Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's the WallBuilders Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective. This is Rick Green normally here with David Barton and Tim Barton, but today we're going to have Kevin Freeman with us from a Tavern interview I did. So if you're not familiar with Tavern, that's the show I do over for warrior poet society network as John Lovell's organization and streaming network. They do great work over there as well. You can also catch the Tavern on Patriot U that's patriotu.com. Anyways, tavern, by the way, is based on the idea that the taverns in the revolutionary period, that was the place you went to talk about things, to do the strategies and tactics necessary to, to launch freedom. And so we have those types of discussions there in the tavern, just like the first, the first state to ratify the constitution was Delaware. And they did that in a tavern. I just think that's cool. Anyway, so the tavern is a, uh, weekly program, just having those in-depth conversations. with folks like Kevin Freeman. And so I had had that airing this week with Kevin Freeman, wanted to share it with the WallBuilders audience as well. So you're getting the audio version of part of the interview here. And then you can get the rest if you'd go to warrior poet society network or to Patriot U to hear the rest or watch the rest of the interview. Kevin Freeman, of course, pirate money and, and economic war room, which you can watch his regular show on Patriot U as well, and sort of our resident expert on all things constitutional regarding the money supply. And so this is gonna be a very interesting conversation. All right, if you wanna get more on the radio program, you can go to wallbuilders.show. That's wallbuilders.show. That's where we house all the programs. You can daily get the downloads there or listen to it online. You can also catch up. If you miss some programs, it's all stored right there at wallbuilders.show. And then our main website wallbuilders.com. That's where you can, of course, get all the David Barton's presentations, Tim Barton's presentations, the books, the- Founders Bible, I mean, all of those different tools available there, pick up a biblical citizenship in modern America, some of the other constitution classes, it's all available at wallbuilders.com. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we will jump right into the Tavern Interview with Kevin Freeman. Stay with us. you're listening to the Wobbler Show. 

Rick Green [00:03:16] Welcome back to The WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Let's jump right in. Here's Kevin Freeman, joining me in the tavern. Kevin is in studio. You're not just like, we're not on screen, like acting like we're. 

Kevin Freeman [00:03:27] No, I'm not artificial intelligence. 

Rick Green [00:03:29] All right. So listen, you're in town. He came and spoke to the Fredericksburg tea party. Had a good time last night. 

Kevin Freeman [00:03:34] It was fabulous, yeah. Great crowd, great Patriots. Fredericksburg is an amazing community. It's a great place. It is, I mean, the two Patriots here and now with Patriot Academy. I mean, you can't get better. This is gonna be a landmark in the state of Texas right here because Patriot Academy, I mean, they're gonna start building monuments here. It's gonna have tourist business here. It's gonna be like Waco with Chip and Joanna Gaines. Only it's gonna be for Liberty and not for home decor. 

Rick Green [00:04:01] Did you have to say Waco though because I already have people going is that David is that Rick Green like a David Koresh guy? Are they building a big cult there? 

Kevin Freeman [00:04:08] That wasn't even Waco and that that's so long ago. I hear you're a good young audience does it 

Rick Green [00:04:14] They don't know but we had a whole bunch of Fredericksburg people come out a couple weeks ago and had a reception over the chamber which you got to see yesterday and we had a wonderful evening And I can't tell you how many of them were like we just wanted to make sure you weren't doing a you know cult We were no no kool-aid. This is not a kool-aid place. Yes, that's exactly right, but Jesus is Lord here So we will make that clear. Um, you're also I have a bone to pick with you man I can't believe that you're gonna end up passing transactional gold in another state other than Texas before Texas. 

Kevin Freeman [00:04:47] It is still possible how to get it done one else be tax get on the phone all brian hughes call lieutenant saying that we're all the governor call the group told us the rose and tell him. Tell him that they want that here i wish you would be it can be here. 

Rick Green [00:05:05] No, I'm actually thankful that you're strategic enough to go do it in all these other states so that we can get it done. 

Kevin Freeman [00:05:11] Taxes can be first still. 

Rick Green [00:05:12] We have to update everybody, because first of all, you gotta read Pirate Money, get the book. I should have had your book out. I just moved in here, so I don't have, I did have your book on my desk, that desk right over there at my other office in Dripping Springs, but somehow in the move. Maybe Marnie can find it in one of those boxes. Throw it at us. No,. 

Kevin Freeman [00:05:28] She can get one out of the car. 

Rick Green [00:05:29] Yeah. You should, by the time we're done, we'll have a pirate money book to show. But anyway, you need to read it. And, um, what's the best way to help? I mean, to get this done. We, we did a whole show on this about what it is. We'll remind you a little bit in a minute, but if you're this close in some of these states, what's the push like that we can do that the voters in the state can do. 

Kevin Freeman [00:05:48] First off, people need to know this is just another way to pay. If you use Zelle or Venmo or PayPal, uh, wouldn't you like to be able to do that with gold or silver because they hold their value. So it's very, very simple. People complicate it too much, but it gives you the chance to be on a personal optional gold or silver standard. It avoids capital gains, tax risks. 

Rick Green [00:06:12] All the IRS reporting you have to 

Kevin Freeman [00:06:13] Yes, or the federal government trying to take the goal like they did in 1933, which was undoubtedly unconstitutional. But it's possible with simple legislation for Article 1 Section 10 money to be made real. And all you got to do is go to transactionalgoal.com. Look at transactionalgoal.com and see what efforts we have in your state. Because I know this covers, you cover the nation and find out what's going on in your state and then contact your legislator we actually have bill numbers being put in we're keeping real-time tab with with great people like David Barton's pro family legislative you know like the national that's really in 

Rick Green [00:06:53] I bet you ended up with some states filing as a result of, not this last time but the time before that, and then this last time too. 

Kevin Freeman [00:07:01] Absolutely, we we met new people there and the at NACL National Association Christian lawmakers Yeah, Jason raper and we met people through the state financial officers foundation like Marla Oaks Who's the treasurer in Utah like the treasurer John Fleming in louisiana like Todd Russ in Oklahoma like actually, Jimmy Petronas who's the CFO in Florida, but is soon to be in Congress because he's running on the Republican ticket in a very conservative It's Matt Gaetz's seat, a very conservative seat, and he's got President Trump's endorsement. So we're not endorsing him. It's just any honest observer will say that guy's got a good shot at this. Yes, yeah. 

Rick Green [00:07:44]  look who just came in and brought us a pirate money book and a treasure map. Look at this. If you don't know Kevin and Marnie, you need to know Kevin and Marnie, but just know Marnie's the smart one. She's the brains behind the operate pretty high marriage with Kara. She's got all the right, you know, background, all the right wisdom. We're just dancing chickens and the liar and Marnie and people like them. They don't like that. Yeah, that's true. It's okay. Tell us, wait, First I gotta show the book. This is fun. We should do this in person more Kevin this Marni's over here actually dancing 

Kevin Freeman [00:08:17] She's the dancing chicken too. We should have camera operator number seven, the guy running the big jib back there, he needs to turn and catch Marnie in the studio audience. Cause this massive, I've never, I've been on Dr. Phil's set and it's really nice, but you got him beat all over the place. 

Rick Green [00:08:36]  Okay, Pirate Money, right there now, is your website where you want people to go to get it. And we're gonna start carrying it to Patriot Academy, but we don't have it in the store yet, so you gotta- Piratemoneybook.com. There it is, piratemoneybook.com. Okay, I'm gonna admit once again, I think I did this when we were on before, I always do a constitution class. When I do a live class, I always start by saying, hey, I can be wrong, you gotta correct me, iron sharpening iron. I learned more from Kevin about Article I, Section 10 and how this works than I would have ever, I was wrong in the first time I filmed my class when I got to that part, I totally described it wrong. I didn't talk about this option and that was 15 years ago. I'm telling you, you gotta read this book. I learned so much and we're actually, we've got clips of Kevin that we've been sharing with people and what we've been talking about and getting our coaches to talk about this around the country. So get the book and get educated on this. Tell us what this is. 

Kevin Freeman [00:09:23] Well, this is a treasure map, but before we leave Article 1, Section 10, I want to tell you this is very important to understand. A continental note, produced in Philadelphia in 1776, I have one as a keepsake, it's a four dollar note. It says, this note's payable in four Spanish mill dollars or the equivalent in gold and silver bullion. From the beginning of the founding of this nation, gold and silver were money. Now you could have them coined, and you could exchange coins, but if you didn't have any coins, you could use actual gold and silver bullion, and that's what our legislation's based on that reality. And it's been documented in court cases, including Bronson vs. Roach, which is a cool court case. Can I tell you about the- 

Rick Green [00:10:01] Yeah, well you wait just for the people that that that main have been new viewers that you weren't Whether whenever Kevin was on whenever that was two or three months ago. You don't have to carry the actual coins That's what he's talking about is you literally would be like a credit card same way you pay with any other credit card, but it's drawing on your gold and silver so you don't have to haul around bags of gold and silver. I just want to make sure they get which is 

Kevin Freeman [00:10:20] People say well, that's weird. You don't haul around your cash to you I mean how much you have in your wallet versus how much you have in your banking? So you don't carry a lot of cash most people know it So there's a debit card and you put the gold and silver on deposit in Leander Which is not right can't be far from here not the hour and a half Yeah, and Leander and then they'll give you a debit card and they'll keep track of what you spend and what you don't spend Just like the bank does with your debit card Under the Constitution a state can make gold and silver coins they said they can't make anything other than gold and silver legal tender and the reason for that was we have 13 states at the beginning and they didn't want New York to have their gold coin to be 40% gold and 60% base metal and then have New Jersey be a little bit different and then have Virginia be a little bit different they wanted a uniform yeah so they could only use gold and silver coins that they didn't meant and they meant Spanish coins. Spanish mill dollars, or Spanish gold doubloons. It's also called an escudo. A mill dollar was known as a piece of eight, and an escudo was known as gold doubloon. So when you hear gold doubloons and pieces of eight, you think Captain Jack Sparrow, you think Long John Silver, you think Blackbeard, you think- 

Rick Green [00:11:33] I was here. He does a great Jack Sparrow could have inserted that it would have been funny, but I'm terrible at it So I'm not even trying 

Kevin Freeman [00:11:40] that's why we made a treasure map because it's all about pirate money and this is what the treasure map looks like We get shipwrecked at Jekyll Island, and if you don't know what Jekyll Island is, read the book, Creature from Jekyll Island. It's about the founding of the Federal Reserve. Which you actually went there last year. I did. Yeah, yeah. It's an extra constitution. I mean, the Congress deeded their ability to coin money to the Federal Reserve, and they created this quasi-governmental institution that's part private bank, part under government control, but they print and produce our money. 

Rick Green [00:12:12] Here's a question. Terrible year by the way, 1913 is when they did the income tax 16th amendment and they got rid of, you know, electing our senators through our legislature 17th amendment and the fed all in one year. What were they smoking? 

Kevin Freeman [00:12:25] Right? 13 is unlucky, right? Oh, there it is, yes. All right, so when they did this at Jekyll Island and they gave them this authority, I've got a real tough question for you. Uh-oh. Do we print money as a nation? 

Rick Green [00:12:41] Do we print money? Do we print money? This is a trick question. You know, we print a piece of paper. I don't know what the question is. The answer is, yeah, I mean, do we print... 

Kevin Freeman [00:12:51] Yes. We do. All right. And the government can print as much as they want, right? Unfortunately, yes. But does the government also borrow money? Yes. Why is it, if we print money, that we have to borrow money? 

Rick Green [00:13:05] That's a great question. I don't know the answer three in a row, and then I'm stumped on the last one. I don't know, why is that? 

Kevin Freeman [00:13:10] You know, Jared Bernstein, who was the number one economist under Joe Biden, was asked that question. He said, well, we definitely print money and we definitely loan that money. No, is that what we do? We definitely print money and then we loan, no, we sell bonds. Yeah, that's what we do, we sell bonds, but that's borrowing. He couldn't answer it either. Okay, top economy. 

Kevin Freeman [00:13:31] He worked for Biden. I don't want to be in that category You just threw me in the category with Biden's economic advisors No, I actually I think it's because they actually know that if you print too much you're gonna devalue and all that or no the 

Kevin Freeman [00:13:43] Well, the reason for it is to insert a bank in between. J.P. Morgan and a bunch of bankers met on Jekyll Island at the Rockefeller mansion, and they decided, how can we get control of the money supply? They took it away from the Treasury. They put it in the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Reserve then is the one that loans the money out. They borrow, the federal government borrows from them. They sell treasury bonds to the Federal Reserve, and that's how they control monetary. 

Kevin Freeman [00:14:12] So not only do they make tremendous money being the go-between, they actually get to control and manipulate the market as well. 

Kevin Freeman [00:14:18] And that's how we got shipwrecked on Jekyll Island. The Federal Reserve has been the one responsible for enabling our government. 

Rick Green [00:14:26] We got shipwrecked on Jekyll Island. 

Kevin Freeman [00:14:28] And so then we've got to find the... 

Rick Green [00:14:29] This guy's pretty good. We should get him a show. Yeah. Can you think of something like economic... I don't know, you're sort of like at war, so maybe economic war room? Oh, that works. Who wouldn't want to watch that? Would anybody watch that? I hope so. 

Kevin Freeman [00:14:43] If economicwarroom.com, you can watch that show. Sign up to get our free economic battle plans at economicwarroom.com. Here it is, all right, so you start, you get shipwrecked at Jekyll Island. You go past the Emerald City, which is the story of the Wizard of Oz. Most people don't know this. Wizard of Oz was written as an economic allegory. It was written in the year 1900, 125 years ago. What do the red slips stand for? There were no ruby red slips. 

Rick Green [00:15:10] There weren't. 

Kevin Freeman [00:15:11] Not in the book, that's in the movie. So what was Dorothy was trying to get back to Kansas. Yes. In other words, people felt that America was off because we didn't have proper money anymore. And how do I get back to where I was? So well, she gets attacked by the wicked witch of the Northeast, which represents the bankers. 

Rick Green [00:15:31] And this is only 20, 30 years after. Right? After 1913. 

Kevin Freeman [00:15:34] No, this is 1900, 13 years before. 

Rick Green [00:15:38] It's before? 

Rick Green [00:15:38] Before the Federal Reserve. So we had greenbacks. 

Rick Green [00:15:41] Now I'm confused. 

Kevin Freeman [00:15:42] All right, so in the greenbacks and the Civil War, Lincoln basically produced unbacked paper money. And the South did too, Confederate dollars. And they just printed a bunch of money and it created an economic hardship in the nation. And so in 1900, they were trying to get back to real America. 

Rick Green [00:15:59] It's the wooden nickel. 

Kevin Freeman [00:16:00] Yeah, wooden nickel, there you go. 

[00:16:03] Different story, sorry. Go, it's like, if you would stopinterrupting me, Rick

Kevin Freeman [00:16:09] It's a lot funnier when Rick interrupts, isn't it? It's much better. All right, so Dorothy wanted to get home to normal America and how's she gonna do it? Well, they told her to follow the yellow brick road. Who wanted to stop her? The wicked witch of the Northeast, the bankers, sending out the flying monkeys representing lawyers. You're not a lawyer, you're not a lawyer, right? Oh, geez. I'll put it to you, I've got to dumb this down again. I'm gonna make it even, even more basic. No, send out the, the flying monkeys as lawyers. If I start paying you cash on an hourly basis, I know you'll listen, because that's all lawyers are good for. You're right, you're right. Can we sign on? 

Rick Green [00:16:54] Representation agreement, I need to take you. All right, folks, one more break. Stay with us. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show

Rick Green [00:18:07] Welcome back to theWallBuilders Show. Let's jump right back in and get the conclusion with Kevin Freeman, where he joined me in the tavern. 

Kevin Freeman [00:18:14] So she's gonna follow the yellow brick road, that's gold. And she wore a silver slipper, so it's a gold and silver standard. It's called the Wizard of Ounce, O-Z. I get it, O-Z? And then she stops by the Emerald City, which is here, and she finds out that's where the greenbacks are produced, they're green like the Emerald, and she wants to know if the central bankers have any authority behind the curtain, or are they just making up fake money? And she finds out the wizard has nothing back behind the curtain. 

Rick Green [00:18:44] So it's all a sham. 

Rick Green [00:18:45] It's all a sham. So she had to figure out how to get past that and that is she was there with a farmer, the scarecrow, the tin man, the factory worker, and even the large, the tea party of their day was the tea totem movement, actually, right? At Toto, that was the nickname for the tea toters. 

Kevin Freeman [00:19:02] No kidding. Did you know that PT Barnum was a teetotaler? I'm sorry. I know I'm sidetracked. Anyway, go ahead. 

Kevin Freeman [00:19:09] Well, he needed to stay sober because he was fleecing everybody else. 

Kevin Freeman [00:19:12] He made a bunch of his money back going out and giving speeches on the Temperance Tour. Good for him. I didn't know that. I had no idea. Yeah, yeah, anyway, I know I'm sidetracking. 

Kevin Freeman [00:19:20] I didn't get that. What was that movie that came out? But you brought a photo, so. Yeah. What was that movie that they just did? 

Rick Green [00:19:25] The one that, what's his name, you know? 

Rick Green [00:19:28] Yeah, Wolverine. Yeah, Wolverine. Hugh Jackman. Yeah, Hugh Jackman, yes. No, it was great, The Greatest Showman, that's it. The Greatest Showman. But he also- They didn't have that in there. He was a state rep. He was PT Barney, he was a state rep and he voted for the 13th Amendment. He actually helped to ratify the end of slavery. Well, that's awesome. Anyway, I know. 

Kevin Freeman [00:19:47] Yes, but I didn't. You're not the great showman. I don't want to break out singing. I don't want to hear it. You don't want me to sing. Okay. So they go past the Emerald city, then you go through the inflation tidal wave, the taxation quicksand, the BRICS nations trying to destroy our currency. The ultimate goal is state-based economic freedom. That's the treasure. Because our economy was not intended to be controlled by the federal government. It was every state has their own economy. Texas is good at energy and a whole lot of other things. But if you leave it to the national government, then they're gonna be infringing on a lot of what Texas is doing. 

Rick Green [00:20:24] Well, if we do separate, if we pass this transactional goal to separate states, would you then have a choice where you, you know, which card or which source you use? 

Kevin Freeman [00:20:35] Sure, because the interstate commerce allows you to do business across state lines. That's the purpose of the interstate commerce clause is to keep states from going against each other. It was to open up. It was not to control through the EPA, the wetlands and all that. That's just nonsense. But this is state-based economic freedom where if the federal government goes off the rails making too much money, you can hold gold and silver and use it like money and the state will protect it. That's the whole. That is the entire message of the pirate money, discovering the founder's hidden plan for economic justice and defeating the Great Reset. And when George Washington threw a dollar across the river, and it wasn't the Potomac, it was the Rappinoch River, and they actually. have a history to show this. They actually tested it. Did you know that? 

Rick Green [00:21:21] No, I didn't know that. 

Kevin Freeman [00:21:22] 100 years ago. 

Rick Green [00:21:23] We need to do a Chase of the American Legends episode on this. 

Kevin Freeman [00:21:25] You should. 100 and some years ago, they got the best baseball pitcher to see if he could throw a dollar across. It was not a piece of paper with George's picture on it wadded up. It was a silver dollar. And you, guess what? You can throw it across the river. Skipping it? No, no, you throw it across. Not the Potomac. That would be a little hard. It was the Rappanoac River, and he did. Apparently there's legend is absolutely been a myth busters style It plausible plausible plausible 

Rick Green [00:21:56] Oh, wait, I got to go back to having the transactional gold to protect us against an out of control federal monetary policy, even with a Trump type in office, even with good policy for a few years here, 37 trillion in debt. All of the, you know, economic chickens are going to come home to roost, right? Right. This is a protection for your personal wealth and so that the economy doesn't fall apart. 

Kevin Freeman [00:22:23] And let me be clear. We're not trying to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Somebody might try to do that, and I might even support it, but that's not what we're trying to do. You don't have to do that. We're trying to give states the option to have their own currency as the Constitution allowed. So up until 1857, I think it was, in the Coinage Act, any state can make Spanish mill dollars and gold doubloons. Legal tender. And what year was that? I think it was 1857 was the currency act. And at that, here's what happened. They literally said, we will now mint our own currency at the federal level and therefore we will not allow you to use foreign coins anymore. So anyone who has a foreign coin, you need to bring it in and we will melt it down, recast it and give you a US version of that. And the people did not trust that they were going to put as much silver in the new coin as it was in the old coin. So people just they didn't bring them and they didn't, they hoarded them. And so there were contracts that were written for gold and silver coins. And so like you and I had an agreement and I said, you know, I'll pay you in 10 years and I will pay you X number of gold coins, so many ounces of gold. let's say 10 years passed and there aren't any coins around. So I said, well, I'll pay you in legal tender. This piece of paper says this note is legal tender for all debts public and private. So I'm gonna pay you back. And he said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We have a contract. I want the gold coins. Oh, no, no, this is just as good. You would be Bronson and I would be Rhodes. And Bronson decided to sue Rhodes. He knew he would get back to that case. All the way up to the Supreme Court. Sue them all the way to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court looked Bronson and Rhodes and they had this incredible ruling and they said, hey buddy, pay them in gold or silver. But no, there are no coins. You don't have to give them coins. A bullion is just as good. Because what's the value of a coin other than it being a certain weight and a certain purity of gold or silver and a stamp on it that says that weight and purity. So just pay them the same amount in gold or silver and Rhodes says, oh, shoot, I can't give him worthless paper. I have to actually give him gold and silver. That ruling makes this possible. 

Rick Green [00:24:40] And it's Bronson versus Rhodes. We gotta get this done, man. We gotta get this done. Folks, all right. PirateMoney. PirateMoney book. Book, Doug. Well, wait a minute. Where's the link for keeping up with legislation? That's transaction. 

Kevin Freeman [00:24:53] Transactionalgold.com or for you, Constitutionalcurrency.org. Constitutional currency, cause you'll remember that, cause everybody that listens to this knows the Constitution. Constitutionalcurrency.org or Transactionalgold.com that goes to the very same place. Ken Ivory got a portion of this passed in Utah just last week. Now we gotta get the governor to sign it. 

Rick Green [00:25:17] Alright, good stuff happening, and by the way, oh wait, before we go, tell us about Liberty Hawk Ranch because I mentioned it at the beginning, and I don't think we talked about that in our last... 

Kevin Freeman [00:25:23] And Liberty Hawk Ranch is dedicated to promoting liberty, security, and values for Americans. And we're working with a bunch of organizations, like we love Patriot Academy. We love Paul Blair and Liberty Pastors. We love Citizens Defending Freedom with Steve Maxwell. And we're working to help all of them. And we're sponsored by our friends, Timothy Plan and Patriot Mobile. and we're working to help all of them grow their audience and take back this nation for Christ. 

Kevin Freeman [00:25:57] All right everybody, thanks for listening. That was Kevin Freeman after joining me in the tavern, talking about the economic policy that is necessary for the future, which is transactional gold. It's just a piece of the puzzle that's got to be put in place. Should have been done a long time ago. We now have an opportunity to make it happen. This is just a wonderful season to be alive, folks. All these big strides in restoring liberty and transactional gold's one of those and Kevin has led the charge on that. Would love to see it happen, of course, in my home state of Texas. I'm excited that Florida is so close to doing it. I just hate getting beat by Florida all the time. So we'll see what happens, but hope you enjoyed that and got educated on some of those issues today. I love learning new things. And I hope you do as well. If you do go to wallbuilders.show today and listen to more of our programming and share it with more of your friends and family. Thanks again for listening to the WallBuilders Show.