Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. Thanks for joining us today on the WallBuilders Show. Bashir and visit our websites wallbuilders.com and WallBuilders.show. I'm Rick Green here with David and Tim Barton and special guest Rudy Atallah. Always good to have Rudy on with us and today for the whole show. Rudy, thanks for coming on, man. 

Rudy Atallah [00:00:23] Thank you for having me. 

Rick Green [00:00:25] Well, man, we just wanted to catch up. And David was like, hey, we usually get like ten minutes with Rudy. It's not long enough. Let's do the whole show. So we're, we're there's there's a lot there's a lot this week going on. It does seem like there's a lot of good. But man, it just also seems like people are trying to create chaos and these last few weeks of the Biden administration. So we don't even know exactly where to start. 

David Barton [00:00:45] We've known Rudy for a long time and we've done so many things with him going. Tim and I are on the board for Glenn Beck. And so we run Help run the Nazarene Fund and Nazarene Fund rescues persecuted Christians, religious minorities across the world. And Rudy has been the guy running that for years for us. He's on the ground. He is one of the best guys. On knowing what the condition is in every country, what who the good guys are, who the bad guys are. Listen, he helped get those 17,000 folks out of Afghanistan. We talked about that three years ago or so when when that was falling under Biden. And we were able to get all those folks out. Nazarene Fund, it was Rudy who was doing all that coordinated, all that. And so he has so many contacts across the world. Hollywood even made a movie about some of his operations militarily. So there's a lot of stuff there to talk about. But Root is now part of the next administration as well. He'll be working in the White House, working on security kind of stuff. And so we figured, man, this guy has he's the guy we turn to anyway. But now with this new position, what's the world going to look like when when Trump takes office? And what happens between now and then? Because Rudy is a guy who's got his his finger on the pulse of virtually every issue, every war, every conflict, every security thing going across the world. His intelligence level is just unbelievable, the access he has information to. So it's going to be I'm really curious to see kind of what he thinks is going to happen between now and inauguration and even after inauguration. 

Rick Green [00:02:10] It almost seems like if I was on Who Wants to Be a millionaire, I definitely want Rudy as my phone a friend if there's an international conflict question

David Barton [00:02:18] Yeah Absolutely. 

Rick Green [00:02:19] Rudy actually, let's start with 

Rudy Atallah [00:02:20] You guys are in trouble. 

Rick Green [00:02:23] Let's start with before Trump sworn in, are you kind of here in on the ground behind the scenes even, you know, like what's happened in the last 30 days in terms of just things shaking up? I mean, is is there a difference just knowing that he's coming in on January 20th? 

Rudy Atallah [00:02:40] I mean, you can see it. The market's reacted already to the fact that Trump was elected. So, you know, from investor standpoints, you can see across the board that people, you know, are expecting change. Whether it's oil prices dropping, whether it's, you know, people taking their last licks at each other between, you know, Putin, Zelensky and Ukraine, you know, the regime in in the Middle East and the Assad regime collapsing, you know, Turkey taking taking Iran with HTC hired to create a sham. You know, a lot of people have noticed that there's going to be a massive change here. And the drumbeats are on. And, you know, Trump is sitting there going, okay, inauguration is around the corner. I think we're 30 some odd days away. And before I come into office, let's see how much we can we can kind of move the needle before we jump in and take the hot seat and really put things into into play. Now, obviously, I cannot speak for the president. I can just tell you what I think is happening. 

Tim Barton [00:03:50] As you were saying, even Russia and Ukraine and I didn't know where you're going to go. And so I didn't want to go too far in one direction and not be able to come back. Yeah. You know, one of the things that that even some of my friends and I we've been talking about is with it. I don't think we would say Biden is the one doing this. We talked about off air. You know, he he just added an ice cream cone every day. Right. That's just right. He's he's maybe not on the forefront of making these international impacting decisions. Sure. But it certainly seems like something it is somebody or a team of group of people in his Administration are very supportive of World War three starting. And maybe that's because they have friends on the boards of some of these big military industrial complex organizations, you know. The Raytheon's, Lockheed, whoever. I don't know where they are, but they they profited a benefit through war. And it seems like there are people there that are trying to stir things up to make it more difficult and challenging for President Trump when he gets there and make the world more unsafe, then what we would think they should be doing of helping protect Americans and make the world a safer place. Do you see that from your side? Because you're gonna have intelligence we don't have You don't know way more than we know. But just from the outside looking in, it seems like there are people promoting chaos, promoting war, whether that's to hurt Trump or just had their own pockets, I'm not sure. But what do you think about that? 

Rudy Atallah [00:05:12] So so let me unpack this and two pieces in two parts. Part one Here in the United States, whenever you have a shift in administration like we're having right now. Right. Typically, the people that are political appointees and people that are in senior positions often see the writing on the wall because they are essentially tainted by, you know, the current party. So what they do is they they divest or they they step out of government earlier and they try to find their jobs in in the corporate world or whether it's teaching positions or whatnot before the end of the administration. What that does is it leaves the number twos and number threes essentially to run policy. And oftentimes when you have those individuals stepping up, they're trying to get their mark as acting assistant secretary of state or acting deputy assistant secretary of defense. And oftentimes they start making these really crazy decisions at the last second in trying to shape foreign policy to kind of make things stick for their name right before they punch out. So that's one part of it. The other part of it is, remember, on the other side of the planet, Putin and Zelensky both see the writing on the wall that Trump is coming. And so in order to enter some favorable negotiations for their peace, what they what they're doing right now is is making a last push. So Putin is making last push for territory and essentially to make his mark that way. When he goes into those peace agreements where Trump is going to try to bring or try to push for peace and instability in that region, they at least have something to bargain with. Same thing on the Zelensky side, right? I think Zelensky already sees the writing on the wall that this war is going to end because it's unsustainable From his position. He cannot keep throwing warm bodies at the problem. There are so many Ukrainian men that can fight. It's it's just constant attrition. He's losing a lot and there's no way he's going to win this war. Putin is taking North Koreans. He's taking Africans. He's taking Middle Easterners. As long as there's money, he's going to keep funneling warm bodies at the at the problem until he gets what he wants. So I think what's happening here is the fact that, you know. They see that Trump is going to come in and Trump is going to want to stop this war. Once he stops this war, Putin is going to carry one chunk of the territory and Zelinski is going to have to bite that and say, okay, ah, you know, Putin gets a piece of it. But the return is Zelinski and the rest of Ukraine now gets to be a member of NATO's. And if if if Putin decides to attack in the future, it's already attacking NATO's. And that's going to be a whole different animal than not having a non natal member. So I think there's going to be a lot of change here in in coming coming forward. We're going to see this whole problem set go away. I don't think you know, it may seem like we're pushing towards World War three, but I think it's just that last ditch effort to try to essentially get themselves in a better position to bargain in the future. So it's the same thing in different parts. I mean, same thing you're seeing in the in the Middle East right now. I did hear a rumor and it's only a rumor. I cannot I have not been able to validate it yet. But the speed in which the for example, the Assad regime collapsed and the speed at which the Russians pulled out, I was told that it could have been a back end deal saying, hey, Trump is coming in. You know, if you really want a favorable deal with Ukraine and and just to hold your territory, then you just basically divest of Syria. You walk away from Syria, you let the Assad regime collapse. You take you take the the the butcher of Damascus kind of with you and then and then let the rest of it fall where it may and let everybody take their own portion because in it, Turkey will get stability in the northern part of Syria, which they've always wanted, create a 10% buffer so they don't have Kurds pushing into their territory anymore so they can get that stability in the southwest corner. Israel gets to hold on to the Golan Heights and a little bit further into Syria, creating that really comfortable buffer for Israel. Essentially, you negotiate a peace deal inside Lebanon, hopefully bringing in a government and there's a potential for some good people to come in. For example, a guy named Joseph Allen, who is the head of the the the Lebanese armed forces is a strong Christian, very principled individual, does not take bribes, does not care who tells him what he wants Hezbollah out. This guy can be a very good leader. Another guy named Georgia, who's also a Christian leader who also wants peace with Israel. So these guys are typically the type of people that we want in the Lebanese government. If you get stability in Lebanon, then you have stability now on Israel's northern border. But again, all this is all in play at the same time as what we're doing in Ukraine. So there's a cause and effect when you have like big regional architects, regional players like Russia and Iran and China and the United States, there is these big bargaining chips that can happen on a geopolitical scale, essentially where you win some and lose some. But it's all based on national security interest. You know, oil and gas, you know, money flow, all that all that stuff kind of comes into play. So this is kind of the big picture and one everybody sees that this is, you know, we're kind of come into four years of somebody who's pro-business. He's pro making money. He's is anti, you know, all this these crazy woke establishments. He does not want any of this stuff. I mean, if you look at Trump's tweets, you can tell very clearly where his mind is. You know, if you are part of BRICs, you know, you guys know what BRICs is, right? The the currency that the Chinese and the Russians and we're trying to. You're part of BRICs. We're going to we're going to we're going to throw 100% tariffs on you all. All of a sudden, India is like, okay, we we will listen. Don't worry. We're going to we're going to step away. Other countries are starting to reconsider. You know, those are very big moves. You make one tweet like that and all of a sudden people take Trump very, very seriously. They just go, okay, we'll go back to the dollar. We'll play nice with you. You know, dollar's king. Okay. We'll keep it there. But then you have other actors like, you know, Putin who will say, ha ha, we're going to keep BRICs. You think we're going to bring 13 other countries on board? And Trump is going to say, Fine, you want to play that game? I can play that game with you, too. I'm going to collapse you economically now. I'm going to instead of you giving oil and gas to Europe, we're going to drill, baby, drill. And we're going to give your. What it needs. And by the way, we're going to get oil and gas out of Syria as well and other places. And we're going to plus up here Europe. And in the breadbasket or the the breadbasket used to be the breadbasket of Europe coming out of Ukraine. We're going to bring it back. We'll make it a member of NATO. We're going to change that dynamics. It's basically what we're looking at as a three dimensional chess with geopolitics. You know, you have to carry a it's a carrot and stick, essentially, in which you pressure from one side and then you then you kind of go, okay, you really want the carrot? I'll give you the carrot. You want to stick, which one do you prefer? And then you start bringing people on board. You get a coalition and then you start to win piece by piece. Everybody sees Trump as a leader. They also see somebody that is in some cases and I've heard this several times overseas, he's unpredictable. We don't know how he's going to come at us. So we don't want to take those chances. We will listen and we will cooperate. I got a call today from the Middle East. People are over-the-moon excited. For Trump to come in. I mean, I can't tell you how many Middle Easterners I've talked to. They're like, thank God Trump is coming in. We love Trump. I think, Are you kidding me? You know, whether it's a Syrian or it's a Lebanese or it's an Emirati or it's a Jordanian. We love Trump. We love Trump. Everybody has the same. I'm like, well, why do you love Trump? We've never seen the Assad regime collapse so quickly. I can't believe what Israel has done. This is really great. I said, Well, you guys need to write a note to Bibi and tell him thank you for taking. For taking it on the chin and really putting Israel through so much. Well, you know, but still, you know, it wasn't Trump coming in. Nothing would have happened. I'm like, well, Israel carry the weight all this way. So they have a lot to do with that. But the fact that Trump is in now means that Israel is going to get what it needs to to put things in place. Iran, the big nasty state actor who's been really bad for the entire Middle Eastern region now has been cut off. Hezbollah doesn't have any more arms coming through Syria any more to it. So now the mullahs are really going crazy. They're like, my God. And now Trump is going to shut off the oil spigot on them. So China's not going to get any more oil and gas out of Iran when Trump is done with them. And then Israel is really eyeing the nuclear program inside Iran. So what's happening now is you're going to collapse the economy of Iran. And at the same time, the people in Iran are going to rise up again and then we're going to help them win this war. We're going to help them win this fight. At the same time, we're going to remove that nuclear program out of the out of the way. This is where the calculus is going. This is where the thinking is going. And I can guarantee, if you look at the tweets, you can see that based on the tweets. And I'm not speaking again for anybody in the administration. I'm simply saying I'm looking at the tea leaves and this is the direction we're already going. And he hasn't taken office yet on January 20th. So we still have a few days to go. 

Tim Barton [00:15:56] I mean, I've got to jump in on that, because already you've got the leader of France coming to meet Trump. You've got the prime minister of Canada. You got the president of Mexico. You've got all these nations. They're not talking to Biden. They're talking to Trump. And they're already making deals with Trump on what they're going to do and and what they're going to do. Immigration, border. I'm just amazed at how many world leaders are flowing to his door right now. And he's not even the president yet. 

Rudy Atallah [00:16:20] Yeah. I mean, look at the, the fentanyl, the the shiny bomb. The current president of Mexico. I mean, she wasn't she was all about letting people come through the minute he, he threatened the 25% tariffs. They shut down the biggest fentanyl bust in human history. I mean that could kill everybody in North America for the amount of fentanyl that they found. She went out of her way to make sure shut it down just to show that she's a player. I mean, it's it's already he's having this this this major impact and it's all over the place. I mean, even African presidents are from Morocco. I get I got phone calls. We are so excited. Trump is coming back. Thank God the entire Sahel region in Africa is a mess. They've had eight coups, eight coups, eight countries had eight coups in Africa during the Biden administration four years. 

Rick Green [00:17:14] What a difference. 

Rudy Atallah [00:17:15] We lost our strongest military base in the in the in the country of Niger, in the Sahel. It was a drone base. We were chasing bad guys and everything. During the Biden administration, we lost that base and the Russians came over and took it over. They walked right in. It was the worst deal ever made by any administration. Biden administration handed it to them on the silver platter. 

Rick Green [00:17:38] It's almost like the adults are finally going to be back in the room 100%. And these people around the world know if America is strong and has good leadership, it's good for everybody in the country. Very quick break, guys. We'll be right back. Folks, stay with us. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:18:58] Welcome back to The Wall Show. Thanks for staying with us. Rudy Atallah, our special guest today. Rudy, we right before we go to the break, you're talking about the, you know, around the world. I guess it's it's just a sense that, you know, that there's actually an adult in the room. There's somebody that well, like you said earlier, they know that he'll do what he says he's going to do. Yeah. And there's almost you didn't say it this way, but I took it to mean there's just enough crazy there that they're not entirely sure. So at the same time, they're like, you know, okay, we got to we got to make sure we're on our toes. 

Rudy Atallah [00:19:28] They're going to make sure they're on their toes and, you know, talking. I called our ambassadors in in several countries. So that means Mali, Niger, Burkina. I was talking to a bunch of them, and many of them said, I mean, the Russians and the Chinese are all over that space. For example, the country of Mali produces 14% of the world's gold. That's a significant amount. But the country, you know, the country is is suffering right now from a lot of a lot of Russian influence. They have terrorists everywhere. The the country the country just below Mali, Burkina Faso. 40% of that country is is controlled by a group called Genocide, which is an al Qaeda offshoot in Icis on the other side of it. So imagine a 40% of the country is controlled by terrorists to terrorist groups. Right. And they're pushing into Mali and the terrorists are everywhere. And there are mass killings in some of the largest gold producers in the world, like Barrick Gold and Resolute and Allied gold. And all these companies are suffering there. They're getting called on the carpet by the junta regime, which is, you know, after the coup, military took over those countries. And they're there. They're basically putting these gold companies on notice saying if you don't pay up $500 million or $196 million, we're going to kick you out of the country and give it to the Russians. Well, these guys are panicking, but now I'm talking to the ambassador saying, you know what? Quietly, they would prefer if the Russians left and if the Americans came back. Is there anything we can do? I said, well, maybe maybe it's time to talk to the Trump team. Maybe there's something we can do. We can we can fix a wrong here. There's got to there's a lot of fixing that needs to be done. But yes, there's something that can be done. So. So when you have military coup leaders just going, my God, Trump is coming back, maybe we need to pay attention and maybe we need to jump into this ball game because these are the same coup leaders that kicked out the French. They kicked out the Brits. They kicked out everybody, including the United States. And now all of a sudden, they're having second thoughts. And maybe we need to call the United States that Trump is back and really have a conversation. So so, yes, everybody's paying attention. From Africa to the Middle East to Europe, to Asia, Latin America. I mean, Venezuela even said, hey, we'll take the trend the arugula our way. We'll put them back in prison, you know. But we really want to negotiate with the Trump team that was that came from Maduro. Imagine that. 

David Barton [00:22:02] So there's a lot of stuff that looks like it's going to get solved before before inauguration. What do you think are going to be the big things after Trump gets and what are going to be the things that we hear a lot about that we see a lot of focus on? Is it going to be stuff you're talking about now or Will is shoved over a new initiatives and and new new strategies and plans. 

Rudy Atallah [00:22:22] No, I mean, Trump Trump is very much against war. So I think he's going to want to solve or bring peace into the Middle East. In the Middle East. I think they're going to ramp up the Abraham Accords and start pushing for more deals with Israel, because that will create a Sunni Israeli front against a potential Iranian Shia, you know, backing. And so you're going to create that. The other thing is, of course, we talked about the Ukraine Russia war, but also the big the other big things is now economic prosperity is on the horizon, is how do we how do we fix that? So in order to do that, we also need to bring some kind of peace and some kind of stability inside the United States. We have so many unknowns in this country from the illegal immigration that's come in. We have Chinese actors, Iranian actors. We have trendy arugula. We have every group that this is going to be a priority. Number one is essentially how do we prevent another 911 from happening? Because this administers the Biden administration basically teed up a potential other 911 for us to happen here. We need to race under the Trump administration to make sure this doesn't happen. So we need to clean house. Tom Homan, you know, hopefully Kash Patel and the FBI, a lot of good people are going to come in and they're going to have a massive workload in front of them to essentially clean the what I like to call the the close one meter target, which is here, stabilize the United States, bring peace, bring oil and gas prices down, make business, you know, great again for everybody, and then focus internationally, increase stability in regions so American companies can produce American companies can be on top. So it's going to be a mixed bag of of different things that the Trump administration is going to kick off on day one. And you're going to see that in steer on steroids. Yeah. 

Rick Green [00:24:23] And really, we only have a couple of minutes left, but what would you say about how important it is to get these appointments, not only those big names like you just mentioned, but get the right team in? Yeah, you know, with the assistant secretaries and the, you know, and bringing in that whole army of, you know, we, you know, we used to say bureaucrats in a negative way but that that the all those people to go into government in this way very quickly with the Trump team does that question make any sense. 

Rudy Atallah [00:24:50] Yeah absolutely. I think I think that the team that Trump wants in office is going to come to be I mean, Hegseth may be a question mark. But I think he's going to make it. You know, if he doesn't, you've got you've got a backup like a Ron DeSantis or whatnot. Tulsi Gabbard, Kash Patel, you know, all these people, you know, people question whether they can make it. I think the Senate is geared to helping speed this process up. Once they all those guys are in their positions, in their offices, then they can appoint their deputies and all the other people that come in. So I think the Senate confirmations are going to start moving fairly quickly on day one, and I strongly believe that's going to happen. I think everybody is on board for that. Even the people that are naysayers on the left are going to have to play. There's going to be some give and take. And right now, they're not in a position to to to obstruct. They're they're going to have to play nice in the sand if they want a favor down the road. So I think there's going to be some some very positive things happen here soon. 

Rick Green [00:25:54] Man So encouraging. Rudy God bless you, man, and thank you for spending the Spin of the Day with us and getting getting us caught up. And yeah, of course, David said at the beginning, you're you're headed into the to the Trump administration yourself. So we wish you the best and will be praying for you. And thank you for being willing to continue to serve our country. 

Rudy Atallah [00:26:12] Yeah, thank you. It's an honor. 

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