Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to Intersection of faith and culture, The WallBuilders Show. Rick Green, David Barton, Tim Barton wallbuilders.com. That's like my normal couple of minute intro boiled down to like eight seconds here. Listen, what a weekend. If you weren't watching AMFest online and you weren't there in person, you missed out. I didn't go this year. I couldn't go to this year in person but I watched a lot of it online. David and Tim, you did go this here. Got to speak there at AMFest, got to see the excitement. I think one of my favorite tweets over the weekend was Steve Deace saying, hey, you know, I know everybody's sniping at each other on the stage, but on the ground, many of these kids are fired up to make a difference there's something really cool happening. There really is revival. So just curious if you guys felt the same thing and just, you know, a couple of minutes, can you give us a lowdown on what happened last weekend? 

David Barton [00:00:54] Yeah, I mean, it's to start with, we had a breakout session at eight o'clock in the morning, who goes to a convention center at eight o' clock in the morning and waits in line to get in. And so, you know, I was not expecting really momentous things, but it was surprising. 

Tim Barton [00:01:12] Well, Dad, to point out, not only getting there at 8 o'clock, they don't open the gates until 7:30 and then you have to go through magnetometers, right, metal detectors. There was secret service there because of course there was administration that were speaking throughout the weekend and. When we show up before 7:30, there's already hundreds and hundreds, I mean, maybe thousands of people that were already lining up to get in so they could make it in time for the eight o'clock. So not only were people showing up at eight, right? Cause all of us have done enough church services. We've all grown up in and around church. Like sometimes you go to the eight O'clock service and you show up at eight oh five, right, or, you know, whatever it is and you just navigate, whether it's, it's family and kids. And sometimes it's hard to load everybody up and whatever the vehicle is you're taking. I'm talking about, these people were so fired up to be there and add one of the things that as we are watching the room just fill, they ended up closing the doors i think this was a fire marshal concern when they're like hey this is max capacity nobody else can come in so they're turning people away that are trying to get into our breakout session. And in the breakout sessions, there's generally four different breakout sessions happening at the same time. So, at the top of every hour, they kick off a new breakout session, there are different rooms and, Dad, as crowds were pouring in, as our room was filled, you leaned over and you said, this to me is a sign of revival. Because when there are people that are hungry for history, it's an indication that revival and maybe even awakening is happening. You know, I want to come back. And lets you maybe unpack that bag a little bit. Explain that some, why you felt that and thought that. But what was really cool, is when we start our session, we know they're turning people away. We don't know how many people are turning away. And as our session is wrapping up and they wanted to be very prompt, they're done it at 45 after. So, there's 15 minutes for people to clear the room, go to the next place they're going to be. So, the next one starts top of the hour. And it's a very, they're trying to make it a very well-oiled machine. And Turning Point staff came up and said, hey, this has been incredible. There's so many people that want to be here. Would you all mind doing a second round of. This same thing. And so we ended up having two breakout sessions. And the second one, again, max capacity, standing remotely in the back, the room was filled. And so, it was incredible how many people wanted to show up. And here's some thoughts on American history and what we've been getting wrong, on what we should focus on with the 250th coming up, on what are the things we should celebrate? What are the stories we should know? We get into all those details. But Dad, why, why in your mind was part of what we saw like even that breakout session, not, not even including the rest of the weekend yet. Even that breakout section, why? In your mind, was that something maybe indicative of revival or an awakening based on the hunger of people to come and maybe learn true history. 

David Barton [00:04:17] I think if you look at the last 30 years and you had a bunch of breakout sessions of various people and speakers, having one in history would be the least attended one that was possible. And there's just something that seems to happen historically when there's a revival, you go back to your history. Josiah, that was really part of the revival with King Josiah in the Old Testament. They discovered that scroll. They said, look what our history has been, and it led to a national revival. And there tends to be an inclination to go back to who we were, to what we were to what worked before. Let's see who we are and what we can do. And that tends to go parallel with revivals. And that same thing in the first great awakening, where we were talking about the colonial foundations and the Plymouth foundations, et cetera. They would point back to the early settlers in America. So, I just saw that when you start liking history and start coming to history and you start coming in such numbers. And of course, AMFest is tightly scripted. I mean, it's 30,000 people there and they have everything scripted and they need to with all those people and they come and say, hey, we're going to do an extra session. Would you guys do a second session? That's just phenomenal. And just the whole tone and tell. And Tim, I don't know about you, but I had predicted that eight o'clock in the morning was not going to be a big crowd. And it was a massive crowd and it was, it was two timer. So, it was pretty amazing. 

Tim Barton [00:05:38] I thought if we had 50% of the room full, that we would feel good about it. I did not see it coming that it was going to be standing room only and they were going to ask us to do two rounds of it, incredible. But, maybe again, indicative of the fact that God is very much on the move. And there are people wanting to be part of what God is doing in the nation. So, it's really cool, Rick, I know we have to, our good friend Michelle Bachman is waiting for us that we need to get to Michelle and we have a different topic for today. But it's probably worth coming back and revisiting some of what happened at AMFest because there were so many incredible things. 

Rick Green [00:06:14] And in fact, so, so big, I think 50% bigger than, than the biggest one last year. And they've already sent out registrations for December, 2026. So not, not shrinking, not going away, literally growing and already planning for next year. Yeah. Good stuff guys. Okay. Quick break. Yes. Michelle Bachman with us. We we've got, you know, this incredible fraud up in Minnesota and our good friend, Michelle, of course was a Congresswoman up there and, you know, of courses seen this stuff and warned about it for years. And I bet she's glad that finally everybody else is paying attention. So, quick break, we'll be right back. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:07:50]  Welcome back to the WallBuilders show. Thanks for staying with us. Our good friend, former congresswoman, Michelle Bachman, now Dean over at the Regent University School of Government. Dean Bachman, thank you for coming back. So, I never know what to say. Dean, congresswoman, presidential candidate? You've worn many, many, many hats, most importantly, you know, mama, you got, what'd you end up, you had 25? What, what was it? I forget. 

Michelle Bachman [00:08:18] We have five biological children, but we had 23 foster children that we raised in our home too. So 28 kids. So I am the old woman who lived in the shoe. 

Rick Green [00:08:30] I love it. I love. All right, and you spent how many years in Congress? Remind me. 

Michelle Bachman [00:08:34] I was eight years in congress. 

Rick Green [00:08:37] Well, and being, you know, for Minnesota, obviously all of this stuff that's, that's coming out, the, the fraud, the Somali thing. I mean, you saw this coming a long time ago and, and, and called it out. Just kind of give us the history on this and then let's talk solutions. How do we, how do we what are the alternatives to what we're having to deal with? 

Michelle Bachman [00:08:54] Yeah, actually, it went back to the early 1990s with President Bill Clinton. He had an absolute fiasco in Somalia. He had sent U.S. troops into Somalia and with using RPGs, Somalis took down some of our planes and took down took down...There's a famous movie called Black Hawk Down with Meg Ryan. And so, the students could watch that movie just to get a feel of what was going on in Somali at the time. Black Hawk Down is the name of the movie. So, Bill Clinton's antidote to 18 U.S. Marines being killed and dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, the capital of Somalia, was to bring Somalians to America. So, he said, well, let's bring them to America, it's an absolute rat-infested country. It's a terrorist state. And so, he wanted to bring people to one of the most backward, primitive places on earth to America. And not just America, to Minnesota, where we are the most generous welfare state in the country. And so, he began what was a trickle of bringing Somalis into the United States, and he thought, well, let's show them the United States and how great we are, and they're gonna love us. Well, just the opposite. Different cultures have different mindsets. That's what the Bible says, and it's absolutely true. Somalia's mindset, this isn't prejudice. This is an observable fact. They are a fraud-based culture. That's how the people think, that's how they survive. And if you want to see another movie, it's called Captain Phillips, that gives you the mindset of Somalia, the fraud-base mindset. 

Rick Green [00:10:31] So that was Somali pirates in that in that story. 

Michelle Bachman [00:10:34] Yes, and actually when they were casting about looking for actors, they couldn't find any Somali actors that spoke English. So, they actually went to Minneapolis, Minnesota, and they hired people off the streets to be the actors. They turned out to be some very good actors. But, Captain Phillips, watch this movie. It's an incredible movie. It'll bring you to tears because it shows you the mindset of Somalis. So, then the floodgates started to open up through chain migration. And so now we have, no one knows how many Somalis, but it's anywhere from 80,000 to over 100,000 Somalis primarily collected in Minnesota, but they're a fraud-based mindset. So, they're also a familial mindset. They don't think in terms of government, they think in term of clan-based families. So, with a fraud-based mindset, thinking that we're gonna support our families through stealing to help the family. Minnesota was the perfect place for them because we have a bunch of naive people who wanted to have the votes of the Somalis and so the Democrats that have run Minnesota for well over 20 years, decided they would just look the way look the other way while the Somalis were robbing the store. And so, they began early on, in fact, the US government had to shut down the refugee program from Somalia because about 89% of all Somalis were in America illegally. They lied about who they were, including the representative Ilhan Omar. She and her father lied about they were. Her dad was the chief propagandist for the warlord who ran Somalia. I mean, this is an unbelievable story. So, it's really, it's not a billion that they have stolen through fraud. It's more like an excess of $8 billion. So, you and I could spend three hours talking about this. It's an unbelievable story. People need to do the research. I'd be happy to talk to anybody who wants to do the research, it's far worse than what anybody knows or realize or has even reported on yet. 

Rick Green [00:12:36] It's so, I had no idea about just the fraud mentality and fraud culture. I just saw a clip last night of, of Milton Friedman, probably 40 years ago, saying, look, we had, you know, basically open migration in America up until 1914. And he said, you cannot have migration and a welfare state. 

[00:12:55] That's right. That's right.

[00:12:56] That's the combination you just described. 

Michelle Bachman [00:12:58] That's a famous statement from Milton Friedman. It was longer ago than four years ago, but that's the problem and the fact that Minnesota, we are far beyond any other state. As a matter of fact, we added on, the taxpayers of Minnesota, an additional $3,500 per year for each refugee that came into Minnesota. And so, it wasn't just the welfare that we offer. It wasn't that because we pay for everything. We pay for the housing, the medical, the food. We pay their electricity, their air conditioning. We pay absolutely everything. But it's all of the programs that we made available. And this is one dirty secret, let me say. Somalis started opening up their own nonprofits because Minnesota is like a pass-through entity. And so, if a person creates a nonprofit, then we fully fund your nonprofit. So, you have practically every Somali has their own nonprofit. They pay themselves a salary and they live out of that nonprofit. So, you see young Somalis in their early 20s driving around in Lincoln Navigators, brand new vehicles, because it's paid for by their nonprofit. It goes on and on and you cannot believe the fraud that is going on in Minnesota right now. And none of it's been shut down. Even despite all of the attention, none of it's been shut down. 

Rick Green [00:14:25] Okay, actually that's not all bad Michelle, because what I just heard you say is that I moved to Minnesota that Patriot Academy can now get me a Lincoln Navigator instead of my 2011 Dodge Ram that's got 330,000 miles on it. 

Michelle Bachman [00:14:39] Go ahead and try, but don't let the, you might want to change your name to a Somali sounding name and then check the box that says that you're non-white and then you'll probably be able to get away with it. 

Rick Green [00:14:50] Yeah, no. And by the way, yes, I said 40 years. Milton Friedman's comment was 40 years ago. Yes, that's right. But yes, what does it take then? What's the mechanism for shutting this down? How do we turn this around? 

Michelle Bachman [00:15:05] Honestly, I think that we require the federal government because what we've seen for well over 20 years is that the entire state is run by Democrats. It's a one-party state. They've had no accountability for years, and so they've gotten full of themselves. They're arrogant and prideful. And so, they think that they're invincible, that they'll never be found out. So right now, they're actually in the denial stage. And so, they are being even more emboldened. You see a lot of TikTok videos with young Somali males. Saying, basically, come and get me and one young male last week did a TikTok video saying that he was going to pop the ice agents that they come to his town. In other words, he's going to kill him. So, they're saying, hey, we're going to take you over because they believe, like a lot of Muslims do, that we're gonna conquer you. And that's what they see. They see that we are so stupid in the state of Minnesota that the Muslims, those who subscribe to Islam, are going to over the state. They're not wrong. Because they've been able to advance. And so now they're in the process of trying to take over one political office after another. Ilhan Omar was a Muslim, obviously, who went to Congress, but also our attorney general is someone that I went to congress with. So, the same year that our governor, Tim Walz, and our attorney general, Keith Ellison, went to Congress. That's the year I went, so the three of us, can you imagine a more different group of people that the Minnesota citizens sent to Congress, me, Tim Walz, and Keith Ellison? Keith Ellison is a Muslim, and he's gone completely quiet now, but there's audio of him with Muslims in a private meeting saying that he would cover for them. And another memo just came out that Senator John Kennedy just read on the floor of the Senate last week. And it was the legislative auditors saying that the reason why the Democrats would do nothing about the fraud and crime in Minnesota with Somalis is because they were one of their constituent groups and they didn't want to lose votes from Somalis. So, it's, I mean, we've got them red handed. We need the federal government to send lawyers in now and the department of justice, and really, they should be auditing every program that has federal money, because I'm telling you. Every federal program has been defrauded by this community and then we need to deport them. That's what we have to do. 

Rick Green [00:17:36] That was my next question for you, that this whole concept of remigration and reverse migration and Trump. 

Michelle Bachman [00:17:44] Oh yeah. Because that's federal law now. If a person comes into the country and defrauds any of our programs, then they need to be stripped of their naturalization and deported. So, we can take someone like Ilhan Omar, a member of Congress, who defrauded the US government, either by marrying her brother, she did that to get him illegally into the country, or there's so many other things that she defraud. So, there's ample basis to strip her naturalization and deport her. She thinks she's above it all. She doesn't think it'll ever happen to her, but no one is above it. And so that's why we, if I, if it was up to me, I would say use Minnesota as your test case and just bore down into all the programs in Minnesota, do massive deportation, which they legally could do that would send the song, the loudest signal to Islamic terrorists that you will not succeed in the United States. 

Rick Green [00:18:40] But Michelle, I thought Omar was the victim. I mean, you know, if we crack down on this fraud, she won't be able to fund. 

Michelle Bachman [00:18:46] She only has one MO, she only has one MO, she lied last week and she said that her son was profiled and pulled over by an ICE agent. ICE said it never happened. But this is what they do, just like you saw in Australia after this horrible shooting at Bondi beach in Sydney, Australia, where 15 or 16 Jews were killed on the beach, mercilessly gunned down. What happens is they portray the Muslims, the shooters, as the victims. That is going on now in Australia. It's going on here in the United States. It's the same song and dance. They're the ones who are the perpetrators, but they portray themselves as the victim. 

Rick Green [00:19:26] One more question and we'll be out of time, but you mentioned the housing issue. I mean, this is, if you think 50, what is a 54 million foreign born in America now and 25 million or more that are illegals, I mean this is the housing problem. If we actually did reverse migration, if we deported 10 to 20 million illegals wouldn't that help with the housing cost problem in America right now? 

Michelle Bachman [00:19:48] Oh, a hundred percent. A study just came out this last week, just for example, in Minnesota, that of the Somalis that have come in, nearly every household is still on welfare. After being here for decades, they never get off welfare. And this is something I didn't know. When a person, until I got out of Congress, when a person gets on section eight housing, that's a federal government housing subsidy program. Once a person gets on, they never get off. They never have to prove the need ever again. And so, I can imagine that with section eight housing, for instance, here in Minnesota. That there are probably Somalis who are subletting their apartment to other people and they're pocketing the money while they move into some suburban house. So, when you have all these people that are not able to afford to pay for their own housing, we have to pay it, that drives up the cost. It's all supply and demand. And so, yes, you bet, it's true all over America. I'm just giving you the example from Minnesota. But it's the same principle that applies in every state in America. If you have a true free market where you have people who are bidding for housing on the open market, but everybody is working for it, it isn't artificially paid for by a third party like government or some nonprofit that's paid for it by government. Then you have an actual true value on housing. But when government or a... A nonprofit subsidized by government is paying for that housing, then that's artificially bids up the cost of housing and it makes it far more expensive for entry level young people to buy their first houses. 

Rick Green [00:21:36] It's actually amazing, Michelle, that our economy is still even halfway strong. I mean, if you think of all of the burdens on the economy because of taking that money from working people, running it through government and this massive welfare state that we've got and all this fraud that we're finding out about, it's shocking that we are even, you know, trudging along as we are. Imagine what happens if we take that boot of government off the neck, if we took that all the time. 

Michelle Bachman [00:22:01] Well, you're right, and you've probably already studied this with your students at Patriot Academy. If you take a line of demarcation through about 1964 or 1965, with the imposition of what was called the Great Society, Congress passed this under President Lyndon Baines Johnson, that was the beginning of the massive government-fueled welfare state. And you can go from that year. Forward and see how costs exploded. Life was so affordable that a family could live on one income easily. That's what families did. It isn't that they were living expensively, but they could live on one-income and have a home. That was a very reasonable expectation. After that, government artificially pumped up the costs on everything. Health care. Food, housing, everything exploded in cost and it's because government artificially inserted itself as the one who picked winners and losers that they would subsidize. So, who had to end up paying for it? It's just redistribution of costs. And so, the people who were paying for their own costs before then had to pay not only for their own but for other people too. And so, this has exploded since about 1964 and 1965. 

Rick Green [00:23:23] Yeah, hopefully we're reaching a point where people are fed up enough that we can finally make some of the big changes on this. Michelle Bachman, thank you for joining us on Wall Builders today. 

Michelle Bachman [00:23:30] Thank you so much. 

[00:23:32] That was Michelle Bachman, David and Tim, of course, you know, we've known Michelle for years and years and you know for her to have had to deal with all of that years ago. And I think it was hilarious the way she was laying out who she represented, who else was with her in Congress while she was in Congress from the state of Minnesota. Crazy 

David Barton [00:23:50] hearing what she's saying about Somalia. I want to go back to AMFest for a second because one of the media interviews We don't media row they asked about birthright citizenship and when I was talking there It was well birthright Citizenship we didn't used to have to worry about that because when you came to America you wanted to be in America in the rest of your life It wasn't come and get be born here and then go to some different country and live there until you can come back and get the benefits and money. It was I want be committed. And in some ways when I look at the Somalia If I can go back to immigration for just a minute, it was very much like, I wanna get married to you and spend the rest of my life with you. I wanna be committed to you, I wanna spend the life together. And what's happening now is we have people coming in and say, hey, I don't wanna live with you, I wanna to get all the riches I can from you, all the wealth, everything I can, but I don't wanna be a contributor or be part of this relationship. And that's something brand new in our mentality, quite frankly. 

Tim Barton [00:24:41] Rick, I love the fact that you guys talked about Milton Friedman because I literally watched that video this weekend where Milton Friedmann says that immigration, actually open borders, aren't even a bad thing if you don't have welfare program. If people come here and they freely are choosing to come because they want to come earn and produce and contribute, he said that is no problem. But when you allow whatever level of migration and you are giving a welfare check to anybody that comes, he says then the immigration will destroy your nation if you are giving immigrants welfare. And this is literally what we are seeing happen. And of course, with this fraud has been going on up in Minnesota and you know Michelle was pointing out how many billions it was.  I saw numbers up to ten billion. And it's all speculative right now because we don't actually know how far this fraud goes. But certainly, this is, Dad, to your point with even the birthright citizenship thought. It's so different than it used to be, because it used to be that birthrights citizenship came when the parents came to America then the kids who were born in America had citizenship but it came through the parents who were coming to America and becoming legal citizens not having a baby here and the whole family becomes a citizen through the baby. So, we've totally reversed that notion of birthright citizen what it means but of course. Is going to be significant with the Supreme Court case with what Donald Trump is trying to do, changing some of that back to maybe a little closer to what it used to be. But guys, it is crazy what's been going on in Minnesota, and I'm so grateful for Michelle giving us a little bit of a breakdown in her perspective on some of what she sees in Minnesota. 

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