Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome to intersection of faith and culture. This is the Wall Motor Show and we're taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution co-chair with David Barton. He's America's premiere historian and our founder, WallBuilders. And Tim Barton is with us, national speaker and pastor, and he's president of WallBuilders. All three of us you can learn more about wallbuilders.com that's wallbuilders.com. Of course - Rise and rebuild the walls that we may no longer be a reproach in. And guys one of those areas where we have definitely been a reproach and unfortunately been an exporter of this around the world is this crazy transgender ideology that has gone from a mental illness to actually a high percentage of kids being confused about this issue and then the medical community taking advantage of that and making tons of money destroying these children's bodies. And so there's now a pushback and there's some in the medical community that are getting on board with turning this thing around and and hopefully putting an end to this. 

David Barton [00:01:03] And by the way, just so people know, when Rick said is a mental illness, that's not just his opinion. That is the medical journals. What was that. 

Rick Green [00:01:10] Just a few years ago? Yeah. 

David Barton [00:01:12] Drop a diagnostic test as the CMS made Diagnostic and Statistical Manual mental disorders. 

Rick Green [00:01:17] Wow. Those were all but words bigger than I know how to say. But I know it was a few years ago. 

David Barton [00:01:21] Yeah. That's the official book. And up until just a few years ago, it was a, you know, gender dysphoria, but it was a mental disorder. And now it's mainstream. This is what you think about mainstream. 

Rick Green [00:01:33] So when you say hate speech to some people, it's hard for me to have even said that. They call it. 

David Barton [00:01:37] You know, you said something that a lot of people may react to, but you're literally repeating what was history just a few years ago. Not only history was what was active medicine just a few years ago. 

Tim Barton [00:01:47] Yeah. And it's worth asking the question, why? Why would the medical community change something that it's been so obvious, Right. I mean, we could we could talk about the laws of nature, the laws of nature's gods, of creation. That's pretty clear on this gender idea that the laws of nature's God, the Bible, pretty clear on this gender idea. So why would doctors all of a sudden say that we don't believe in chromosomes anymore? We we don't believe in the X and the Y? Those things mean nothing to us. Could it be something like what happened during Covid when all of these vaccines started coming out and like Pfizer is making tens of billions of dollars a year and now we're discovering, too, that doctors actually are benefiting financially from giving some of these different vaccines. And there's so much information that's coming out. The reason I bring this up is because it's worth asking the question now and a lot of what's happening medically. Could there be any kind of profit motive or profit incentive? Could it be that there are people that are really chasing the dollar? And I'm not suggesting necessarily that all these doctors are doing that, but it's very telling that right now, similar to what happens in medical school, they are being taught what medicine to give for what issue. And now medicine is the solution for everything. So there's a problem. Just give it some medicine. And what we are very excited to see what happens with some of this RFK appointment, Big Pharma maybe being exposed. There's been a lot of conversations people have had Joe Rogan, other podcasts as well, outing some of this. There is a lot of bad information being given to doctors at times. So sometimes there's good doctors, but sometimes their doctors go in the wrong direction. And the old adage for the medical community used to be to do no harm. Your job is there to help people. And when you are going and you are cutting off healthy parts of an individual, clearly you're doing harm to an individual for nothing other than a psychological reason for that individual. And this is why used to be thought of a mental disorder. If you think you're something you are not, then you're not in your correct state of mind. And yet there are doctors profiting significantly. Pharma, The pharmaceutical companies are profiting significantly off these things. And we have invited someone on. So you don't take our word for this. Dr. Jared Ross, one of the leaders in the movement for doctors helping Americans and even legislators understand the reality of what's happening and why we should be opposing this new trend in medicine. 

Rick Green [00:04:25] Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

Rick Green [00:05:34] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Dr. Jared Ross with us. We're talking about donoharm medicine.org. Check that out today do no harm medicine.org. Dr. Ross thanks for coming on man. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:05:45] Rick Thanks so much for having me. Really an honor. 

Rick Green [00:05:48] Thanks for being bold enough to expose the evil that's out there. I know you put a target on your back when you stand up and do stuff like this. And especially with so much of the medical industry embracing these transition surgeries and the push to do this, yeah, it's a lot of money. And so a lot of people are pushing it and a lot of harm is being done and you guys are trying to try to put a stop to that. So thank you. First of all, back up and tell us, how did you get on this journey? Like what what caused you to step into this cultural fight? 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:06:19] Yeah, I you know, thanks again and I think you're so right saying industry here that this is a multimillion dollar industry here creating lifelong patients out of innocent children and it's it's an absolute shame and really needs to to be uncovered. And you know, sunlight is a great disinfectant. 

Rick Green [00:06:41] That's right. And like you said, it's a lifelong right. Like this is not people people don't realize what they're really doing when they when they convince a kid to do this, they're creating a customer for life. That's essentially what ends up happening. And hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:06:56] When you cut off your sex hormone organs, you now need the lifelong sex hormone replacement. And just from the medical side, and then on the surgical side, we see these surgeries that just have terrible complication. Rates require repeat surgeries and all kinds of lifelong care, and that we just wouldn't wouldn't accept from any surgery. This would all be considered experimental. 

Rick Green [00:07:25] And we're doing it to kids. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:07:26] It's awful. Yeah, it's absolutely awful. 

Rick Green [00:07:29] Yeah. You know, just backing up a little bit timeline wise, this seems like it came on almost overnight. This would have been unheard of, at least in my world, 20 years ago, ten years ago even, and feels like within just a short period of time, literally just a few years, they act like this is the norm. This is perfectly fine. This is not experimental at all. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:07:51] Yeah, no, I. I think this has been going on for a long time, but it was really with adults and then they slowly started ramping up to children. We know based on the, the Dutch protocol, which was the initial kind of experimentation on children with these procedures and these surgeries. And then the U.S.. Jumped on the bandwagon with and at first it was very quiet and kind of underground. And and in the last few years, it's it's just been, you know, shameless. They're willing to to to speak about this very publicly and have no shame about mutilating these these poor children and their desperate parents who are really searching for answers. These children are really struggling. I don't want to minimize the suffering that these kids are going through. And but this is not the answer. And we know from all the European research that allowing these children to go through a normal puberty and providing supportive talk therapy is is the answer to this. It's not mutilating their body to match this phase that they're going through and that, in all honesty, we all go through. I mean, puberty is a time of angst for everyone. It's it's a challenging time, both socially, physically, emotionally and and so people need needs support during that time, not not aggressive, irreversible medical and surgical care. 

Rick Green [00:09:24] Yeah, it's a crazy time. I don't want to go back. And when you go this route, you essentially put yourself in a position of going through puberty for your whole life. It's insane. Absolutely insane. But you know, George, you said something there. I've been guilty of just just lambasting parents and, you know, writing them off as fools for for allowing this to happen. And that's wrong. They are faced with a false choice. They're lied to and told, you know, it's either this or your are you know, the whole thing about you know you either get a live daughter or a dead son and just this this lie that that it's virtually guaranteed their kid's going to commit suicide if they don't do all of this, all this stuff, it's what honestly is what is what red pilled Elon Musk. I mean they did that to him and lied to him about these things and for his kid and you know, so, so so I'm so glad you said what you said because, you know, we need to recognize that that people have put their faith in the in in the medical industry, the establishment. And you even say on your website, do no harm protecting health care from the disastrous consequences of identity politics. The industry itself has been poisoned with this, and now it's you. Now it's impacting the culture and the people and the parents and the kids and all that. But I think the approach you guys are taking to say, hey, we've got to have restore faith in the institution by bringing truth to the forefront. At least that's what it sounds like to me. Is that is that an accurate way of describing it? 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:10:49] Absolutely. No. Our organizational name is it is no coincidence that the Hippocratic Oath in Latin is premium non-U. Serum, which translates to first do no harm. And we've seen the harm and division that pseudoscience and this radical ideology has has caused in medicine, you know, undermining real medicine and instead pushing this extremist ideology on on our most vulnerable, those those children and then their parents who are really looking for answers and and a solution to their problems. And Rick, you talked about, you know what what brought this on? What caused this to blow up? I think as we look at our database, you see this huge peak in 2022 as we come out of the pandemic. And I think we made a lot of mistakes. We had a lot of children at home removed from their social interaction and normal childhood normal growing up. And because of that, there was a huge decrease in mental health And because of this ideology, the answer to all of these mental health challenges is to, you know, start hormones and mutilate genitalia and not dive into these issues and and really provide answers and help. 

Rick Green [00:12:16] Let journalists talk to parents that may be going through this right now. Where do you where do you go? Like what? What's a good source for truth and and sound advice that is not tainted by the dollar and by the self-interest of these incredibly expensive surgeries and everything else that flows from that? 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:12:34] Yeah, it's it's actually a real challenge because we've got a number of states that have legislation that restricts what physicians and especially mental health providers can say. So we have many states that have these affirming laws in place that you as a medical provider risk your licensing your livelihood if you don't affirm these children's delusions. And and that's what they are there. I don't want to belittle them, but these are these are fixed illusions. And we don't we don't affirm anyone else's delusions. If I'm working in the emergency department and I have someone coming in that thinks that, you know, the devil is trying to kill them. I don't I don't play into that. And I don't sit there and argue with them. 

Rick Green [00:13:20] Yeah. If I come in and say, I'm a pirate, would you please chop off my leg and take an eye? You're not going to affirm that and do that. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:13:26] And nowhere in health care or mental health do we allow patients, especially children, to. Yeah. To to lead their care. I mean, these these ideologues have said that all that anything we do to impede this care is gatekeeping. And so instead, there's no professional judgment, there's no objective analysis yet simply fast track, affirm, you know, and start down this path. And we know that once these children start on these, you know, seemingly harmless social transitions where we change names and pronouns and wardrobe, that that they get this positive affirmation in school because our our schools have bought into this ideology. Our teachers have. And from there, it starts with the hormone blockers and then the cross-sex hormones and then these surgeries. And and it's it's a very hard path for these children to to walk back. And there are, you know, some really brave children. Chloe Cole is one we work with very closely. And Chloe's amazing and and such a brave girl. And to to to say this was not what what I was looking for. I was sold a false bill of goods here. Yeah. 

Rick Green [00:14:52] Yeah. And you mentioned even the you can use this term, but the social proof part of this, which is why it's gone from, you know, this this very small number of, you know, actual mental illness to now almost a fad. And now you've got these increased I don't know, I've heard crazy numbers, ten, 15, 20% that now see themselves as in as one of these categories. And and it's a social thing. It's it's literally be it'll make you popular at school. It'll make you you know it it's at that time when you're you're when you're struggling with identity and you're struggling with life and all of those things. So man, it's just so poisonous. What what about the other side? You said there's legislation that is really restricting you guys as as medical officials from being able to speak truth to your patients. Is there legislation? Are do you see any states that are doing it right that are actually saying, hey, we're not going to allow this to happen to kids and maybe even dialing back? I don't know if there is a legislative answer even for adults to to I don't know. I mean, that's that's where, you know, my libertarian side says, hey, let people do whatever they want. But then, like, you know, my my rational side says, yeah, but that poison is still allowed into the culture and the normalization of it then seeps down to the kids. So anyway, is there a state that you would look to and say, Hey, they've done a pretty good job on legislation? This should be the model that we should be asking other states to do. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:16:14] I think we've got a number of states we've got have lost count now, but over 20 that have put into place these minor bans banning or severely limiting these these, you know, so-called treatments for minors. And, you know, they they've not been met without their challenges. Your art. Yeah. Tennessee legislation is going to the Supreme Court and there's active fights over the Alabama legislation. You know. 

Rick Green [00:16:49] That seems like the low hanging fruit, though, right, to to start with the legislation for the kids, to protect the kids. You know, in a sane world, we would not allow this to happen. And so, you know, legislators do your job. This is what you're supposed to say in a society. Some things are legal, some things aren't. And there's certain things we are not going to allow. We don't do child marriage in America and we don't do child mutilation. I mean, that ought to be an easy line in the sand toe states. That means we got 30 to go. That means we got states that are not so far being willing to do that. And we've even seen. California and other states basically invite kids to to run away from their parents and come to their state and be, quote unquote, protected when in fact, it's, quote unquote, you know, mutilated. So we definitely have some hard work to do in some of these other states as well, right? 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:17:31] Yeah, we have these things. So we've got over 20 states with minors bans, but we've got many states that are these so-called sanctuary states encouraging, as you said, encouraging these troubled kids to run away there, that the state will take care of them and house them and provide these surgeries to them, protect them from their parents. I mean, just absolutely, absolutely atrocious. 

Rick Green [00:18:03] And I forgot that that's actually you know, we start talking about I started with the parents and wonder where do we send them? The real I guess the main effort for do no harm is the legislative side of it is actually getting basically getting the ship righted. Right. They get it getting getting at least the the structure of society to support, you know, the right, you know, approach on on these things. And you guys have done that in multiple states. You also have a tip line so that if states are if hospitals and doctors are violating the law and doing that when they're not supposed to, that that people can can you know, let let their officials know by. We've got a couple of big cases coming out of Texas right now where where that has happened. So, man, the fight is real. And and it was shocking to me when I pulled up your website. The numbers of of tip line submissions over a thousand for your request over 500. I mean, you guys are having a big impact. This is I apologize. I didn't realize how far y'all had been able to claw back territory, if you will, in in this way. So God bless you, man. What an impact in a short period of time. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:19:12] Thanks so much. Yeah. Dr. Stanley Goldfarb founded the organization two years ago. And I mean, we've had members from Madison and from nursing. We've had a huge support from from nurses, concerned parents, members of the general public and policymakers as well. And we had 10,000 members. We were trying to get press releases together and say, look at this accomplishment of 10,000 members. And before we could turn around and release that, we were up at 12,000. So it's it's just there is a lot of interest here. And I think we really see the tide turning here. 

Rick Green [00:19:54] I just to Dr. Ross, I just found your you've got a map on the website where folks, if you go to if you go to the website, you can actually click on your state and get informed with just a couple of clicks of the button to find out what's going on in your particular state on this issue. Really well done. This is this is a great tool. So if you go to do no harm medicine.org and and then you click on that, just scroll down towards the bottom. You'll see the map of the United States and you can click on your particular state and, and see what's happening there. Because Dr. Ross said, you know, that's the best we can do is, you know, and like in the book of Nehemiah, Rebuild the Wall where we live, right there where we've been planted, take care of the garden, right in the garden. And this one is a national fight. I think maybe another thing, you know, to tell people, as you may think, this isn't happening in your community. I don't know of a community in America where this isn't happening now. It's seeped into all the schools, all the medical establishment. I mean, there's no one listening right now that can say, I don't have to worry about that issue. This one has come home and this one's everywhere. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:20:53] It really is. It really is. And that's that's what's such a shame. And what's so frightening here is that we're really seeing this across all 50 states. 

Rick Green [00:21:02] Yeah. Before I let you go, man, any any any advice to our listeners on what to, you know, how they can plug in or actually, let me ask this, too, Just as you've watched this over the last few years, has the awareness increased enough to where you sense any turning of the tide yet? Not even necessarily in the medical industry as much as in the general public? 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:21:25] Yeah, I think we're starting to see a turn of tides in inside medicine from policy makers in the political sphere. And then I think concerned members of the public, parents are are waking up to this. And, you know, I encourage people to visit our website. Do you know harm medicine.org. Do you know our medicine dawg? And right at the top there is a link to our our hospital database. The start the home database. You can click on that and browse by state as well. Looking at the hospitals in your state and looking at the children's hospital. You know who's on the board of these hospitals that's that's supporting these mutilations on on children and really starting to to claw back at this this egregious medicine are off the rails here. Yes. Evil for. 

Rick Green [00:22:19] Sure. Egregious evil man. It's like and what you just described is that's how that's how this got to this point was other people pushing this agenda did exactly what you're talking about. They looked at the boards. They went in influence the board members. They went and influence. I mean, they scratched and clawed in the trenches for decades and decades. And we've been sitting on the sidelines. Let it happen. No more, no more. We're getting involved. And it's organizations like yours that helps us to do this. Do no harm. Medicine.org do no harm medicine.org. Dr. Jared Ross. God bless you man. Thanks for coming on today. 

Dr. Jared Ross [00:22:50] Rick again thanks so much for having me. Appreciate it. 

Rick Green [00:22:53] Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton. 

Tim Barton [00:23:55]  

Rick Green [00:24:03] Welcome back to the popular show. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Dr. Gerard Ross for joining us as well. And, guys, sometimes it's got to come from within, right? And so here you have some from the medical industry. Alcohol in the medical industrial complex. But, you know, some of those like Dr. Ross that are pushing back and I love seeing how organized there are their websites. Very impressive. 

David Barton [00:24:21] Hang on, Rick. Use the term medical industrial complex. What are you referring to? Because that is rht. Historical, your historical pick up there. Now for. 

Rick Green [00:24:28] Borrowing. I'm borrowing from Eisenhower that's warning us about the military industrial complex, which is still a problem, by the way. But yeah. 

Tim Barton [00:24:39] Eisenhower also warned about the scientific industrial complex. 

Rick Green [00:24:42] Where which is really what drives this whole. Yep. 

Tim Barton [00:24:46] You had people getting money to being paid to go find things and they would take the money and go find what people were paying them to find instead of doing actual research and actual science, which now is a lot of what's happening in this medical community, as he pointed out. When you cut off a sex hormone, an organ that individuals to need lifelong or hormone replacement and so they're creating a market and a need for what they're doing. As he pointed out, there's terrible complication rates. They require repeated surgeries. They need lifelong care. And this would be and other wise considered experimental surgeries. And yet this is being normalized in so many situations. Dad, you were pointing out that this is not the direction most of the American people are going. 

David Barton [00:25:30] Yeah, it is not. And one of the things that came out in the recent election was Kamala lost with a margin that nobody saw, the popular vote, the electoral vote, etc., and the exit polling. When asked why did you not vote for Kamala, one of the top three reasons given by the nation, the entire nation, huge number of people was her position on trans. She was way too far on trans issues and that was one of the top three reasons she was rejected. I see that as really good news for the country that people not just religious and conservative, but just the nation itself, even Democrats, think that has gone way too far on trans stuff. And hopefully that's a piece of good news that we can deal with later. 

Rick Green [00:26:11] Well, folks, we're we're probably going to have just good news warblers from now on. I mean, that's good news. Not just good news Friday, but like good news every day for at least some time going forward. So thanks for listening. Make sure you don't miss good news for any programs where you get even more of that. But every day bringing us some good news. And thank you to Dr. Jared Ross, because these guys get canceled big time when they step forward like this. So we appreciate guys like him being willing to bring that to you through our radio program. Find out more today at our WallBuilders Show radio site or at our main website, wallbuilders.com. You've been listening to The WallBuilders Show.