Rick Green [00:00:08] Welcome to the intersection of Faith and Culture is a WallBuilders Show. And just want to recognize right up front today is National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk. Erika will be at the White House today receiving the Medal of Freedom on behalf of Charlie. And man, what a what what big events are happening this week, Tim. Of course, Tim Barton here with me. I'm Rick Green, and we got David out there on the road still. But Tim yesterday, Columbus Day, Bill Federer was with us and gave us a quick history on all of that. Pretty cool. 

Tim Barton [00:00:35] Yeah, and and really great that we had a president, it was I think it was last Friday, who signed an executive order bringing Columbus Day back when of course we had President Biden before, who was wanting to honor the indigenous people on Indigenous People's Day instead of Columbus Day. And and and I'm actually up at Boston right now, doing a bus tour trip with our friends the wild men's and and a lot of great people up here, Stephen McDowell. But one of the things I told the bus is look, I'm not against on Columbus Day, we were talking about it. And I'm not against it celebrating indigenous people. If it wasn't for Squanto, the pilgrims wouldn't have survived. If it wasn't for Pocahontas, Jamestown wouldn't have survived. But there is some context to this, and we're saying cancel Columbus and let's celebrate all indigenous people. Well, not all indigenous people were nice or good people or should be celebrated. So there is context to it. And even along those lines, one of the things that should be celebrated is President Trump helping bring peace over in Israel at the release of the 20 hostages. So many good things happening. And in the midst of this, we really could make it a good news Friday. But our friend Rob McCoy, we have talked to him and about him much. And he was over in South Korea. We we talked about it while he was over there. We've been texting with him and calling him, trying to find a time when we can get him on the program to give us some update of what's been going on, which is gonna happen shortly. We we're gonna bring him in in just a second, but I'm also curious too, or you know, Rick, one of the things that people have brought up with President Trump talking about Christianity, and you know, I'm not sure that I've done a good enough thing to get to heaven, I'm not gonna make it whatever else. I just thought, you know, it would be interesting. Obviously, Erika is gonna be very much in the zone of honoring your husband, and it's gonna be an incredible moment. But Charlie and Erica were both people who were very open with their faith, even around the president. And and I am just very curious how God is going to allow some of this dynamic to work going forward, where there's gonna be people like Erika Kirk who are going to speak some biblical truth to the president, where not only is he gonna be one of the best friends and defenders of religious liberty and even Christianity to some extent, but that maybe he'll really understand what salvation of Christianity is and kind of understand how that works and maybe not have to question whether or not he's gonna go to heaven. Not to digress, because we don't have much time before we really need to get to Rob because he's waiting on the other line. Let's let's get Rob in, but we can maybe talk about this more on the other side. 

Rick Green [00:03:12] Yeah, it's so cool. And it and there's so many great people around the president to to feed that, you know, that information and to and to basically preach the gospel to him on these incredible things that that he's saying. All right, quick break, we'll be right back. Rob McCoy, our special guest today, you're listening to the WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:04:33] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Rob McCoy back with us. Always good to have Pastor Rob McCoy. Hey man. Love you, brother. Thanks for coming back on. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:04:40] Thanks, Rick. I'm happy to be with you. 

Rick Green [00:04:42] Bro, you've been everywhere. I mean, South Korea twice in in just the last couple of months. Just got back. I'm real excited to hear about what's going on over there. Enjoyed being with you on on Flashpoint and cut getting a little bit of a of an update on on that whole scenario. But man, a lot of people right now sensing, you know, revival in America, but seems to be all over the country. What are your thoughts? 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:05:04] Yeah. I mean, you know, with with Charlie's martyrdom, it's it's sparked a not just an awakening but a revival. 

Rick Green [00:05:15] Yeah. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:05:15] And and it's and it's the it's young people, which is thrilling. And of course there's forces at work that are trying to quench that. And and it's just it's sad. But but God God is gonna see through it and it's it's it's a pretty exciting time. I'm blessed by it.

Rick Green [00:05:33] Well, it's also well, since you alluded to it, I mean, it's a separate you is separating the weed from the shaft time too. I mean, it's it it is very sad for for a lot of people out there that are just grifting and just wanting to get people to click and be significant. So they, you know, have to be different, right? They've got to make up something or they've gotta have a different take on everything just so that they get their their clicks. And it just takes away from the mom the momentum, or or at least it's an attempt to take away from the momentum. The momentum is unreal. I've never seen anything like this. I just had a conversation yesterday with a a guy that's one of our supporters here in in Fredericksburg, Texas, and his daughters who are, you know, somewhere else in the country, Idaho and one in California, and they never really paid attention to any of this stuff, and he didn't even know who Charlie was. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:06:17] Yeah. 

Rick Green [00:06:17] And now he's, you know, going down the the the Charlie rabbit hole and watching all the videos and and getting discipled and his daughters have completely woken up and that multiply that by millions, these people that are literally being discipled as they watch these videos and are learning what it looks like to apply the Bible to every area of life. I mean, it's remarkable. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:06:37] I I'd be cautious of calling it the Charlie rabbit hole. Rabbit holes are, you know, where you go to get crazy. When you when you start digging into the the archives of Charlie's work, you hit a goldmine. 

Rick Green [00:06:47] That's right, absolutely. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:06:48] That's what happened with with that. They they start- hearing Charlie in his own words instead of what the media said about him and all of a sudden they realize this guy is remarkable and they hit a gold mine. 

Rick Green [00:07:00] Oh well, I mean, goodness, man, I mean I remember when you sat Charlie and me down four years ago at the beginning of Turning Point Faith, and I thought, okay, this kid's, you know, young, I don't know what's gonna happen with all this fame and fortune and you know, you know, influence and power and all those kind of things. And man, I'm telling you, I'm learning from videos. I I saw one of the videos that that really impacted me was his his commitment to the Sabbath and and you know, just so many things at at you know, 31 years old that that he through those videos is now still teaching in death even more so than in life with the with the reach. So, you know, God's plan incredible. And I've watched some of your videos just talking about it, and it's it's so true, man. And and I guess this wasn't really our topic today. We got to get to Korea, but being a Calvary Chapel pastor and having seen the movements, you know, what is in your opinion that kind of the linchpin difference between a Jesus revolution, a revival without enough discipleship to really impact the culture and what we have at our fingertips right now with the wind to our back, how do we disciple this time instead of this just being a wave that we ride for a little while? Does that make sense? 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:08:13] Yeah, it does. You know, Calvary Chapel started nineteen sixty-seven with Chuck Smith, and in in nineteen sixty-seven, sixty-eight, you had Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who was shot on a balcony in Memphis, Tennessee, and Bobby Kennedy was shot by Sir Han Sirhan in LA. You had the Melee Massacre, the Ted offensive, you had the Kent State shooting. And and and the nation was in turmoil, and young people were were disillusioned with the church, and they checked out of the church and into experimental or Eastern religions and experimental drug use. And they and they ended up a wash on the shores of California. And and Chuck Smith and Kay Smith and all those that were a participant in the Jesus Revolution, they avoided politics because the kids were burned out, and they just they they taught the Bible verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book. The the the adage was they kept the the plain thing the main thing and the main thing the plain thing. And and they brought in contemporary music, marinatha music, syncopated rhythms, and it and it exploded. And and Calvary Chapel saw a a revival, and so did churches across the country. Yeah. And and they they came into the church, they were discipled in the word of God, and 10,000 percent growth since 1967. Wow the lion share of those churches are you know, a lot of them are in California. But Chuck avoided politics. And and and so, like, you know, from south of Van Nuys down to the Mexican border, there's more Calvary chapels that I think than there are Duncan Donuts. And and and Chuck avoided that and and you know, 10,000 percent growth, the lion's share of it. In 67, 68, California, Reagan was governor. You you it was a conservative state. We had the what, fourth, fifth largest GDP? And we just finished the California Aqueduct, which was a marvel in civil engineering, bringing the snowfall from the Sierras to the most fertile farmland in the U.S. I mean, the San Joaquin Valley produces more cotton than the entire South combined. And so the the the state was on it was doing great, and all of a sudden we start, you know, preaching the gospel and calling for people to come to Christ, and we had the harvest crusades with Greg Laurie. And now there's what eighteen hundred, maybe twenty one hundred Calvary chapels worldwide. But what what is it done with over fifty years of preaching the gospel but avoiding politics? California isn't the fourth, or just GDP, we're now the like fifth or sixth, but we have the highest gas tax, sales tax, income tax, corporate tax. We leave the nation in debt. We're the authors of No Fault Divorce that Reagan signed in 69 became law in 70. He he regretted it to his dying day. Transgender bathroom bills, the most secular progressive sexual education curriculum. It's nauseating. And here's the kicker, Rick. We've aborted where we lead the nation in abortion. And we don't just we don't just rip the baby apart in the womb with its mother and flush its parts into the sewer system of the state. We harvest the organs on the downbeat of the heart. We make Nazi Germany look like girl scouts. 

Rick Green [00:11:17] Wow. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:11:17] And that's that's you know, the largest churches are right here in California. Focus on the family, came out of California. And the problem was we avoided the ecclesia, the public square. Yeah. And God never intended us to do that. So the reason why this awakening with Charlie and and Calvary Chapel guys don't get it, some of the older guys are like, I don't know if I want to talk about Charlie on Sunday, and I don't know about this guy. He's too political. And their their churches are being packed, and they they need to know about this guy. He was the most misunderstood missionary in America. 

Rick Green [00:11:48] Yeah. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:11:49] He saw politics as an on ramp to Jesus. Yeah. Polis, politics, polis is the concerns of the city. And and you you pray for the peace of the city and you you love your neighbors yourself. And Charlie did that. And he's he figured if he could get these young people rowing in the streams of liberty, they'd come to its source. Second Corinthians 3 17, which where the spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty. And they'd they'd find the Lord. And that Charlie nailed it. It was phenomenal. And and this awakening, he was he was working on behalf and giving these kids a hope in a future instead of just eschatology of, you know, well, we're all gonna be out of here soon. You're just polishing brass on the Titanic. He he allowed them to contend for a future and told them to get married and and and have kids they couldn't afford and and and and and be men and be women and worship God and go to church. That's what's happening right now. And and churches are now realizing we missed the boat on discipleship. And they're gonna show up and they want to talk about the issues that pastors have avoided by by modern day Gnosticism, separating, you know, I just preach the gospel, I don't do politics. It's Gnostic to do Gnosticism to do that. Right. And then all of a sudden this generation is looking for churches like that, and churches are waking up to it. I'm proud of them.  And that's that's Charlie. The most misunderstood missionary in America, in the world. 

Rick Green [00:13:13] Oh, I could, you know, I even said this at that one of the vigils that we did here. I said, you know, to the untrained ear, they think Charlie was talking politics. But the truth is he was in fact preaching the gospel. He didn't always quote chapter and verse, but he was literally, whatever the question that came at him, with no topic off limits, he was taking a biblical perspective. It was the old David Barton thing of thinking biblically speaking secularly. And and bro, I watched you mentor and disciple him over the last five years and and the growth and the depth that that that happened as a result of that. In fact, it was in your church that he first spoke in this way, you know, and you invited him into the pulpit and and and coached him on doing this. And the impact is just in incredible. And and I it's the opposite of what you described a few minutes ago when you were talking about the you know, the youth were were disillusioned by the church and went to Eastern, you know, mysticism and and all of those things. Now it's the opposite. It's like they're enamored with what they saw at the memorial service. They're going, Wow, this is a different way of life that even in death there is joy and there's celebration and there's there's a commitment to, you know, these values that really matter. And and it was like church. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:14:22] And there's churches that are talking about it. 

Rick Green [00:14:24] Yeah. Yeah. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:14:25] Yeah. 

Rick Green [00:14:26] Oh, it's it's it's incredible. I I and by the way, man, I I'll just tell you right now on the air, I mean, there were so many good speeches that day, even that Rob McCoy guy that kicked things off. But that Mikey McCoy guy, that was the best one all day, Dad. Yeah, you had to be proud. Mikey nailed it. It was so good, so full of joy, so genuine, so raw. I mean, Kara and I were sitting there just looking at each other, going, That was incredible. I I praise God for it, man. The Lord the Holy Spirit just moved through him. I think you had to be a proud popper. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:14:55] I used to be known as Charlie Kirk's pastor, now I'm known as Mike McCoy's dad. 

Rick Green [00:14:59] I love it. Nothing better than that, bro. No greater joy for sure. Oh, okay. All right, I hang on. I know because I know you're on a tight schedule too. So South Korea, you got catch us up on this and and and what is your goal as as you continue to invest time and and energy and effort in South Korea? What's what's the story over there? 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:15:18] Well, I'll bring you all to the way to the beginning. About three years ago when the church was exploding because we were defying the lockdown orders and we were getting some traction worldwide and kind of the the resistance, a gal shows up, a Korean gal, her name is Mina Kim. She's in the foyer, I'm stuck in between services and and the crowds are pretty thick at that moment. And she comes up and she says, I'm from Korea, I came to visit your church. I've been translating your messages into Korean on my YouTube channel, and you have quite a following in in Korea. And I go, Really? She said, Yeah. And she said, Would you ever consider coming to Korea? And what I wanted to say, Rick was no. But what came out was, yeah, sure. Well, then she says, We're doing the equivalent of a Turning Point USA, but it's called Build Up Korea. And I'd like you to be one of the speakers. And I came over for the first one and it was amazing. And and she put this together all by herself. And she's she's an only child, two parents, her dad's a quadriplegic. And and she's in a patriarchal society, she is a force to be reckoned with. And so she she did this the second year I helped her, and I finally was telling Charlie, you you gotta see what this gal's doing. I showed him the video of it. He was impressed, and she kept coming to all the turning point events and and she never asked for anything. She was doing it on her own. So Charlie, I asked him, Would you ever consider coming? He goes, You know what? Yeah. And I was shocked 'cause Charlie doesn't leave the United States. He went to England to do the Cambridge Oxford debates. 

Rick Green [00:16:49] Oh that was incredible. Yeah. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:16:50] Yeah. They kept whining, saying he was afraid. He wasn't afraid. He just didn't want to go to London stand. Who wants to go to London? 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:16:55] I think they were I think they regretted him saying yes and coming over. 

Rick Green [00:16:58] Yeah, he mopped the floor with those petulant British children. But but he he agreed to go over. And so four days before he was murdered, he was in Korea. And it it and and a lot of folks don't know what's happening in Korea. And Charlie was made aware of it. There's a there's a new president, and he is basically socialist communist. Yeah. He's already put the previous president in jail and the first lady. They they put the equivalent of the FCC director in jail. They're coming after the opposition party, which is a conservative party, the PPP, they're they're gonna put her in jail. And they were coming after everyone involved with build up Korea, including Mina, and they had raided churches. Matter of fact, the the the largest church in the world, full gospel church, that church was raided. And the man who I had built up a relationship with in Pusan, he's fearless. He was the only pastor to stay open during COVID. And Pastor Soan, he you know, ex-Korean special forces, he's just a great guy. And you can't fake good kids. He's got amazing kids, his wife is precious. This guy's a real deal. His congregation's exceptionally large, and he loves his people, and he's been there since its inception. And they were threatening to arrest him. It because they they have changed the meaning of the freedom of speech and the freedom. It's not freedom of religion there, it's freedom from religion, like they tried to do with us with the separation clause. And so he met Charlie and Charlie said, Look, if they put you in prison, I'll contact the Secretary of State. I I won't make any guarantees on behalf of my government. I can't do that. But I I will I will let the people know, and I'll feature it on my show. And so that was that week, and we landed on Monday. I got the call. Pastor Sohn's been arrested. And and Charlie said, you know, get me all the details, and I got all the information. I got it to him. He was gonna feature it on his on his radio program that week. And then, as we know, when he was at Utah State, he was murdered. And so I went over to go keep Charlie's promise. And I went over, I filled the pulpit for Pastor Seon on that Sunday. Interesting, the Sunday I was in that pulpit, Rick, to the day it was the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Seoul from the communist Chinese during the Korean War and that day, the South Korean government, the administration had lifted all visa requirements for Chinese. If the Chinese are there for more than four months, they get to vote. They literally have given the country to the communist Chinese. 

Rick Green [00:19:51] Wow. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:19:53] They were flooding Korea and they were doubling down and coming after the churches, and they were coming after Mina. They're coming after everyone affiliated with her. And I preached in his pulpit that Sunday. And then I went and protested in front of the courthouse. I went and visited him in prison. And and this man, you don't cry in Korea. They just don't cry. And I'm I'm I'm in that the he there's a plexiglass between us. It's his youngest son, his wife, me, and Pastor Stephen Martin, who came with me out of Texas. And I said, Pastor Seon, I I think you're gonna remain in prison until the church in Korea wakes up and he says, I'm on a mission trip as long as it takes, and his wife was in agreement. They were steadfast. And then I said, I'm I'm here because I'm your friend, and I promised you I'd I'd fill the pulpit and support you, but I'm also here to keep the promise of my friend Charlie. And he just he broke down. Wow. And his son was taken aback, so was his wife. They'd never seen him cry like that in his life. And he just and and I was I was moved by it. He just was so blessed by Charlie, and he said, The gift he gave us before God took him home, Korea has to understand the value of that, and they have to awaken. And I just told him, I said, Look, you know, when Churchill, if you know world history, I said all of Europe had fallen, Churchill was the last place, England, and he had given his speech, we'll fight them on the beaches, we'll fight them in the fields. And and he at the end of it, he put his hands in his face and he just said, What have I done? We're ill-equipped, we have no weaponry. And of course, Gehring convinced Hitler to do an air attack, so a bottom time. But Churchill encouraged the nation of England. Until America entered the war, and I just I I kept telling the pastors there, wake up, encourage your people, stand firm until America realizes we're losing an ally. Yeah. One of the suggestions I made, I'll close with this because I I could talk forever. I do. That the the the suggestion I made, and I hope it it got to the right channels. I said it would it would, and I this was talking with the opposition party. They they requested this. You know, Trump does does tariffs for two reasons. One is to return manufacturing back to the US, and the other is for political leverage. Yeah. He needs to say to Korea, and I talked to business leaders and and chairmen of large companies there, they're willing to take a hit to save their country. And and I I said, do a tariff that is just un unattainable, like brutal. That this is what you're gonna get if you raid churches, you imprison pastors, you silence speech, you imprison, you know, the opposition party, and this is a tariff that you'll get if you play right. 

Rick Green [00:22:47] That's good. That's good strategy, man. No doubt. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:22:50] But they've packed this is, you know, Alan Dershwitz says this is the death knell to a democracy when they packed the Supreme Court. They've gone from fourteen justices where only two of them were conservative of the fourteen, and they now have packed it with thirty. 

Rick Green [00:23:03] Oh wow. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:23:03] We're gonna lose we're gonna lose our ally. Largest Christian nation in Asia, pop largest Christian population, and we're about to lose it. 

Rick Green [00:23:12] Man, this is so underreported, Rob. This is I mean, maybe I'm just ign I  mean, I am ignorant about a lot of things, but I mean I have not seen hardly anything about this other than on Flashpoint and talking to you and and and a few Christian outlets, we have got to spread the word and man, thank you for investing there. And I and I wish we weren't we we gotta get you back. I know we were gonna talk update on on turning point faith and kind of where things are going there as well and just the explosion and how God's using turning point to to reach even more people now. But we'll get you back and and do that. Man, we love you. I know you are running like a madman, and I just pray God's just rest and rejuvenation over you. He's put you at the tip of the spear right now, and in any way we can help you or or come alongside you, we want to do that. So we love you, brother. Thanks for your time today. 

Pastor Rob McCoy [00:24:01] Love you too, Rick. And and tell I'm just gonna tell your audience I'm so grateful for for them and you and just giving giving years to this. Bless you all. 

Rick Green [00:24:10] Amen. That's Pastor Rob McCoy. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with Tim Barton.  Welcome back to the WillBuilders Show. Thanks to Rob McCoy for joining us, and great to have a remembrance day officially for Charlie and and of course that Presidential Medal of Freedom, highest honor for a citizen and being presented to Erika on on Charlie's behalf later today. But Tim, just the whole South Korea thing, Israel. There's a man, there's a lot of good stuff happening internationally, not just here in the U.S. We're seeing revival around the world. We're seeing really interesting political changes where where it had gotten really dark for a few years there. So it's nice to have some some good news and some some fighters out there. But South Korea's on the bubble, and if it weren't for Charlie and Rob bringing attention to it, no telling what would be happening. 

Tim Barton [00:26:02] Yeah, there's no doubt. And and of course, President Trump has shown that he is trying to help bring peace and stability to much of the world. And even though it's not the job of America to be the police of the world, when you have a strong leader who cares about people, he's doing things to make a difference. But I I do want to point out one thing that Rob said, I so appreciate it because I was with you on thinking, man, people are going down the rabbit hole of these Charlie Kirk videos. He said, No, not a rabbit hole. That that's not what it is. This is the gold mine. And I thought that's so true because people are discovering the gold of the gospel from Charlie's videos, and it is making a difference in this nation. 

Rick Green [00:26:37] Such a good thing. Such a good thing. Well, we're out of time for today. Thanks again to Rob McCoy for joining us. Thank you for listening. You've been listening to the WallBuilders Show.