Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's the WallBuilders Show taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. This one's a hot topic and it's in every community in America. When we first start talking about it today, you're going to think, Oh no, not in my school, not my library. They're not doing that in my little town or wherever you might live or in my buckle of the Bible belt community. But I guarantee you it's happening in every community across America, but there's been champions like John Amachuku and others stepping up and really calling people on the carpet and getting some good changes made. And later in the program, Bonnie Wallace is going to be with us. She's another one of those champions making a difference. All those things, David or Tim, man, we got, you know, middle of all the legislative sessions around the country. I guess a lot of them have already finished up lots of great victories. I mean, you guys have been at some of the signing ceremonies for Arkansas and other places testified in a lot of committees across the country from restoring the 10 commandments and, and getting the Bible back in schools to all kinds of positive things. We've got a lot to do in the classrooms, but we're getting a lot victories too. 

Tim Barton [00:01:03] Yeah, there really are a lot of positive things happening from educational fronts, especially in some of these states. As you mentioned, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. And a little bit of a disclaimer, we know that we have a lot of really good teachers that listen and many of them are in public school. And I know sometimes as we are very critical of... What the public school institution has done, the pedagogy, the ideology, so much of what has happened, it doesn't mean there's not good people in it. And one of the analogies I've used in times past is, you know, saying that there's really good teachers in public school at times is like saying the ban on the Titanic was really good, right? It's, it's not going to save the ship, but... 

Rick Green [00:01:48] And some of those teachers come and spend time with you guys in the summer and train with you, so you're working with some of them firsthand. 

Tim Barton [00:01:54] For sure. Plus we came here to a family seminar and over with the American Journey experience with Mercury 1, super fun time going kind of a crash course overview of American history, a little bit like combining our TAS books, The Beginnings, Building the Republic, and then adding a few more thoughts onto that, going all the way up to more of the modern era through World War II. But there was a teacher that came and there was superintendent and they said, Hey, we have opened every day with prayer for the last, you know, however, 30, 40 years that they've been there. Like we, we do the pledge. And so even though we know there's a lot of craziness happening in schools out there, we just want you to know that not every public school has gone completely crazy. There's no doubt there's, there are some good teachers in public school. There are good things happening in public schools, but... This is not to take away from the fact that there is a lot of work needs to be done It's one of the reasons it's really positive part of what's happening in these state legislators- or excuse me -legislatures by the legislators good things happening But still a lot work that needs to done and especially when when you start to find out the things that are still going on It's quite remarkable what some of these principals, what some of these teachers, what some of the school boards are thinking is appropriate in their schools for behavior, whether it be things like there are still schools that think it's appropriate for students to come identifying as furries, as animals, you know, litter boxes and like, this is the stuff that you would say and people were like, oh, it's crazy. That never happens. No, that's actually happening. That kind of stuff. There's a reason in Texas this year, they introduced legislation to say, hey, we're not gonna allow furries in our schools anymore. That seems crazy you have to say that, but... This point you kind of have to say that. 

David Barton [00:03:43] But you know, I love the fact that with legislation like this, and Tim mentioned in Texas, but Oklahoma dealt with this too. And I love this solution is, okay, if you're gonna claim to be an animal, we're gonna treat you like an animal. We're gonna send the animal control to pick you up from school and take you to the pound. So it's like, that's common sense. I like that. If you're going to want to be an animal that will treat you like one, it's probably not where you want to end up. But there's just so many crazy things going on in school. And fortunately, there's some folks out there that are really providing resources for parents to help get them equipped so that you can stop this nonsense in your school. It is amazing the degree to which it's permeated, even in rural districts. We've been talking to people who said, you may think there is none of this garbage in your rural district. I've talked to my own senator here in Texas. And he carries a book with them that is probably the worst of all these and he has not found a school district yet that did not have that and it shocked the parents in every place he goes because he has a lot of rural areas and they've been really surprised at just how how much is in it and we just make the assumption our teachers wouldn't do that our school wouldn't do that that's a bad assumption and that's what Bonnie's going to talk to us about today. 

Rick Green [00:04:51] Yeah, and I think sometimes we forget how systematized this whole, you know, public school system is. In other words, they, for a long time, it was basically one big, you know curriculum fair that would go around the country and everybody got their books from them. The libraries often were getting the exact same books and all the thousands of libraries across the country, both in the schools and in the communities. And so once one of these junk books got in, man, it was getting into all the libraries. And so a lot of times the teachers don't even know that it's there. But it is, no doubt about it. Bonnie Wallace with us when we return. Stay with us, you're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:06:30] Welcome back, thanks for staying with us here on The WallBuilders Show. Bonnie Wallace joining me. Bonnie looks like this sweet, wonderful woman. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:06:36] Hey, I am.

Rick Green [00:06:37] She's a warrior. She's an absolute warrior. That backbone right there, enough to make a freight train take a dirt road, I'm telling you. We got a tough topic today, but she's been winning, winning, winning. And we want you to be winning in your communities all over the country. And what's happening to you, Bonnie, or what started you in Lano is happening in virtually every community across the country, so anybody out there that says, oh, that's not happening in school. We got news for him today. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:07:01] That's exactly right. I have not found been to a hundred and fifty seven school boards and school in school library. 

Rick Green [00:07:06] A hundred and fifty seven? 

Bonnie Wallace [00:07:08] Yes, and I have not found one clean library. So it's there in yours as well. 

Rick Green [00:07:15] So we're gonna, we're going to back up and get your story first. And then we'll talk action items and what people can do in, in their communities. And, man, this one is started off guerrilla warfare. If you think this isn't happening in your community, this is not just the big cities, the inner cities, whatever this is everywhere. So tell us about Llano people in your own community and known forever didn't want you to do this. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:07:35] Well, and I think I give everybody grace because when I first heard there was bad content in the library, well, first of all, I didn't know what it looked like. And I was actually getting my hair cut. And the young lady that cuts my hair said, have you seen any of the pictures? And I said, no. And she said, look, I have one on my phone. And she showed me from three different angles. And it was in our public library and my hair started on fire and it's never stopped since. So that's what that was my trajectory and I wrote an email to the judge that evening and to all the commissioners to every parent I knew to every teacher I knew every business owner and every pastor in Llano I said we need to have a weekly prayer vigil over our children in Llano because satan is after our children and that's just a fact this was November of 2021 so fast forward I gave the commissioners and the judge the book list of bad books that I had found. And we're being sued, me for telling them and them for taking the action. Their reason is that we curtailed their first amendment right of the children. Now keep in mind the seven residents of Llano that are suing us are all adults. So they don't really have standing, I would say. But God is going to use this for great glory. And he already is. It's stuck at the Fifth Circuit right now, waiting. Did you hear the Supreme Court? 

Rick Green [00:09:04] No, not on this I hadn't

Bonnie Wallace [00:09:04] Well, not on ours, but on a book issue in Maryland, LGBT books that talk about same sex and same sex relationships, they have sex organs, sex acts, things that, you know, our kindergarten children... 

Rick Green [00:09:18] I was gonna say like, what age group? This is literally, this is not college. This is not even high school seniors. This is going, they're doing it to groom the kids. I mean, let's be blunt. And even like you say, you have these adults that are claiming they're fighting for free speech of kids, what they're really fighting for is the ability to manipulate those kids. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:09:37] Amen and it's very dark. I have books that have QR codes that takes you to sex shops, it takes you sex videos. 

Rick Green [00:09:46] 75 different QR codes taking the kid from what is supposedly just all free speech to learn from the library in our local public schools out to these 

Bonnie Wallace [00:09:57] Very hard places, listen to me. It's demonic and it's dark. This is Satan after our children. I'm gonna show you another book. This book on page 164, tells kids to look up interviews with their favorite porn performers, go to the sites they recommend, and the last statement shocks you and pay for your porn. I'll show you the page. 

Rick Green [00:10:19] In the schoold. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:10:20] It's in the book, 12 year old book of the year in 2022 by the American Library Association. 

Rick Green [00:10:24] Wait, wait, wait. What? 

Bonnie Wallace [00:10:26] You know, I run into parents every week that are shocked. I carry these books with me literally to show people because they make my case for me. This book has a disclaimer on the publisher's page. This is a 12 year old book of the year, Random House Children's book. It says the authors, there's two, the authors and publisher expressly disclaim responsibility from any adverse effects which may result from the use of information contained in this book. 

Rick Green [00:10:53] Six-year-old, you know, I'm gonna start this chainsaw for you. Don't don't hurt yourself and we take no liability 

Bonnie Wallace [00:10:59] they know what they're doing. And people ask me all the time, why did you wait until your daughter was out of school to challenge books in the Llano High School? I said, I never knew. 

Rick Green [00:11:09] Didn't know about it once, yeah. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:11:10] I did not know about it and they can't believe it, but it's the absolute truth. Listen, I'm not going to sit by and let harmful content rape our children's minds because that's what this stuff does. 

Rick Green [00:11:20] That's exactly what they're doing. The mind is literally changed, like the wiring of the brain is changed. And they know that. That's why they're trying to get them while they're very young. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:11:29] 100%. So I suggest everybody listen to Ted Bundy's final interview before he was executed. It is so powerful. And it is so telling about the trajectory of a child at age 11 that becomes addicted to porn. 

Rick Green [00:11:43] And this is the mass serial killer. Anyway, Dr. James Dobson, folks on the family, somehow befriended him and got him to interview him or allowing to interview and. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:11:54] He came in to bring him to Christ because even serial murderers are loved by Jesus if they accept him. And supposedly he came to Jesus and all his sins were washed away. But it was a very convicting interview because it talks about how he could no longer function as a human being without pornography. Think about it this way. How many times do we see a police officer that gets arrested for having pornography in his car. Or teachers, anybody, we see this. And I always said, why don't they just wait until they get home? What in the world? Why can't you just wait? Well, here's the deal. TPPF, Texas Public Policy Foundation, did an intense study on the effects of pornography on the brain. And they compared it to heroin, to cocaine, to crack, to all these things. Guess what? Pornography was the most addictive substance they had ever tracked. And it's something like 28 minutes, you lose your high. They cannot wait eight hours to get home. 

Rick Green [00:12:57] I had Phil King on, you know Phil, he was on a few weeks ago about one of the pieces of legislation that he's working on and same thing, he he was talking about just the effect that it has, the lives that it's destroyed, and you know going through why this is a public, this is no longer a private issue, because a lot of people that's their response initially. They say with the adults it's just a private issues or whatever, like when we passed the Nate Schatzlein's bill last year requiring age verification right, so a lot people will say, oh, you know, it's a private issue. This is a public policy issue. Because it radically changes people's behavior. And like you said, it becomes an uncontrollable thing and it's as bad as heroin and those other drugs. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:13:35] Well, you're right. And the other thing is that we're paying for this. If a grown adult is addicted to porn and they're buying their porn and they gotta have it, well, they're paying it. Our tax dollars are buying this stuff and then encouraging kids to read it in every school in the world. 

Rick Green [00:13:50] Meaning like our taxpayer dollars are paying for these books to go into the library and basically create the business for the porn industry. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:13:58] There I rest my case. 

Rick Green [00:14:00] And the left has taken this institution and they're now using it and using our money to indoctrinate the next generation. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:14:06] Yes, to change America radically. 

Rick Green [00:14:08] You know, I just hit me, you mentioned the Supreme Court, is this the, I did see a clip where Katanji Brown Jackson basically said, well, then don't read the book. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:14:15] Right. 

Rick Green [00:14:15] Or don't go to the school, as if most of these parents have the option and most of them don't. So she was very dismissive of, you know, hey, the parent, you know, first of all, they've tried to keep the parents from even knowing. But in this case, she's saying if the parent knows, we'll then take your kid to a different school. Most parents don't have that choice. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:14:32] Right. I mean, they don't. And the other thing is that these books, originally, this Maryland school district, I can't remember the name of it, they would allow parents to opt out. You don't want this, your kids can opt out, but then the school board came together and said, too many kids are opting out. Well, what does that tell you? That tells you that parents are not interested in this. And it is, I mean... Let me tell you, the books for the two and three and four-year-olds, they're very discouraging, very disgraceful, very shocking also. It's not just the older kids books, but those are the ones that I focus on. Yeah. 

Rick Green [00:15:05] And that also kind of explains, at least for me, I've wondered, you know, our mutual friend Kirk Cameron and all that he's done with getting rid of the drag queen stuff, or at least giving an alternative. I always wondered like, why? Why are parents even allowing this? Why are schools allowing this, and why are the drag queens even, why are they going into the schools? After the little bitty kids. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:15:26] After the babies. And the answer is this, scales over the eyes. Okay? I've known what that looked like conceptually my whole life, but I never encountered it where I literally see people. And by the way, I've also grown closer to Christ in my battle because you don't have a choice. You either become closer to Christs or you turn your back on Him. And I refuse to turn my back on Him. I will never. And so I can literally see things on a more spiritual level And I can see scales come down over their eyes and the people are just like, I don't see anything wrong with this. I'm like, okay, we'll look again. 

Rick Green [00:16:02] How in the world? 

Bonnie Wallace [00:16:03] But the Bible tells us. 

Rick Green [00:16:04] Yeah, it does. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:16:05] What is going to happen? 

Rick Green [00:16:06] It's a Romans 1 situation. They lack understanding. They've been given over to a depraved mind. I mean, there's no doubt about it. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:16:14] So let me tell you this. I discovered in June, July of last year that the Texas Department of Criminal Justice has a list of 10,800 books. They prohibit Texas prisoners from access. 

Rick Green [00:16:27] Wait, so they're so bad. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:16:28] They're so bad! 

Rick Green [00:16:29] They can't go into the prisons for the prisoners. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:16:32] But they are in all of our schools. 

Rick Green [00:16:32] But they're okay. Wait, how many? 

Bonnie Wallace [00:16:34] Ten thousand eight hundred they're not all related to sexual content some are late related to making bombs. Well, okay I don't want kids to have those either high schools, but I mean there's other categories 

Rick Green [00:16:44] But just the logic of that, right? It's too bad for the prisoners, but it's not too bad for our children. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:16:49] That's exactly right. So here we go. This is how Satan is working. 

Rick Green [00:16:52] So if we got a viewer right now that's going, you know what, my heart is stirred. This is a fight I want to engage in. What's the best way to get started? 

Bonnie Wallace [00:17:01] Well, they can call me or they can email me. I can, it's very detailed. So I can't tell you here now. It'll take too much time how to go on the school websites. You go into your school catalog and I have a list of 971 books. 

Rick Green [00:17:16] And so they can take your list. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:17:18] That's right. I can gladly send them my list, everybody. I've had lots of calls. 

Rick Green [00:17:23] And just email Bonnie and I'm telling you, she gives of her time to help all these people all over the country. It's one reason I'm so optimistic about the future of the country is that there's just been this army, it started with just a handful and now more and more people are saying, hey, you know what, I'll come spend my time. It's really literally live fortune, sacred honor. I'll spend my, you have to spend money doing this. It costs money to do this, to drive it all these places, to fly it all of these places. But more and people are saying I wanna make a difference. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:17:50] And it's because they're looking at the books, right? If you're listening to the rhetoric, you're even listening to the news, you say, well, it's not so bad. It's these crazy radical zealots, you know, book burners. It's not that it's so, it is so shocking that, when you actually open your eyes and take a look, you cannot turn your back on the children, you must stand. And so we stand this book. If I have a minute, I'm going to finish up with this book this book I found recently, it is about a 14-year-old girl who decides she doesn't want to live with her parents anymore. And so she goes to a homeless camp, finds a female about her size and shape, invites her home to visit, kills her, and then leaves her own suicide note. And wait, she goes live off the grid with six other 14-year-olds who've done the same thing. This is also a 12-year old book of the year. And so they are talking one night and they decide that her stepfather has always looked at her funny. And has to die. So they're laughing for about two and a half pages about how they know the perfect way to get away with murder. And I asked school boards, why are we allowing these demonic thoughts to be planted in our children's minds? 

Rick Green [00:19:09] Exactly. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:19:11] So it's not only sex, very very heavy drug use, sex with animals, dead bodies, sex in public, no I mean I got it all for you. 

Rick Green [00:19:21] Oh my goodness. I mean you're dealing with evil all the time. Folks at home want to pray for you. What would you ask for? 

Bonnie Wallace [00:19:29] I never have a problem except if I disconnect from Jesus, right? So, so press. 

Rick Green [00:19:34] You literally covered in armor when you were going in. I mean, yeah. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:19:37] And remember, our armor only covers our front, y'all. So when we're taking flame minion arrows and fiery darts, if we turn and run because we are fearful, well, we have no cover. That's good, that'll preach by it. It covers only our front. 

Rick Green [00:19:52] preach. 

Bonnie Wallace [00:19:52] So, I just try to stay connected to Jesus, because when I disconnect and say, okay, I'm going to go do this that you don't like very much, that's when my problems hit. So, just pray that I have the courage and the discernment to stay connect to Jesus. If God's on my side, it doesn't matter. 

Rick Green [00:20:11] Bonnie Wallace, wow, wow wow wow, God bless you. Alright, stay with us folks, we'll be right back with David and Tim Barton. 

Rick Green [00:21:24] Welome back to the WallBuilders show. Thanks for staying with us back with David and Tim now, wow, guys, I mean that, you know, you said it, David, right before that even the schools that, teachers that think it's not in their schools or school parents that think, it's not in there in their school. It is. And, and Tim, to your point, early in the program, a lot of the teachers don't even know, or, you know, they certainly are not behind putting these things in the schools. But parents just, they've got to be bold at this point. I mean, even, and I dare say not even just parents, but people in the community, because even if your kids don't go to that school, Those kids in that school are going to be voting in your community. They're going to running businesses in your community or running the schools in your community, so they're part of your community, so you should care about them as well. 

Tim Barton [00:22:03] Yeah, and one of the things I will say that is a piece of potential good news and certainly a prerequest right now is there's actually a case at the U.S. Supreme Court right now, Mahmoud versus Taylor, that deals with parents that tried to get exemption for their kids from some of the gender ideology and the school said, no, you can't opt your kids out of this. So this is something as we're talking about, a lot of states are working on solutions and as probably people that have been listening for a while know, we have a. A pro-family legislative network. We work with over a thousand state legislators and there's a lot of them that will work to introduce these kind of bills to protect students, to make sure that parents have the option to protect their kids in these scenarios. But the good news is this might be something that Supreme Court is able to rule on and say that religious liberty trumps whatever the school board thinks that should be mandated for these students. And so I do think this could be positive. Coming down from the Supreme Court and it will probably make a difference and this is not the only case also in courts First Liberty has a case ADF a lot of our friends are dealing with things pertaining to education and religious liberty in education So I think there's a possibility we will get some positive things from the supreme court But it doesn't mean we shouldn't be like Bonnie's been doing very active in our states showing up at the school boards things The kind of stuff that Moms for Liberty, Moms For America have been doing, that's exactly what she's doing and we need more of this. 

David Barton [00:23:30] And when you look at what you said, she said, you know, she checked 157 school districts, school libraries, and not one of them was clean of those books. And that goes back to the point, it's out there. So even if we win these cases in various courts, if we went to the U.S. Supreme Court, that's not going to clean out all the libraries. And she made a comment I thought was really important spiritually. She says, when you see, you get motivated. Well, seeing is the key. If you see it, you'll get motivated, and that's where I think the scripture's really good in Proverbs 28-27. Says if you see a need... And you turn away your eyes, then a curse will come upon you. And so if you're gonna hide your head in the sand so you don't have to get involved in this, I don't wanna go look at my libraries. I don't wanna see what's there because if I see I'll be held accountable. That's not acceptable. You can't turn your eyes away from a need. And this is a need that's in the schools for sure. 

Tim Barton [00:24:17] Dad, what verse was that? 

David Barton [00:24:18] That was in Proverbs 28, 27. The last part of the verse says, He that hideeth his eyes shall have many a curse. And so that's the thing, if you turn, and that doesn't matter where you're looking at the poor and saying, hey, I don't wanna help the poor in the corner or anything else, when you just turn your head away from it, God holds you accountable for that. That is an action, it's an action to do nothing and that's not acceptable. The other one that I thought she said was really good, she talked about the fact that God's given us the armor, Ephesians six, but that armor, everything about it only works for the front. If you turn your back, then you're open to the enemy. It only works to protect you when you're moving forward and advancing. 

Tim Barton [00:24:53] Now guys, this is not quite in the category of dad joke, but it's along those lines and not to downplay, right? That the value, you know, when Rick, you told it like that'll preach, right. Like you should, the armor of God is for you to go on offense, not for you be on defense and run away. But, so think dad joke with me for a second. So in the armor God, why don't you have any armor on your back? 

Rick Green [00:25:20] Wait, dad joke, I gotta think now. Let's see, I'm in the grandpa joke mode at this point, so. It would be the same. 

Tim Barton [00:25:26] Well, you don't have any armor on your back because God's got your back. 

Rick Green [00:25:29] Ah, okay. 

Tim Barton [00:25:32] That's the kid explanation when a kid was explaining Ephesians 6 and why don't you have armor on your back? And then I heard a kid say that I thought, you know, it's cute But there's actually probably some really good theology in there And then we do our part when we go forward God is ultimately our protector That the Bible tells us that a man may prepare for battle But ultimately victory comes from the Lord and so this is something that we certainly need to pay attention to dad As you mentioned, we shouldn't turn a blind eye. We should and the full equipping of the armor of God, we should engage in this cultural battle for the sake of our kids, for the safe of other people's kids. Rick, as you said, maybe not even our kids in these schools, but for all the other kids in the schools, we need to step up and make a difference. 

Rick Green [00:26:13] Yeah, and I think not turning, you know, turn the blind eye. It's kind of like this, this is our year to celebrate the declaration. Um, and Jefferson said mankind, you know, we'll put up with evils while those evils are sufferable. And, uh, sometimes people have turned a blind eye to this because they just didn't want to have to get into this mess or they just didn't have time or whatever, you can't suffer this evil any longer because it's taken a hold of these kids and this is, our chance to interrupt it very special. Thanks to Bonnie Wallace for joining us today. Thank you for listening today. Be sure and visit the websites, wallbuilders.com. And wallbuilders.show. You've been listening to The WallBuilder Show.