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Why Chasing Net Zero Raises Costs And Keeps People Poor

Tim Barton, David Barton & Rick Green

Power you can count on changes everything—health, safety, jobs, and whether a storm becomes a headline or a hardship. We sit down with energy expert and former Texas legislator Jason Isaac to unpack why so many grids feel fragile despite record spending, and how policy signals have steered capital into intermittent capacity that often fails when demand spikes. From Texas’ post‑Uri reality to Europe’s price shocks, we connect real‑world outcomes to the engineering underneath the buzzwords.

Jason walks us through how subsidies per megawatt‑hour shape the buildout of wind, solar, and batteries, and why installed capacity is not the same as dependable generation. We cover land use tradeoffs, the true cost of storage, and the rising urgency for firm power sources such as advanced thermal and nuclear. Along the way, we examine Germany’s industrial retrenchment, the high price of electricity for households, and what happens when companies move production to countries with looser environmental and labor standards. Energy policy is not a spreadsheet exercise; it’s an industrial strategy that touches every family budget.

The conversation turns to human stakes often left out of climate debates. Cold kills more than heat when bills soar and homes can’t stay warm. In the developing world, energy poverty keeps children like Aisha walking for water instead of learning after school—proof that access to affordable, reliable electricity is a human rights issue. We challenge popular narratives, ask hard questions about “net zero” pledges, and argue for a path that values reliability, cost, and environmental stewardship together. If you care about keeping the lights on and lifting people out of poverty, this one’s for you.

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Rick Green [00:00:07] You found your way to the intersection of faith and culture. That is the WallBuilders Show. It's where we take on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. And we're going to take you out to the Pro Family Legislators Conference where David and Tim hosted hundreds of legislators from across the nation and their spouses and a lot of think tanks and other groups coming in to discuss the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. And that happened just a few weeks ago. If you're a longtime listener of WallBuilders, you know that every year we host this conference, and these legislators come in and they exchange ideas. They hear from all kinds of speakers, teaching them on all kinds of subjects in order to get them equipped and and prepared for their next legislative session, but also just to give them a respite, give them a break, give them a chance to have some good iron sharpening iron social interaction with like-minded folks. Honestly, some good spiritual renewal. We have incredible dinner speakers like Tim Brooks and others that really are just masters at you know, the Holy Spirit using them to encourage these legislators. I don't listen, if you if you're not a legislator, you've never been a legislator, you've never been in an elected office. I'm just telling you, and I only serve two terms in the Texas House. Ran for Supreme Court a couple times, barely lost those races. So been on a campaign trail a lot, but also served in in the legislature. And some people think, oh, it's just all shrimp and caviar and everything's all nice, and everybody tells you how wonderful you are. And it's actually a beating. I mean, it is, it is a rough. In tumble sport. It is an environment where you're in the you know in the limelight all the time you're constantly having people wanting something from you you're constantly having to run for office, constantly having to raise money, constantly being attacked. It wears you down. Okay. I'm just, you know, telling you the blunt side of what it's like to be in office like that. And so, when you can come together with other people that have been there, done that, they they're going through the same thing or they've been through that and have them encourage you. And then you have incredible encouragers and teachers and people like David Barton and Tim Barton and Glenn Beck and Tim Brooks and all of these others that we that we bring to these events, it just does a lot to give you that energy going into the next session. Now the reason I said all that is same thing I said yesterday, I'm encouraging you to be thinking about next year's legislators conference and who you can help send, your state rep, your state senator, somebody in your area that you know would also benefit from this type of an environment. So, tell them about it. Send them to the WallBuilders website where they can learn more about it and give them a chance to experience this. So today what we're gonna do is we're gonna pick up where we left off yesterday and for a couple more days we're gonna share some other presentations with you from the Pro Family Legislators Conference. But yesterday we did the first half of a presentation from my friend Jason Isaac. Now as I said yesterday if you missed yesterday's program Jason was a state rep in Texas. He actually served and represented the district that I used to represent. The district I I I represented 25 years ago. He represented about 15 years ago. And his wife is now the legislator there. That was our home for 30 years, right there in Dripping Springs, Texas. But anyway, Jason, after he got out of the legislature, went and worked for an organization in Texas called Texas Public Policy Foundation, became one of the top experts in the nation on energy, and is now the CEO of American Energy Institute. And so the Bartons had him out this year to the Pro Family Legislators Conference to talk about energy and where we're going with this and what the right policies are and how to have a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective on these things. And so, we wanted to share that with you, our WallBuilders audience, because it is a very important topic for all of us to become more knowledgeable about. So, if you missed yesterday, that's the first half of the presentation from Jason. You can get that at our website right now at wallbuilders.show. That's our radio site. You can always pick up any programs that you might have missed by going to wallbuilders.show. And you can share them from that site as well and encourage you to do that. So, if you missed yesterday, go listen to it at the website, wallbuilders.show. And then when today's program is over, take both programs and share it with your friends and family. So, we're we're gonna go, we're gonna pick up where we left off yesterday. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. You're listening to the WallBuilders Show. 

 

Rick Green [00:05:34] Welcome back to the Wallbuilders Show. As I said, we'll jump right in where we left off yesterday. Here's Jason Isaac speaking at the Pro Family Legislators Conference. 

 

Jason Isaac [00:05:41] You look at the amount of subsidies that wind and solar receive. This is from 2010 to 2023, over $60 a megawatt hour for solar electric generation, is the subsidies they receive. Wind is nearly $20. We used to sell electricity for $20 a megawatt hour. It's gone up significantly now. But when people are saying, oh, oil and gas get subsidies, when you break it down, and this includes tax credits. So, we did apples to apples. We wanted to have a very strict comparison here. When people say oil and gas get subsidies, and I've talked to I've been in the White House with an oil and gas CEO yelling at me, telling me he doesn't get subsidies. And I said, well, we included tax credits, and there are tax credits that everybody can get that's in business because we wanted to have a true comparison. But look at the amount when it's compared to an actual unit of energy created. And these on the bottom that give barely any subsidies or tax advantages at all actually produce electricity when we need them, not just when the weather cooperates. And you look at what's happened is we've added more unreliables, as I fondly call them, wind, solar, and batteries now make up more than half of the grid in Texas. More than half of the installed capacity. They don't make up half the generation, believe me, but they make up half of the installed capacity of the grid here in Texas. In 2021, during winter storm Uri, it was 33%. We're at a greater risk now. We're spending $130 billion. Over the last 10 years, the m I say we we're spending really the market is directing money towards things that don't work. They're calling it economic development. This is something that when I was in the legislature and supported tax advantages for economic development, including wind and solar. I'm now on my tour asking for forgiveness because I've learned that this economic development was really a misallocation of funds. We were pushing money into a market when 130 billion dollars was way overspending. We could have spent $10 billion. We could have directed the market to spend $10 billion on affordable, reliable thermal electric generation, and winter storm Ure would have been a blip. There'd have been an outage for a couple of hours, not four days. But this is what's happened. We've had this misallocation of funds. We're pulling coal out of the grid to the detriment of affordable, reliable energy. And what's happening? Costs are skyrocketing. These are planned early coal retirements in the United States. We produce coal. I've been in a coal mine just in the last September, end of September. I've been in coal fired power plants. It was just an announcement last week that the coal-fired power plant I was in in September in Wyoming is actually going to double its capacity. We are building new coal in this country. We're keeping old coal from shutting down because of our current administration. And again, because of that pollution control technology that we use, we're world leaders in clean air. Bag houses and scrubbers capture everything. And if you're concerned about CO2 in the environment, it's 0.04%. There's research that shows there's no correlation between CO2 and any changing temperatures whatsoever. We've been completely misled. When you look at graphs that show how much greenhouse gasses are in the atmosphere, they conveniently leave out water. Six times more prevalent in the atmosphere than CO2 and more of a heat trapping gas. I guess politicians in DC haven't figured out how to do subsidies for large-scale industrial dehumidifiers. I hope I'm not giving anyone any ideas here, but that would actually have more of a cooling effect. If you're worried about warming, I'm certainly not because people move to warm climates and they excel. They prosper; they flourish. But if you want to I have this vision of having AOC and Ted Cruz on the border and announcing the Green New Wall. We're gonna we're gonna do border security and the Green New Deal all at the same time. We're gonna build a wall of solar panels 1,954 miles long. It'll produce 10% of our nation's electricity when the sun's shining. I mean, it's a win-win, right? No one would ever cross it. No one would ever cross it because to produce 10% of our nation's electricity with a 1,954-mile wall of solar panels, it would be a mile wide. So, you think about the left always talks about the destruction and loss of habitat as the greatest threat to species. But yet they're advocating for wind when you compare that to nuclear, it takes up 115 times the amount of land. Talking about solar, it's 27 times the amount of destroyed land, and we're taking good farmland because of the subsidies to produce solar, which again only works when the sun is shining. And people say, oh, batteries are the answer. Coal, you can get coal fired electricity for three cents a kilowatt. It may not make it to your meter for that cheap, but that's how much it's being produced for. Batteries are over four hundred dollars for the same amount of electricity. Four hundred dollars or three cents. What would you rather pay? We have not let economics work in our favor. We've been sold a bill of goods and we're reversing that. This is in the first Trump administration. 

 

President Trump [00:10:44] Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it does not immediately change course. 

 

Jason Isaac [00:10:53] I love that. I've joked that if Germany could be powered with smug, they'd have an unlimited supply because that delegation were just shaking their heads. They were laughing as the translation was coming through. But look at what's happening in Germany. World's leading chemical company, BASF, is cutting back at its main site, citing high energy costs. Guess what? They're moving the operations to China, a country that could care less about the environment or human rights. And I love this one. Germany is now actually waking up to the realization they need affordable and reliable power. So, they're taking down wind turbines to get to the coal underneath. 

 

Rick Green [00:11:29] Got to interrupt, folks. Quick break. We'll be right back. That voice you've been hearing is Jason Isaac speaking at the Pro Family Legislators Conference on Energy. We will be right back to get back into his presentation. By the way, Jason, CEO of American Energy Institute. You can learn more about them by going to americanenergyinstitute.com. All right, stay with us. We'll be right back on the WallBuilders Show. 

 

Rick Green [00:12:57] We're back on the WallBuilders Show, jumping right back in with Jason Isaac, former state representative from Texas, founder and CEO of the American Energy Institute. You can learn more at americanenergyinstitute.com. Let's jump in with Jason. 

 

Jason Isaac [00:13:09] If polar bears are the barometric measurement of the climate, it's like mission accomplished. Where's the banner? Because in the 70s there was less than 10,000. Today there's over 40,000 polar bears. I joke, and maybe I'm a little bit serious. Many truth said in jest that this is why Russia is invading Ukraine because polar bears are invading towns in Russia on the northern side. This is a true headline. I'm not joking about this. Yes, polar bears invade a town. This happened in Russia. They're moving south. They're bears. They go to where trash are, and where trash is are humans and there's food, but there's a lot of them now. So again, if that's the environmental barometric measurement mission accomplished, but I'd be careful going to Greece. This is another true headline. You won't be surprised. This is on CNN. Why some scientists think extreme heat could be the reason people keep disappearing in Greece? Like, whoo, they're gone. Careful. Apparently, it's hot in Greece. But if you look at what's happening from deaths from weather-related events, they're actually down 99% over the last hundred years while our population has quadrupled. I was just reading something in the headlines today, again, talking about extreme heat being the largest killer of people, and it's like the smallest extreme cold is freezing deaths are on the rise in Europe because energy costs are increasing astronomically. Germany has the most expensive electricity rates. The UK is now having to do subsidies on top of subsidies to reduce relieve people from their high electric bills. But extreme cold, 60,000 people will die in the United Kingdom this year from being subjected to extreme cold for long periods of time. They don't get to keep their thermostats where they can actually be warm because they can't afford it. And if you're worried about CO2 in the atmosphere, then we need more of it. Because right now it's again 0.04%. Greenhouses will actually pump up their CO2 concentrations to be four times what they are in the atmosphere, probably close to what they are in this room right now, which is about 1,200 to 1,600 parts per million. The atmosphere is 400 parts per million, and it moves up and down significantly throughout the year as the growing season happens and the growing season stops. But look at the storms. There's actually a decrease in the strength and severity of storms. We got all the way through almost the entire hurricane season without having a hurricane this year. It was unprecedented. So I think that's a good thing. And if we're increasing CO2 concentrations and hurricanes are going down, more power to us. Again, more research that shows the effect of man-made contributions of CO2 do not have any impact or minimal impact on the environment, on temperature fluctuation over the last 200 years. If you're concerned about fire forest fires, those numbers are significantly down, even with bad policies in California and Canada, where they've told forestry companies to stay out of our forests. Oh, and I like to scuba dive. I love the Great Barrier Reef. I've never been, but I've been to others. And I read this in two thousand and fourteen. This was the obituary for the Great Barrier Reef. And they said if we don't reduce emissions radically, it's gonna it won't survive. Well, we didn't reduce emissions, we actually increased them. We pulled people out of poverty over the same time frame. People living in abject poverty went from forty percent to less than ten percent around the globe because they're getting access to energy. We didn't reduce emissions, and sorry, leftist, the Great Barrier Reef has never been better. There's more now more live coverage of the barrier reef than there's ever been measured before. This is a good thing. We are winning, and man is flourishing. I'm a big Apple products fan. I like Apple products. I don't necessarily like the ideology behind the company, but I saw this commercial, I think it was during the Super Bowl. 

 

Lisa Jackson [00:16:45] Our aim is to permanently remove carbon from the apps. 

 

Jason Isaac [00:16:49] We're all dead. We're all dead. We're gonna permanently remove carbon from the atmosphere. I'm a carbon-based life form. That includes me. Like Apple wants to kill all of its customers. Like, come on, this is Lisa Jackson from the Obama's EPA. She should know that carbon is life. Oh, and this is our my I love this senator from Louisiana, John Kennedy. 

 

Senator John Kennedy [00:17:10] Maybe I'm not being clear. If we spent fifty trillion dollars to become carbon neutral by two thousand and fifty in the United States of America, how much is that going to reduce world temperature? 

 

Speaker 8 [00:17:23] This is a global problem. So, we need to reduce our emissions and we need to do everything we can. 

 

Senator John Kennedy [00:17:27] How much if we do our part is he going to reduce world? 

 

[00:17:31] Where thirteen percent of global emissions are. 

 

Senator John Kennedy [00:17:32] You don't know, do you? You don't know, do you? 

 

[00:17:35] You can do the math. We need to. 

 

Senator John Kennedy [00:17:37] You don't know, do you, Mr. Secretary? 

 

Jason Isaac [00:17:40] I love that clip of him. I could play that to my kids when I ask them questions. That was during the Obama administration or that was actually during the Biden administration, but it was during the Obama administration that the bureaucrats of the EPA put in this thing called the endangerment finding that says CO two is a h is harmful to the environment and human health. Something that's necessary for life on earth, something that I'm ingesting higher concentration than what's in the atmosphere, the Obama administration thought was harmful to human health. The Trump administration, Administrator Zeldon at the EPA are moving to rescind the endangerment finding because they know CO2 is necessary for life on Earth. That is the foundation for which any climate policy stands on. 

 

Rick Green [00:18:23] Alright folks, last time I gotta interrupt Jason, we'll be right back. Gotta take a quick break. You're listening to the Wallbuilders Show. 

 

Rick Green [00:20:36] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Let's jump back in with Jason Isaac and his conclusion for his presentation to the Pro Family Legislators Conference. 

 

Jason Isaac [00:20:44] If you want to know what net zero looks like, this is what net zero looks like. This is who net zero hurts around the world. This is another UNICEF video. I'm sure when they put this together they never thought some guy that loves fossil fuels and nuclear energy would be using it to his advantage, but I certainly am. This is Aisha, she's a thirteen-year-old girl, lives in Ethiopia, and Ethiopia's net carbon emissions are zero. They have no economic development. The World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the World Economic Forum, The UN, globalist entities around the world will not allow funds into Ethiopia if they're investing in infrastructure based on hydrocarbons. No natural gas power for Ethiopia? No coal for Ethiopia? Keeping people in abject poverty. Showed this to a congressional staffer who had done missionary work in Ethiopia, and she looked at me and she says, do you know what technology Aisha has access to? And I'm a naive American and I said a cell phone. She says, No. Bill Gates, this person who's become a climate realist now in the last week. The Gates Foundation funds a program through the UN where they provide long term implantable birth control and little girls like Aisha. Again, I'm a naive American and I'm thinking, why would a thirteen-year-old girl need long term implantable birth control? And this person that I was speaking with had experience doing missionary work there and she said because they know she's going to be attacked on her journey. 'Cause she spends eight hours a day walking to collect water. Aisha doesn't get to do homework like her little brother does, and there's two reasons for that. And one, she's a woman. And number two, she has to collect water for her family. And I think that's absolutely heartbreaking. And I think people like Bill Gates and Antonio Gutierrez and Klaus Schwab, these globalist elites, self-righteous individuals, should be called before a human rights tribunal to answer their crimes against humanity. And if you're a legislator and you have a business that comes into your office, I think one of the first questions you should ask them is do you have a commitment to net zero or do you have a commitment to the Paris Accords? And if their business says yes, then you should just tell them kindly to leave their office because that is anti-American, it is anti-human, and it does nothing to mitigate a changing climate. It drives up the cost, it keeps people like Aisha in poverty, and you certainly don't support that. There are no low energy rich countries, and we can truly end poverty around the world with the access to affordable and reliable energy. Climate nuisance lawsuits are happening around the country. There are over two dozen cases happening right now where judges have been tainted by the Environmental Law Institute, a nonprofit out of DC that was just discovered recently they're receiving money from the EPA. That's getting pulled. But they're out there suing energy companies, saying that they're causing weather changes. Multiple of these cases have been thrown out, but they're progressing in Hawaii and Boulder, Colorado. It's just gonna result in higher cost for energy around the world. If you want to know why China doesn't care about decarbonization, it's because they already have a communist government. I'll try to end on a high note there and remember keep living the high carbon lifestyle and hope that the rest of the world does too. Again, I'm Jason Isaac. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Appreciate your service and what you're doing. God bless. 

 

Rick Green [00:24:02] Well, folks, thanks for listening to today. You've been listening to the WallBuilders Show, actually sharing a presentation from our Pro Family Legislators Conference. It actually only, you know, once a year at we have a chance to get all these legislators together. They get to hear from all these great speakers. Jason Isaac being one of those this year. A lot of other great presentations that we want to share with you. And so, we're gonna do a couple of those over the next couple of days, Wednesday and Thursday. Then we'll of course have our good news Friday on Friday, and then, you know, throughout the Christmas holidays and even into the first of next year, once in a while we'll drop one of these presentations in on you. And it and it's I mean, it's a lot of great people. I'm telling you, I think this legislators conference has become the best legislators conference in the country, no doubt about it. I when I was a legislator, it was pretty much just two major conferences, NCSL and ALEC. We started the Pro Family Legislators Conference because I just kept running into all of these state reps and senators and others across the country that said they ran for office because they read David Barton's book, Original Intent, or because they saw America's Godly Heritage, or they listened to the WallBuilders radio program, or you know, something that WallBuilders was doing and that David Barton was doing had caused them to run. And so, I thought, well, man, I mean, you got all these people that you know, are in office because WallBuilders influenced them in that way, and David Barton influenced them in that way. So, let's get our own legislators conference together. I bet they'd come. And that's what happened. We started that man, it's been twenty twenty or twenty-one years ago. And now it's grown tremendously. And a lot of that is because of Audrea Decker. She took over running, you know, the day-to-day of it and and just has done a phenomenal job. Christine Steadman did a great job running it that those first ten or twelve years and grew it and grew it and then Audrea came in and man, it's just it's phenomenal what has happened. And I think it also has something to do with the movement in the country. There's more and more people that want to understand biblical citizenship. They want to be good biblical citizens, and when they get into office, they want to make sure they're governing as biblical citizens. So, it's become the premier legislative gathering in the country. Tell your legislators about it, and then of course we will continue to share with you some of the great speakers that have been that have been sharing with the legislators. So, in the in the coming days and weeks, you'll hear from Matt Staver and even some of the legislators themselves that presented this year and other great leaders like Jaco Booyens and Bill Federer and just a lot of cool people that are gonna we're gonna be sharing with you over the next few days. So, hope you enjoy it. And again, if you miss any of these programs, wallbuilders.show, easiest place to pick up one of the shows that you missed and always share it with your friends and family. Be a force multiplier. I'm Rick Green, you've been listening to the WallBuilders Show.