Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's The WallBuilders Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. Thanks so much for joining us. Be sure to visit our websites, wallbuilders.com and wallbuilder.show. The .show, wallbuilders.show is the radio site. Of course, has programming from the last few weeks and months. If you missed any of the shows, maybe you want to go back and just get some more good news from one of our Friday programs or dive into some of those foundational questions in our Foundations of Freedom Thursday programs or the interviews we have Monday through Wednesday. It's all there. At wallbuilders.show. And then wallbuilder.com is our main website. That's, of course, the place you can go to get all kinds of resources from our Biblical citizenship course to Constitution Alive to finding out about our pastor's briefings and other events happening across the country. All of that available at wallbuilding.com as well. And that is also the place I encourage you to go to make that one time our monthly contribution. We sure appreciate your support. Every dollar that you invest in WallBuilders in that way allows us to amplify this voice of truth to reach more people it makes you a force multiplier. When you come alongside us in that way. So whatever the Lord puts on your heart, please consider going to Wobbolders.com today and making that contribution. Now later in the program, we've got Mary Miller with us. She's actually a Congresswoman. She's just a great family. Some of them have actually been down to Patriot Academy and I've gone up there, done constitution classes for them before and I'm just thrilled with the work that she's doing in Congress. Also the leader on this effort to change June from pride month and and how lgtbtq basically has co-opted that month for years and change it to family month and what a great effort. So we're excited that we'll get a chance to hear from Mary Miller. Tim Barton is going to have a chance to chat with her in just a few minutes. 

David Barton [00:01:48] Yeah. And before we get to Mary and it's going to be fun interview, I love the strategy she's taking here. We're going to talk about a little bit. But we were talking yesterday about Iran, the ceasefire. And, you know, it I don't know. It's like Iran had to get the last word in in the in the argument. Trump says it's a ceasefire in 12 hours. They go, well, we still got a few hours left till ceasefire, so we're going it's like telling a kid at noon tomorrow, you're not going to throw another tantrum. And so that's OK. It's before noon, so I can still throw one. And it was just crazy to see Iran shooting off rockets, you know, just before the ceasefire, it was crazy. 

Tim Barton [00:02:24] Well, certainly Iran wasn't the only one either. Just worth acknowledging for people out there that are going to potentially want to criticize something and say, wait a second, but Israel had this huge barrage as well. President Trump called out both of them. Actually he had a hot mic moment where he actually said a curse word,  responding,  which actually, you know, you kind of got a look. Uh, at some of the, the very real side of Trump and his passion for this, he's, he was upset with both of them. Like guys, what are you doing? Clearly we agreed to this, but because there was a, a timeframe before it took effect of right, that 12 hours, whatever it was, and at that point, they're almost going like a tit for tat, like what you do, what I'm going to do. And who knows if they both had something planned. I, I kind of feel like just the general knowledge that we have up to point Israel's was probably not just a tit-for-tat response. They probably had a strategic objective in mind, whereas Iran might've had more of a saving face idea in mind. A little bit like they did shooting at the, the military base, American military base in Qatar, where President Trump acknowledged like they even gave an alert before it happened. Anyway, all that being said, even though there were rockets fired on both sides, it did not violate the terms of the cease fire in the letter of the law, but certainly President Trump thought it violated the spirit of it, which is why he was frustrated with both of them. 

David Barton [00:03:49] By the way, one of the funniest things I've done in a long time was I actually listened to Iranian media, the American translation of it, and they were saying, we finally have Trump exactly where we want him. He's doing exactly what we wanted him to do in this war from the very beginning. And they're playing it like,. 

Rick Green [00:04:06] You've got to be kidding me. 

David Barton [00:04:07] I'm not kidding you. It was the funniest stuff that I think I've ever heard. And there's a, we, this shows that we're in charge. We got exactly what you wanted. We finally forced Trump. It's like, oh my goodness. So, I don't know, that was just a fun moment for a bit, a little comic relief after a 12 day war. 

Tim Barton [00:04:26] I can't imagine why people don't trust that you're on media, it seems like. 

David Barton [00:04:30] Yeah. 

Tim Barton [00:04:31] Right. That they're so genuine and honest and sincere in their reporting. Unlike, you know, some of what happens in other places, but with that being said, not that we want to go too far away,  from breaking news and what's happening, but because the month is almost over, guys, we've talked about, we have to get Congressman Mary Miller on here to talk about her resolution, what she was doing to say, let's celebrate the family in June. Right, the basis of the structure for society, for civilization, what makes it possibly even have a government, a family, really, really great stuff she did. And for those that don't know, she's a congressman from Illinois. She's part of the Ag Committee. She is the vice chair on the House Committee of Education and the workforce. She the chairwoman of the Congressional Family Caucus. Cool, there's a family caucus. She a member of the House Freedom Caucus and Republican study committee and her priorities are in the midst of the conservative constitutional principles, the right to life, Second Amendment, border security, and election integrity. She absolutely is one of us. The core values, the principles, the Declaration of Constitution and Inalienable Rights, all of those. And I'm excited to get to talk to her right after this break. 

Rick Green [00:05:42] Mary Miller with Tim Barton when we come back. Stay with us, you're listening to The WallBuilder Show. 

Tim Barton [00:07:50] Welcome back to the WallBuilder show. This is Tim Barton, and I am joined by very special to us guest, Congressman Mary Miller. Congressman, thank you so much for being with us today. 

Mary Miller [00:07:59] Well, thank you for having me on. I've been blessed by the Ministry of Wall Builders for decades. I heard your father speak a long time ago when I was home educating my seven children. He would speak at conferences. I used a lot of the materials. And now that I'm in Congress, when I'm putting my makeup on in the morning, I'm listening to your podcast. 

Tim Barton [00:08:21] Oh, it's incredible and we are so grateful. We, we mentioned, coming into this segment, for all of the listeners, some of your background, your accolades, your work on the freedom caucus and, uh, even a family caucus, just so many cool things that you are part of helping fight for the foundational traditional values of America, those inalienable rights, the things that founding fathers believed in. But one of our favorite things that you did earlier this month, and we wanted to get you on even sooner, but we thought we can't let June go by without at least talking about the resolution you did to reclaim, I mean, on some levels, I would say sanity, but even reclaim some basic ideas of what is far more important for a culture, for a society than someone's sexual preference or sexual identity, the core of a society being the family, and you had a resolution saying we should make June family month, will you tell us about that? 

Mary Miller [00:09:18] Well, sure, when I came out here to DC, I was, I said, I joked that I'm the most regular person ever to show up to Congress, but I do believe our founding fathers had a vision for people from diverse backgrounds to come out and take a turn representing. And of course, my background is in ag and in education, and I've raised a big family. In fact, yesterday I had my 22nd grandchild, so that's very exciting. 

Tim Barton [00:09:43] Congratulations. 

Mary Miller [00:09:43] So I came out here with common sense values and with the foundation holding to biblical principles, constitutional principles, and then the Republican Party platform. But the other thing I came out with a mission, which was the same when I was in Illinois, and that is, I believe God's left us on earth as believers to overcome evil with good. And Pride Month, in my opinion, evil. The left hijacked it to promote gender confusion, to promote indecency. Hypersexualizing our children and actually grooming our children. So I decided I'm gonna reclaim it for the family. And to celebrate the American family is positive, it's unifying and our country needs it because all of this confusion over sexuality and whatever, our young people don't wanna get married. This C has released. Reports that our birth rates have plummeted. That's a very serious thing. So, you know, I think we need to promote a healthy family as God ordained it, a husband and wife committed to each other for life. 

Tim Barton [00:10:58] Well, and I so appreciate what you're saying as logical and common sense as it is. We're so grateful there are people up in Washington DC trying to restore some logic and common-sense because it seems like so often we turn on the news and it seems so many people in DC and Congress have lost their mind on some level to some extent. And so knowing there's people like you, some of your friends and other members of the Freedom Caucus, some of these other really great caucuses and groups that are up there in DC, I am curious, knowing the climate that we live in, when you came out and had a resolution promoting the family, I can only imagine maybe some of the backlash, some of of the opposition, I would hope, again, the idea that you're promoting something so basic and common sense should not have been controversial. But just knowing the world we live in, did you get any pushback for this? 

Mary Miller [00:11:50] Actually people are very excited. They're positive about it. I've reached out to President Trump and to other groups and my idea was that this year, it's an introduction year and to get people excited about the idea. And next year when we celebrate our 250th anniversary, I hope we'll have a full fledged month to celebrate and promote the American family. 

Tim Barton [00:12:14] And it sounds like then, if you're getting more support than opposition, maybe people are waking up against the woke mob that's been gaslighting us in so many ways for so long. And I do know that sometimes when we talk with some of our friends up in Washington, DC, oftentimes the thoughts in the Beltway, the thoughts up in DC are not always the thoughts of the American people. And fortunately, someone like yourself that grew up in a agricultural life where you know some basics, When you have animals, there's a male and female, right? That there's not confusion, that it's the reproduction and the way things work. And so having someone with common sense for us on the outside, we're so grateful for. And if I can, I want to ask some more common sense questions because there's a lot happening in DC. And some of the things we might look and go common sense, even the idea of spending or debt. And President Trump has been promoting the big, beautiful bill. I know that some of our other friends in the Freedom Caucus. They have had challenges initially navigating where Elon Musk said we're not cutting enough, but the reality is you have to take a step somewhere and you guys fought so hard to get so much good in and we can probably agree there's more good that we want to continue to do going forward, but y'all took such important steps, but now it's in the Senate. Can you give us any insights maybe on what you're seeing from the Senate and what might happen? With again, some what we might consider very common sense thoughts of spending, economics, whatever else might be in this big beautiful bill. 

Mary Miller [00:13:45] Well, first of all, I want to remind everybody that President Trump did not cause the problems that we have, like fiscal issues, but he's trying to solve them. And the other thing I want to remind people is it's way easier to spend money than to cut money. We are doing the hard work. I belong to the Freedom Caucus. I'm part of the group of fiscal hawks out here and the big sort of beautiful bill that got sent to the Senate. There's a lot of positive things in there. Obviously, we have to raise the debt limit so that we can pay our bills. We need to pass the Tax Cut and Jobs Act. The markets are nervous, and we need to get tax cuts put into permanent law. But there's a lot of positive things in there. I had a resolution, it went through Ag, and it passed is to allow the SNAP benefits only to go to. U.S. Citizens. I mean, if we want people to self-deport, we got to cut the benefits off. And I'm worried, I've been hearing that they're trying to wrangle that out of the big, beautiful bill. Also, I'm highly opposed to the green energy tax credits. I agree with President Trump, it's a total scam. You know, our beautiful farm ground in Illinois, highly productive, some of the best in the world, Class A and Class B farm ground is being covered with Chinese taxpayer subsidized, unreliable, unaffordable solar and wind. And we've got to stop those tax credits. They want to run a CO2 pipeline across the country. And of course, all of this is just. It's trillions of dollars of wasted money. So, you know, they better not, we cut it in the house and there's rumors that they're trying to take it back out. But I think we have problems with the parliamentarian. She's, you now, I don't think she's, I think she is political. And I think that we should consider seeing her being replaced. 

Tim Barton [00:15:59] Well, and that is certainly an interesting thought as we've seen this week where she is the one saying that this can't be a simple, 50 plus one vote that you need 60 senators and the fact that she was chosen under some Democrat leadership. And what does that mean with how much partisanship we have seen, especially recently. With even the targeting of President Trump before he was president, where the DOJ, the FBI, the district attorneys, so many things that should have been about justice, legality, constitutional, they targeted and they made it very political. So you do raise an interesting question that I'm sure will be explored more, but I did see something, I want to say also this week, that President Trump was working with Senator Thune to try to make sure that they're making progress on this. Do you have any expectation that they will keep primarily the work that you guys did, especially from, I know the freedom caucus and we were hearing Chip Roy and some of the other names that were on news media a lot talking about how they're having to navigate with Mike Johnson and President Trump and all that was going on. Do you think the Senate will be true to what you guys did or do you think there'll be a lot of work to do once it comes back? And I don't mean to get in the weeds necessarily if you need to navigate that, but we, I am curious, what you think 

Mary Miller [00:17:16] I think we need strong leadership from President Trump, Senator Thune, and Senator Johnson. I don't think it's going to pass if they take a wrecking ball to it. It was a decent bill when it went over, and it's what our country needs to stabilize our economy and to have the money to secure the border and do mass deportations and all that kind of stuff. I don't think it'll pass. We have to be no more Mr. Nice Guy. This is a war we're in. To save our country. And the left is aggressive, and we need to be just as aggressive back. My good friend, Erwin Lutzer, he said, evil never retreats on its own only when it's confronted by a more powerful force. And we need it quit being so wimpy. We need to a force against evil, against bad ideas and against their parliamentarian or whoever is trying to take a wrecking ball to the big beautiful bill. 

Tim Barton [00:18:13] Well, Congresswoman, we have talked, especially the last couple of weeks, but really the last two days, how grateful we are that God has President Trump in a place where he was able to make really tough decisions, whether it be with the nuclear facilities capabilities of Iran, things that he has done that he's willing to stand up for what's right and endure the criticism, right? Just take the bullets and all the stuff that's come on. Well, I know what you have done. And some of your friends in the caucuses that you were in, y'all have stood so courageously. And I just want to say thank you so much for all that you have done. How can we, as our listening audience, how can we be praying for the stuff that's going on with you guys? Obviously, as President Trump is navigating this, Israel and Iran, the ceasefire, that there's a lot happening in our nation, but also with the big, beautiful bill in DC, that there is so much going on. What can you tell us that we can be praying for, and maybe how can we pray for you? 

Mary Miller [00:19:08] Thank you. Well, I think pray for President Trump and the leadership out here. And because I think one thing that really impacts everybody is the staff and the people that are around, not only me, but President Trump, and, and whoever. So pray that the right people are surrounding President Trump and, like, Leader Thune and different ones like that. And I do think for the country, something to pray about and to look forward to. Is the next election, primary elections are so important, we need to call it the fire the frauds campaign. But that's where people can find out if their elected representative is actually walking the talk, so to say, and look at their votes. And sometimes people will say, you know, like, I'm so pro-life, well, they might make a pro-live vote, but they're not actually scrappy fighting for these better policies, which that's what President Trump does. He looks at things like a businessman, like a grandfather that loves the people in our country, and he says, why are we doing it this way? Why have we allowed this to happen? Why are we being taken advantage of in trade or on the world stage, so many issues? And then he has the courage to speak truth into the public and then look for solutions. So I think pray for President Trump mainly because he's the leader of our country. 

Tim Barton [00:20:37] Well, we are grateful for President Trump, but we're also grateful for warriors like you and what you did in June helping people remember the foundation of every society of every nation is the family and we ought to be celebrating family and certainly where men and women are able to come together and raise families just like you did with your seven kids and now 22 grandkids, absolutely incredible. Congresswoman, thank you so much for being with us today. 

Mary Miller [00:21:01] You're welcome. 

Tim Barton [00:21:02] We'll be right back in just a moment with David Barton and Rick Green. 

Rick Green [00:22:12] Welcome back to the WallBuilder show back with David and Tim Barton and Rick Green here and Tim what a great opportunity to visit with Mary and by the way her husband's a state rep she's in Congress what an interesting, interesting family. 

David Barton [00:22:22] Yeah, it is interesting and men, what a great model. Godly people, constitutional people who understand that they need to be involved in the process and certainly not everybody is gonna be a state rep or a US congressman, congresswoman. It doesn't matter. They're sitting in an example of look, you're supposed to be in involved in all three spheres. We know that God created the family, God created government and God created the church and they're involved in all three and Christians should be. I have a pastor friend in Georgia. Pastor Billy Ingram who said for a long time he was just a two-thirds Christian because as a pastor, he was involved in church, he's involved in family, but he wasn't doing anything in government. Now his church is involved in that. He says I'm now a three-thirds christian and we need more three- thirds Christians and by the way, out of his church in Georgia, they they serve four counties and now the Republican leadership in all four counties has been elected out of his Church. So that's that's involvement, that's having influence and I appreciate the Millers for doing that and you know Mary had so many great and one of the first thing she said that struck me was that and it went back to the principle of of Romans 12:21 you overcome the evil with the good it's like we don't need an anti-pride month when we overcome the Evil with the Good you go on offense with it and pride pride month really is an anti-family resolution so let's come in with a pro-family resolutions that's the way you overcome the evil is you overcome they evil the good is what the Bible says and so that's like the antidote. Don't just criticize the evil, come in and do the good. And that's exactly what she did. And I thought also, man, the comments she made toward the end about evil never retreats by itself. It always has to be confronted. That is so true. And we've gotten to be so wimpy in some of the areas that we don't want to be confrontational. But if you don't and the enemy is not going to retreat, enemy never retreats without being confronted. And we have to get that mentality and whether it's with kids or others with city council or school boards or even in church even with our friends and that doesn't mean being belligerent and being angry and ugly but sometimes you have to say hey you know what you just said I really don't think that was the right thing to say. Sometimes you have to confront it even in small areas just to get it to back up so she has so much wisdom and I really appreciate what she brought out too about the parliamentarian. We go back to Timothy 2.5. Nobody's crowned you don't have a winner unless you run according to the rules and when you have a parliamentarian that can make up the rules or shift the rules or change the rules it's hard to get across the finish line even though you thought you knew what the rules were even though those rules have been really clear previously you've now got a change of rules and and so she's right they they they need a new parliamentarian or somebody who's not going to change the rules in midstream you just can't play and win with that kind of a situation. So, so much that Mary brought out, I so appreciate her and her wisdom and her insight. It's really fun. Great job, Tim, interviewing her and getting some of its good insight. 

Tim Barton [00:25:15] Yeah, she really is a reasonable person. I definitely enjoyed the interview. We were able to have video on the interview, so I got to see her, and we actually got to talk a little bit offline as well. But one of the things that I really do appreciate too, is as she laid out just her thought of strategy, this is just the beginning to say, let's celebrate family month, because the 250th coming up, we might be able to do something really big and special. And so not only has she done something to take a very important step right now in culture, engaging. Where people have been hypersexualizing kids and promoting these quote-unquote alternate lifestyles that are contradictory to traditional and biblical morals and values, for her to say that this is the beginning, we have a longer-term strategy, that is also really encouraging. 

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