticker grass. And so ideologically, you have domestic ideologies, Christianity, love your neighbor, bless them that curse you, and you have invasive ideologies. 

Rick Green [00:19:28] Quick break everybody, we'll be right back. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:20:39] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show, jumping right back in with our event, What to Do About Sharia Law. So, we are thrilled to have Frank on our team. By the way, so many people in this country have benefited from his advice and his planning and his strategy when it comes to the security policy of this country, congressmen that listen to him and get advice from him and so many others, we're just really, really blessed to have him. So y'all, Frank Gaffney. 

Frank Gaffney [00:21:03] Bill Federer is one of the harder acts to follow, so just give me, grade me on the curve as they say. I technically wasn't in the room, but I was in Reykjavik when it was happening. I wanna talk about this sort of cardinal problem, as I see it. As we talk about, this, Bill described Islam as a religion, but also something that was obviously brought to us by this political ...warrior figure. I want to focus in on Sharia. I know Nassar will as well from his perspective, and I'm so glad he's here to share that with you. From my perspective, as a national security-minded guy, Sharia is not a religion. It is a totalitarian, toxic, demonic, political ideology. With a patina, to be sure, of religiosity to it, but basically it is about power. How you get it, what you do with it when you have it, how you keep other people from taking it away from you, and ultimately how you will use it to rule the world. And if we think that anything else is going on, but that. This focused effort to conquer, to force everyone to do what the word Islam means, which is submit. Then we are deceived, and we are doomed. And so, what I want to talk to you about very quickly is just a little bit about what Sharia is, and then probably out of order in the great scheme of things, I'm going to share with you some ideas about what we do about it in Texas right now with your help. If Sharia is not a religion, and interestingly enough, one of our colleagues, John Guandolo and others that he has trained, frequently will at this point in the conversation pull out a textbook that is used to teach seventh graders in Islamic schools in the United States of America. Its title is All About Islam. And LITERALLY the first sentence of this textbook, which is authoritative. I mean, they use it to teach their kids, among other things, about jihad. And that first sentence is, Islam is not a religion. In intelligence business, this is what is called a clue. And unfortunately, the next sentence is, it is a complete way of life, which is where you get to Sharia, which the Arabic word for the path, the way you are supposed to in your life. And that path takes you inexorably to seeking to impose your program on everybody else. And Bill has just given us a shorthand of how you do it incrementally. You know that old line about the frog getting boiled incrementally, right? Well, this is in practice, Sharia is just keep turning up the heat until the frog is dinner. What I'm trying to really convey to you, as much as anything, is if you focus on that fundamental precept, everything else gets a lot easier. If you're distracted by, you know, the Quranic verse that says there is no compulsion in religion, for example, you're off on a wild goose chase. And there are any number of those early verses, which Bill didn't say, but the real importance of the personal life trajectory is that the early verses, the revelations he got when his wife was sitting on him or something, were generally peaceable and tolerant when he was more or less powerless in Mecca. But then there's that whole other part of the Quran, the revelations from when he went to Medina. 

Rick Green [00:26:26] All right folks, we are out of time for today. We will get the rest of that tomorrow. You've been listening to this special event, What to do About Sharia Law that we filmed at the Patriot Academy campus last week, and we'll get as much of it in tomorrow as we can, probably have to stretch some of it to early next week, but thank you so much for listening today to the WallBuilders Show.