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David Barton [00:01:42] Yeah, it was a good thing, Rick. And I thought the interesting about it was there was a very little overlap from the dozens and dozens and thousands of groups we heard from. It wasn't like they were all doing the same thing. They were just doing different things, but they were all moving the ball down the court. And it's kind of, you know, wall builders, we take the name from the book of Nehemiah. And one of the things we do there is look at Nehmiah too, where it said that everybody had their part in rebuilding the wall and so As you read the book, the men of Tocoa, man, they built a whole lot, 1500 meters or whatever it was and others, the priests only rebuilt their own house. They didn't do anything else on the wall, but everybody did something. And so it got done. And it really kind of felt like that this weekend, that people are engaged and they're not sitting back waiting for everything to happen from the president coming down that that it was, it was just a lot of really wholesome stuff we heard this weekend. A lot of good aggressive stuff going on. It was real, real good to hear. 

Tim Barton [00:02:38] That first of all I'm curious which version or translation of the Bible you're using that is 1,500 meters that's certainly not a standard American translation 

David Barton [00:02:47] I'm not even sure meters it was a 

David Barton [00:02:48] Furlongs, what was it, 1,500 roms, what was it? 

Tim Barton [00:02:51] I'm just saying, you know, I'm not sure that was a King James or what we need right now is we 

Rick Green [00:02:58] What we need right now is we need Dustin Hoffman from what was that Rain Man to say it's 14,742 inches or 4700 you know Finger long what is it not finger longs? Finger long Hey, David, what are you calling- 

David Barton [00:03:17] focus on the constitution and history and not mathematical equations. 

Rick Green [00:03:21] Well, I was trying to think of the horse thing. It's how many hands high are correct. 

David Barton [00:03:26] And all the rest of us that are more familiar with horses are hanging our heads in shame right now. Well, only a baseball player would've missed that poorly. 

David Barton [00:03:36] Rick, I openly acknowledge that meters is not the measurement of the Bible, but I guarantee your finger long does not do the Bible either. 

Rick Green [00:03:45] Well yes, we're making up words at WallBuilders now. Creating our own language. How about fur logs? Can you go with fur logs? 

Rick Green [00:03:52] I can go with that. I don't think it's in the Bible, but I can. 

Tim Barton [00:03:55] But how long is the fur? If it's fur long, how long, nevermind. Okay, so. 

Rick Green [00:04:00] You know today's show is run off the rails. We're gonna cancel Monday show everybody and we'll see you on Tuesday David Tim and Rick obviously we're having too much fun okay but I get your point David what you're saying is there were some people that built a lot of the wall there were others that built right by their house you know right around their house and and everybody kind of brought you know different perspectives and different skills to the table I mean a lot these people that build they weren't masons they you know they they I guess I guess a lot of them had to learn as they were building and and to your point I am used to most of these groups everybody you know pretty much saying the same old thing oh you got to register people to vote you get them to vote and call your congressman or write your congressmen that's pretty much the only thing you ever hear. Normally. But now I felt like we came back from this weekend with a lot of different approaches to education, education, education, going deep, actually not just celebrating the two 50th, but getting people to really study the declaration, I saw materials that were just really encouraging to me that they're actually digging deep into the principles into the grievances, you know, the stuff three of us talk about all the time, but there's just more of a focus from all of these groups. So I think I think we're really poised for a really great year, guys. 

Tim Barton [00:05:08] Well, and I would think too, that's closer to what we often talk about where I think sometimes the modern church misses it, that we don't do a good job of discipleship. And what's so encouraging is seeing these groups say, hey, we need to go back and start teaching all these things right. We would call that discipleship, helping people learn those foundational principles that fundamentally made America different. And ultimately, I mean, as we've talked about for decades, those foundational principals are ultimately Biblical principles. Every time America has done well, it's been because we have been following biblical standards and principles. Every time we have done the wrong thing, every time we've struggled and failed, it's because we've rejected those biblical standards. The better of a job we do at following those biblical principles and in understanding them, applying them, the more we enjoy the blessings that are the consequence of the seeds that were planted. We're reaping the harvest, we're gathering the fruit from the good seeds that we're planted. And this is why also, We always are gonna be on the optimistic, the Joshua and Caleb side, because we understand that our nation is going to receive the increase or the opposite side, right, the negative, but we're going to bear the fruit from whatever seeds we plant. And if we're looking right now going, man, we're getting some fruit we don't like, well, the good news is all you have to do is start planting good seeds, and eventually the good seeds start growing, and then you get to reap the harvest of what you do enjoy. And as you know, we've already mentioned at this point, we have, we have seen a little bit of a pushback because of some of the seeds of some of the, the fruit that people were eating going, you know what this, this socialism stuff, this, this stuff under Joe Biden, the increase of the federal government, the inflation, go down the list at the open borders, the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Again, I go down a very, very long list. This isn't very good. We don't like this. It led to Donald Trump being there. But as all these groups are identifying, that's not going to be enough for it. Cause you kind of alluded to there has to be a better ground game. And the fact that now there are so many groups recognizing that one of the primary focuses of the ground game has to, be discipleship. That's so encouraging because there needs to be better discipleship inside the church, there needs be more discipleship, inside of communities and inside of civics groups, et cetera. And discipleship really is one of those missing ingredients. 

David Barton [00:07:26] You know, one of the things you were talking about was discipleship and teaching of the principles. And there's no question if you're celebrating the 250th anniversary, it's the 250 anniversary, not necessarily of American government, but of the Declaration of Independence that created American government of our birth certificate. And you go through that and it's God, it's creator, it is, there is a creator. The creator gave us certain set of inailienable rights. I mean, Creator four times in there is big deal. And the fact that that people are going back to the declaration and teaching its principles. Not just saying, let's celebrate 250 years, but let's remember what made us great. Let's remember we got us here. Let's keep doing those principles. And Tim, as you and I were at, we've already mentioned this, but it's just going back the bill signing, we were with the governor Sanders and you had representative Hope Duke there in Arkansas passed a bill that said, in all the, the school system throughout Arkansas we're going to teach the principles of the declaration including the religious beliefs of the founding fathers that undergirded the declaration of those principles. I don't know of a bill in the last 30 years that had anything about teaching the religious principles of the founding Fathers. I think this is a really big deal at a really important time and it's just indicative of what's going on in the nation. 

Tim Barton [00:08:44] And it's also worth pointing out, to be clear, when we say the religious principles of the founding fathers, as the bill lays out, it wasn't some Protestant view, it was in some Baptist view, was some Anglican view. It was the overarching ideas when the founding father said, we all these truth to be self-evident. There was a truth they were basing it on when you go to the first paragraph of the declaration and it mentions the laws of nature and nature's God. It was a reference to William Blackstone. William Blackston wrote in his commentaries and the laws of England that God has revealed himself. Ultimately, in two ways, God revealed Himself through creation and then God revealed Himself through His Word, so that through those two things, we have a very clear picture of who God is and what God's standards are. And the founding fathers say that the beginning of the declaration, acknowledgement that there is a revelation from God in Creation, a revelation from God through His word, and then we hold these truths to be self-evident. Well, the foundation they are basing on is not Protestant vs. Catholic. Versus whatever else it may be closer to what CS Lewis would have titled mere Christianity But part of why that matters that you mentioned the declaration has four mentions of God of Creator The most famous being from the second paragraph. We all these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, they're endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights among these your life liberty the pursuit of happiness that to secure these rights Governments are assumed among men deriving their just power from the consent of the governed and on it goes But just that second paragraph lays out the ultimate philosophy of American government that I think most Americans could not define. Most Americans couldn't identify what makes the American government so different than anywhere else in the world is we believe our rights fundamentally don't come from the government. Fundamentally, our rights come from our Creator. In fact, the founding fathers in acknowledging this divine creator who gave us an amenable rights. That belief was so fundamental that when you 11 years later and they do the constitution, one of the big debates of the constitution is that if we are creating a federal government and even though people like Madison and others would have argued that the federal government can only do the explicit things laid out in the constitution, the enumerated powers of what the founding fathers kind of acknowledged as a group, this is what the government should be allowed to do under the constitution. There were guys like George Mason who said, guys, we're smart enough. We know. If we create a government and we don't put really good constraints, really good boundaries and borders, if there's not a really good fence around this property, there is going to be somebody that comes in the government that's going to completely go against the very nature of the things we care about, and this is what led to the Bill of Rights. But part of why that matters, the Bill Of Rights was a listing of what they believed a continuation of some of those inalienable rights, and they believed it wasn't even an exhaustive list because the Ninth Amendment says that anything not explicitly written in here? Well, there's still more that belongs to the people. So just because it's, if there's something not written in, here it doesn't mean it's not a right that belongs to the People. They understood that in the Bill of Rights, they were going to acknowledge what they knew would be the obvious things the government might come against. Like your religion, like your speech, like the press or petition or assembly, or like your ability to be able to possess a firearm in defense of yourself, your property, your family, your community, your nation, that governments would want to stop that. So they said, Let's put the obvious ones there. But let's also make a note that there's even more that are in our inalienable rights list that we haven't identified. We're just mentioning the biggest ones right now. Again, why does all that matter? The reason we have the Bill of Rights is from the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. We owe these truths to be self-evident. All men are created equal. They're endowed by their Creator with certain inalientable rights. Among these are life, liberty, and happiness. That to secure these rights, the governments are student among men. The reason government exists is to protect our God-given rights. And dad, back to your point, Arkansas is now in a place where students are going to start learning that very basic thought that we just explained, that the idea from the founding fathers, they believe there was a God, that our rights came from God, the government's primary role was to protect the rights that God had already given and even learn the background. Why do they think that? Because look what happened over in Europe for the past several centuries. Here's what they went through. Here's, what led people coming to America. This is why their ideas were different. And this is what fundamentally made America. One of the most unique nations in the history of the world. And those ideas, those seeds that were planted, led America to becoming the most stable, prosperous, successful nation in the history of the world, and the fact now back to even what you guys mentioned over this last weekend, with a bunch of conservative minds getting together from these organizations and saying, we need to once again re-educate and re-disciple people in these ideas. Guys, this is so exciting and encouraging that we are once again, at a place that we are planting the seeds of liberty and Rick, uh, we, I think we mentioned that my dad and I were down with you just a couple of weeks ago, filming bibcit2 and I'm saying that cause people know what it is. It's like the second installment of biblical citizenship. It's got a different title, but it's, it says foundational things that we're trying to help re-disciple people in and when you see so many people that an organization specifically around the nation saying we want to help re-disciple people in these principles of liberty, that is super exciting. 

Rick Green [00:14:13] Man, I tell you, I haven't had this much hope in a long time because of what you just said. I mean, everything you just laid out, everything you've just educated on in terms of the declaration, probably for the first time, I mean certainly more so than at any other time in my lifetime, people are willing to listen to that message right there. In other words, they're hungry to know the formula. And with the president talking about the 250th a lot over the next year, with all these organizations talking about it, it is the perfect time, not only to teach that stuff in the classroom, in the schools, But actually for all of us of all ages to study these things, to have these classes at our churches and in our homes and in our local libraries and our our biker clubs. And I mean, you name it, wherever you're getting together with fellow citizens, this is going to be a great opportunity throughout the course of celebrating the 250th to learn these things. And so to your point, Tim, yeah, we're filming this new course. It's called Rebuilding Liberty and it's going to be a simple four week class chance to get people together. Maybe you've been through a biblical citizenship class and you had friends that came over and did that with you. Well, this will be a Great Next installment. Or maybe you wanted to do biblical citizenship, but you never actually did it. This is an even faster start and even more timely with the two fiftieth. And so that'll be coming out soon. You can learn more about that at patriotacademy.com/250th. Patriotacadamy.com/250th. And a lot of our friends out there with organizations or churches, go to that website and find out more about how you can team up with us, how you can get this class going in your community. I mean, a lot things, Tim, you're talking about terms of this legislation in Arkansas and, and Utah and all these places. We're going to need boots on the ground to then hold the, the school boards feet to the fire, right? To do those things, or maybe to go in and offer a class on constitution day, this coming September and make sure that they're doing that, you know, following that federal law, or maybe get celebrate freedom week passed in a state that's not passed. There's just so many things. I mean, the, in God we trust, getting that up on the dais at the local, you know government entities, there's a lot that people can do and actually in the course we're going to get people, it's 12 steps and you can pick one of 12. And tackle that one in your community or team up with some other folks to do that. So super, super exciting time and just really cool confirmation for us as we saw these other groups really excited about doing the same thing and getting on board. Hey, let's take a quick break. We've got a couple of news items to get to when we come back. You're listening to The WallBuilder Show. 

Rick Green [00:17:29] Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on the Wallbuilder Show Monday program today. And some of the news stuff, guys, if we could just call up over the, over the weekend, of course you got the, the surgeon general, it was one of the appointments that I think people were actually upset about from our side. I mean, most, all of the appointments have been just stellar and there, I can't even remember what the name, but I just remember there was a lot of people saying, Hey, this person was really part of the medical industrial complex and did a lot the crazy COVID stuff, very unhappy that Trump had appointed this person. Again, I can't remember the name, but anyway, that was withdrawn. And now apparently this, doctor, I think it's Casey Means I can, it's the brother and sister that the Tucker head on and that, RFK is friends with and that they got a lot of, a lot media on the make America healthy again thing, and, so apparently she's going to now be,  the surgeon general. I don't even know. Do you guys know if that's a Senate approved position or is that just a, I don't, I, don't know that that one may not even go through Senate approval if it is going to go through Senate approval. You can bet that Senator Cassidy, who's a Republican, but really seems to be, I mean, just absolutely sold out to the big pharma medical industrial complex. You know, he's the one that apparently had a backdoor meeting with RFK before his approval and made him give all these concessions. I don't know if all that's true, but he definitely is a not friendly to the, you know, kind of a parental choice in vaccines and all the things that, you know we have championed, but anyway, all that to say. I, this, it's kind of a mixed bag because I've read some stuff about, you know, she's kind a new age, you, or at least in the past has been, I don't know I tweeted out or do you call it Xing now? I don' know what you do with it other than calling it a tweet, but I sent a tweet this weekend. I was like, you know what, I honestly don't even care if she's like, Worshiping trees or whatever weird stuff, the new age people are doing. If she's going to blow up the apple cart for the medical industrial complex, this is one of those deals where I'm willing to lock shields with anybody. To get some people in these positions that aren't sold out to big pharma. So anyway, big topic. We don't have time to go real deep into it, but I was curious what y'all thought about even the whole surgeon general thing, because I don't know. I don' see in the constitution where they're supposed to have 6,000 doctors on the payroll out there doing a lot of the stuff that they do under the surgeon general, what do y' all think about that? 

David Barton [00:19:39] A 10th amendment, man, if it's not an enumerated power given to the feds, one of those 17 categories, it belongs to the States and we do not need, we do not need federal medical stuff because there's too many nuances, people have too many different views, there's two many things that are regional and various areas, areas. This is federal government. One size does not fit all. And especially with doctors. I mean, if we could get back to country doctors like we had in the in the 1920s. Where you had neighborhood doctors and they knew the families and you know, they'd deliver the kids for three generations and whatever that kind of health care is really a good thing. Now you want your specialists, your experts, no question about that, but having that that local kind of healthcare where they're looking out for the kids and they know the families, you just don't get that at the federal level. And so it does become that does encourage pharma big business. It does encourage the big money. That's definitely one of the things that should not be there. You know, the Founding Fathers had a lot of doctors among them, including Dr. Benjamin Rush, and they never said, hey, we need federal doctors. That was never it. It was always something local. So that would be a good one to blow up, except for the fact that sometimes you need some help, as we're seeing the attorney, the surgeon general now, on gender things. But that shouldn't be a federal issue either. But since it is, you want good people there being able to say, hey here's the recommendation, here's what people should do. And so if you go back to. Joycelyn elders with Clinton, the surgeon general, and you go back even to Reagan with Dr. Coop, that's kind of when the national, the federal doctor, the Surgeon General started getting more and more power. And so that's been something that's been growing for the last 30 to 40 years, but it definitely does not need everything it's got now. And I'm really glad that Robert Kennedy is gonna try to reduce the power of doctors in our lives. And reduce federal role in that for sure. 

Tim Barton [00:21:38] Well, I do think it's going to be interesting with, with Casey Means. It does look like it is going to have to be a Senate appointment because,  Rick, the, the previous one you were mentioning, Dr. Janet and I don't know how to say the last name, Neshawatts?  With the, name was withdrawn. 

Rick Green [00:21:54] It was a good effort. That was pretty good, man. Yeah. 

Tim Barton [00:21:57] The name was with drawn before the Senate confirmation hearing. So if this is the replacement, the indication is that that's going to have, to be as Senate confirmation hearing. It's going to be an interesting hearing for sure if this is in fact, the way it goes, because Casey Means, does not currently have a medical license and then lots of other things surrounding that now that, you know, doesn't necessarily automatically in my mind, disqualify somebody from that position because what we've seen from Trump is a lot of what he's trying to do is dismantle some of what's been there and sometimes you want someone outside the institution to go in and, resolve some of the issue. And it's not like that Casey doesn't have, inner knowledge of some of the medical arena. 

Rick Green [00:22:41] Yeah, I think she was trained to be a surgeon, if I remember right. 

Tim Barton [00:22:43] Correct. She dropped out of med school and I think, I think I remember this might've been from one of those kind of Joe Rogan podcast kind of things. I think. I remember she saying that it was because while she was in med school, she was asking, how do we stop these things from happening? And essentially she was told, well, you just give this medication and you move on. And she said, you know, I would be much more interested in preventative than just medication. And she began to see how Big Pharma was working with the medical arena and how. 

Rick Green [00:23:15] And I think her brother was a big pharma guy, right? Like he was a executive or a salesman or something. And so he had a wake up call about the same time she did. I think they lost their mom or dad or somebody in their family because of just doing the, you know, typical give them this drug or whatever. I don't know the whole story but I hear what you're saying. Yeah, she had a basically a wake-up and totally changed. 

Tim Barton [00:23:34] And so that's why she left, she left the medical field because they're not trying to, to prevent people from getting to this condition. They're just medicating them once they get there. Anyway, all that to say is Trump was asked about her and he said, I don't know her, I listened to the recommendation of Bobby, which we're talking about Robert F. Kennedy. With that being said, if, if the reason she's coming in is to help dismantle things, then that is very much in line with what Trump has done. And Trump has already had some appointments who were there for a month or two and they're already gone because they came in, they overturned the egg carton. Shake things up. I did my job, I'm out. And so this might not be a long-term position. And certainly there are other people we can look at and think might be very qualified, but Trump is... 

Rick Green [00:24:23] It also might be, you know, Tim, it might be just studies and stuff, right? Like the surgeon general does a lot of that. So maybe she is maybe what Trump's thinking and RFK is thinking is she redirects a lot that money to look into why the diseases are like they are. You know what I mean? And, and, you, you always get this surgeon general recommends kind of stuff, can you imagine if she starts coming out with surgeon general recommends, get a second opinion, you don't already go check out your naturopath instead of just your typical, I mean, that may be where a lot if it's going to 

David Barton [00:24:52] The issue with this is something you raised at the beginning of the program, and that's can you get the Senate confirmation? Because even though there's 53 senators right now, you have several that are triggered by one particular item. You mentioned the Senator, I think, Cassidy from Louisiana, who is a big pharma kind of guy. And that's a very needed vote because particularly with Murkowski and Snow, Olivia Snow from Maine, Murkowsky from Alaska, you cannot count on their votes. They're as likely to go at the Democrats as they are at the Republicans. And they have not shown themselves willing to help Trump get the people he wants. So this really does come down to a very narrow margin and someone who shakes up the apple cart too much may not get the Cassidy vote that's needed and may not Get Murkowski or Snow. And this is a big deal. And by the way, we're already looking at Senate election two years now because we need to pick up another one or two more so that we don't have that this negotiating session every single time there's somebody to be nominated you got to win at least one or two people on the Republican side of the Senate and to do that you've got to make promises to them and so we just need Trump where he can move forward faster and we'll see what happens with the Surgeon General because that may be one that would be a good shake-up but we'll, see what the Senators do with that and don't blame the whole Senate just remember it's only one or three people we're dealing with here. 

Rick Green [00:26:11] That's a great point, David, for people to be aware of it, as some of these things come to a head in the next few weeks that are more controversial, that it can be just a couple of senators that really mess things up. Don't assume that it's Speaker Johnson and it's all Republican senators or all Republican House members. We tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater way too fast, and they're getting so many good things done. We've got to keep a balanced approach on all of these issues, and I'm just still thrilled with all the victories and all the wins. Alright, out of time for today folks, there's more information at our website, wallbuilders.com. Thanks so much for listening to The WallBuilder Show.