Rick Green [00:00:07] This is the intersection of faith and culture. It's The WallBuilders Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. Thank you for joining us to also visit our websites. Wallbuilders.com and WallBuilders.show If you go to wallbuilders.com today there's a lot of great information there for you and a lot of great tools you can use for your family. You can also jump right over to WallBuilders.show. If you missed some of the recent radio programs, then you can catch the archives right there on the website and also want to encourage you Lives, Fortunes and Sacred Honor. So give some of your time by sharing the programs with your friends and family, some of your fortune. Yes, those donations to wallbuilders@wallbuilders.com helps us to reach more people. And then of course, Sacred Honor. All of us being willing to stand up and speak truth, put the reputation on the line to save our country. I'm Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton. In a little while, we got Pat Boone with us. This is a treat, guys. Pat Boone, first time on the WallBuilders program. But he's known you guys for for a long time. You I've known him for years. 

David Barton [00:01:03] Yeah. Pat is just a terrific guy. You know, he's a Hollywood guy. And we were talking, I guess what's a about a couple months ago when we played that that song he had just written about America coming back. But at that point time, we mentioned the fact that he was more popular than Elvis. For 20 years, he had more number one songs on the chart than anybody else, and he just dominated that period in the 40s and 50s and 60s and Hollywood. You know, they made a remake of the movie Journey to the Center of the Earth. But Pat Boone was in the original one back in 1959, and one of the actors there, and he acted in other movies as well. So he's just a terrific, terrific, terrific guy, just a flat out nice guy, but just a solid man of faith, Just a solid Christian guy. And it's just always been fun to do things with him in his eyes. You know, like a lot of guys in Hollywood is is always thinking creative. And some years back, we worked together on a project he wanted to have Larry King, who is super famous at the time, as you know, probably the great interviewer of all people. You know, he had program every night interview on Fox and he wanted to just set it up were that that Larry King could interview the founding Fathers. And so we just wrote a script out on what would the founders say if they were back today? What would they say about different topics? So there's just been a lot of fun stuff with that all along the way. 

Tim Barton [00:02:25] And the I think specifically it was what did they say on those topics? Because you were never Larry asked them questions, their thoughts on the Second Amendment. And there's going to be actors, but they were going to be quoting the lines from the founding fathers where they had written in letters what they had written in documents, what they had said in recorded speeches. And so it literally was going to be the founding fathers in their own words, but things that were very culturally relevant, things dealing with how do we handle other nations well, What is our view on defending America? Are borders or war or whatever it was, he would ask the questions and then the founding fathers were going to answer in their own words. And you helped do the research to track down all of those original writings and those documents where they laid out their position. And it really it really would be fascinating. You know, we've tried to do that in a lot of regards in other areas and topics and even helping with legislators, get them quote from the founding fathers on things they're dealing with. But it really would be interesting to bring that back with, you know, finding actors that could play that out, finding things that are relevant in culture and getting the founding Fathers quotes and sayings on that to give some context and guidance of what what do they think America was supposed to do in these moments? It's certainly different than a lot of what we've done. But he also was in in that the Reagan movie, which I totally forgot his his cameo and some of the background of what he had done there. And that, as you mentioned, he's he's acted in a lot of movies. That Reagan movie we talked about just a couple of weeks ago, you know, even referencing, Rick, that you had done a little documentary on Reagan at this point a few years ago or earlier in your career. 

Rick Green [00:04:09] A few 

Tim Barton [00:04:12] Just a few. But dad, as you mentioned, Pat Boone is just such an incredible man who loves God, loves people. It's so obvious anytime you're around him, any time you talk to him. And we are honored to have him on the program today. 

Rick Green [00:04:24] You know, he said off air, he was telling me he he had already had Charlton Heston lined up for your project, David, and and all these cool people. So I thought that was pretty neat. So now if we do it today, we'll had it. Actually, it would have been great to do it like 50 years ago and John Wayne be Thomas Jefferson and be like, Well, well, pilgrim, you know, answering questions that that would have been a wonderful, wonderful Thomas Jefferson. Anyway. All right. Well, let's let's get to Pat's interview and we'll be right back. Folks. By the way. Yeah, go see the Reagan movie, Really cool cameo. And he's going to explain that for us. But I just think it's cool, David, that that somebody like that that you just described has this kind of humility, just a really cool testament to the work of Christ in somebody's life that. The top of the top of the top for decades and decades and decades and still humble. Stay with us. Folks will be right back. You're listening to The WallBuilders Show. 

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Rick Green [00:06:21] Welcome back to The WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Pat Boone is with us. What an honor. What a privilege for us to have you on, Pat. You know, David loves you, man. The Barton family loves you. And we so appreciate your support of WallBuilders over the years. And and just thrilled to have you on. Thanks for your time today. 

Pat Boone [00:06:37] I'll tell you, this is my first time to be on this program, though, in my relationship with David Barton. And his wisdom goes back a long way. And I think I told you I once wrote I actually produced but was ready to produce a script that David Barton wrote on Larry King interviewing the framers of the Constitution and having all the framers say what? They physically and verbally spoke and said and was recorded by David. Of of their positions on the right to bear arms on getting involved in other nations business of of liberties and equalities and even Jefferson who owned slaves, is the one who wrote the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, even though they have been born into a nation and the world that that that accepted slavery. They knew it was wrong. And eventually and they spoke out about it and Barton records there their very words separation of church and state Bosh Yeah. What part of no what part of no don't you understand Congress shall make no law or or negative. No law concerning religion. Religion is on its own hands off government. But yeah, faith can certainly influence the government, as our founders knew and as they did. Anyway, I didn't. Yeah. You don't want me to be jabbering my head off. 

Rick Green [00:08:12] Well, I love it. I love it. And I love the concept. Even just it's like getting in a time machine and going back and interviewing the founders and you are actually sent to the time machine to them and getting them to come this way and answer those questions for us. 

Pat Boone [00:08:25] Right exactly. Larry King We had great actors ready to do like Charlton Heston was going to be. Washington and other great actors play Adams and Monroe and and and the other folks that wrote the Constitution and sitting around the table, Larry King interviewing. And he was going to do it. He said in a New York minute, I'll do it. But no, CBN said, No, you won't. He was working on CBN and that you won't do it. We've had already had ideas about Larry King interviewing people who are dead and gone, but that never happened. They just prevented him from doing that show, which we wanted to put in schools all over America. And by the way, remind David. Yeah. That we still have his script that he wrote and we can still do this show with all the. We'll have to get different actors now. 

Rick Green [00:09:14] Yeah, let's dust that off and and get that done. Well you, you just did a movie about Ronald Reagan reliving the moment that actually happened. But you play the pastor I guess that that you were there with I didn't realize this is I'm watching the movie the movie that had to be incredible for you to relive that moment. 

Pat Boone [00:09:35] Can I tell you about that? 

Rick Green [00:09:37] Yeah, please. 

Pat Boone [00:09:38] Who George Otis was. It was not a minister. He in effect, he was, but he was really known as a very experienced businessman, a business doctor. He was the guy. If a business was in danger and maybe about to go bankrupt, they would call in George Otis to try to set the boat aright and correct all the things they were doing wrong, like Lear Industries, Magnavox, other companies like that that he saved. But he was also a deeply spiritual man. So he and my wife Shirley and I and a couple of others went to Sacramento while Reagan was governor. We were close friends with with Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Our kids went to school together because they had their kids at the end of their childbearing capability in their early 40s. And Shirley and I were in a big hurry at all four of our daughters. What, by the time we were 23. So so our kids went to school together. We knew Ron and Nancy, and we went to a Katherine Kuhlman meeting, Worship and Healing in the Sacramento Auditorium. And Reagan, knowing we were going to be there, invited us to come over to the governor's mansion and we did in the afternoon before we returned to to Los Angeles. And as we spoke and had some tea and conversation and fun with him as we were about to leave, George Otis said, Governor, can we have a word of prayer with you before we leave? And Reagan said, Well, sure. And so we took his hands and in a circle, and Shirley and I and a couple of others voiced part of a prayer. Then he got to George Otis, whose right hand, and I called him The Electric Man, because whenever he was in his spirit, his his, his hands just quivered like, this is like there was a current flowing through him. 

Rick Green [00:11:20] Wow. 

Pat Boone [00:11:21] And he was holding Reagan's right hand, and he started the last part of the prayer. Lord, we thank you so much for this country, for our freedoms, for our liberties, for this beautiful state and for this man, Lord. And he stopped and there was he was silent and we were waiting for him to finish. And then in a different voice, it was George's voice, but differently. My son. I'm well pleased with you. If you continue to walk upright before me, you will dwell at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And another pause. And then he finished the prayer. In Jesus name. Amen. We looked at Reagan. He was glassy eyed. I mean, he'd been holding George's hand. And he also that current was running through him. And he said, well, that that was something. That's all we could say. Got him something. And that's in the film. And so in this in this scene, in the film, I couldn't play Pat Boone. I'm too old to play Pat Boone in that scene. So I played George Otis, and that young kid was playing me at a young girl played Shirley in that scene. It was actual it was a word of prophecy. And it was true. A prophecy came from God himself, through George Otis and to Reagan. And when Reagan was he didn't get the nomination. That in 76 was it. But but the next time around, he had to be talked into running again. This time he was elected. And the night of his election, I was in Washington for some reason, and watching the news coming in and saw that it was very favorable. And so I just on a hunch, I picked up the phone and called Ronald Reagan at his home in Pacific Palisades, where he was still waiting for the verdict before he went to the hotel. I had heard him say hello. And I said, yeah, I'd be the first to call you, Mr. President. Wow. He says, no, it's a little premature. They're still counting the votes. I said no. Tom Brokaw and Peter Peter Jennings and and the other main ones are forgotten. The other main the CBS guy. Anyway, they were all pronouncing that it looks like the governor of California is going to be our next president. I said I said, Mr. President, was that like they're too pleased with it. But you are not president. Wait a minute. Duke can do you remember that time in Sacramento when that man, George Otis, spoke those words at holding your hand? He said, I've thought of it many times in the last few hours. And so that was true or it really happened and we film it. And that movie, if you've seen the movie, it's a. 

Rick Green [00:14:04] Great it's incredible. It's fantastic. It's fantastic. I've been I've been waiting for something like that for four years. I did a documentary about Reagan 30 years ago about his economic policies, and I've been wanting somebody to make that kind of a movie about I thought they did a fantastic job. But that scene, I did not know that story until I saw the movie as much as I'd studied Reagan. It was incredible. 

Pat Boone [00:14:26] I tried. I did record something which they didn't use. I mean, they filmed it at my request as George Otis. I did say, Governor, those were not my words. I only spoke what God told me to say. We call it we call it a word of prophecy. That way the audience would have known what that was. Reagan Yeah. So I didn't know what it was. All he knew was that he felt this, that this current flowing through. 

Rick Green [00:14:52] Yeah, yeah. 

Pat Boone [00:14:53] And he would the words spoken in a voice that didn't sound like George Otis. And and it was not just George Otis. It was the Lord speaking through him. A true word of prophecy, which is now immortalized in this movie. And so I was absolutely thrilled. I got to play George Otis and reenact that seat. 

Rick Green [00:15:14] That's incredible. Absolutely incredible. Well, I loved the movie. I thought it was fantastic. I thought that scene was incredibly powerful. I loved the fact that, you know, of course, I think you've talked about this, too, that that Nancy was initially skeptical, but then she brought it up to to to President Reagan later. She's the one that was telling you, don't forget what George Otis said. 

Pat Boone [00:15:37] The exact words, I was there. But way. No, I wasn't there. But but they told me the exact words that when the his friends and she were saying, remember what that man said? And Reagan said, well, you thought he was a crackpot. He said, well, maybe so, but maybe he was right. 

Rick Green [00:15:54] I love it. 

Pat Boone [00:15:55] So they talked him into it. Even she helped talk him into writing again. 

Rick Green [00:15:59] Wow. Wow. Well, thank the good Lord that he did, right? What a what a renaissance for our country and a renewal of the values that made our country great and Lord willing, and we we get back there. Pat, what do you what do you what do you say to the American people right now about bringing back I mean, just as you say in your song, you know, the Bible and the Constitution, we're so blessed in this country and we have the foundation, but we've ignored it for so long. What would you say to American citizens about their responsibility to start studying the Bible, studying the Constitution and just becoming good citizens that know what creates a free society? 

Pat Boone [00:16:37] We as a people have to wake up. Not woke. No, that. Not that that pernicious stuff they call Wokeness. No. Wake up and plug in again to the power, to the absolute creative power that gave us America to begin with. Like you push a a an instrument into the house current and it and it works. We've got to push our government instrument back into the creative power that made us who we are. He's the one who gave us our equality, our rights, our freedoms. And he and he gave us the platform and the principles on which this country was was based. And America, as the Tocqueville, a historian said, America is great because America is good. If America ceases to be good or righteous, she will cease to be good. And we're headed in that direction now. The more we more we vote for things that we want, not instead of things that we need. And God lets us make our choices. He lets us. My book. My last book. I think all that. The copy of it is still on Amazon. And Patboone.com is simply called 'If'. And this the most important word in the Bible. Every promise of God I found comes with an if the warm lets us make our choices down here, it says the eternal choice we all must make. And we choose our government. We choose our lives, our our way. We live. We choose what we live by. And if we don't choose the principles and the basics of of this incredible invention called America, we will lose it. It will cease. It will not continue to function as the country that we grew up in and want to leave to our kids. If we don't get back to the bedrock principles, you can't. If you take the foundations out of your house, it's going to crumble. There's just no two ways about it. And we're pulling out. We're pulling out the timbers from under our foundations and and, well, Jefferson said, How do we expect how do we expect to survive if we deny the one who gave us these blessings? Jefferson was to separation of church and state, who also created the chaplaincy and the military people don't remember or don't know these things, but. Dave Barton thank God. 

Rick Green [00:19:07] That's right. 

Pat Boone [00:19:07] Barton and WallBuilders, you remind us of what these founders who gave us this country with God's help and seeking God's help, that we still have. What they said thanks to all, was. 

Rick Green [00:19:23] Well, Amen. And your book, I mean, what a great reminder it's if then. Right. So if we do these things, then we get certain consequences. And the consequences can be tyranny or it can be freedom depending on what we do on the other side of things. And that's our responsibility. And in the end, God was that responsibility. 

Pat Boone [00:19:40] One sobering reminder. God, the Bible tells us, created man and woman and gave him a perfect environment and said, This is all yours. If one is if you don't eat, or that fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, you don't need to know about evil. Yet there is no evil yet, so don't eat that fruit. Well, they did it and they died. Took almost a thousand years, but. And they created a lot more people from whom came the God's first experiment with the human race. But in the book of Genesis, it says after a while it God repented of having made these people because every thought in man's heart was evil. Continually, as they continue to make their own choices, they were choosing the evil side of things continuously. And so he wiped out that first experiment with a flood. Only one man survived his wife and three boys and their wives in the flood. And for a year they floated above the drowning first generation of human beings that God had created. God is God. He will only put up with our disobedience and our rebellion so long. And then he lets us make our own choices and we reap our own consequences. He doesn't do it to us. We wind up doing it to ourselves because we reject the principles on which we were founded. So thank God again for you and for WallBuilders. And I'm just so grateful to have just the opportunity to speak out, because for me in this industry, this business, though, people know I'm a Christian and they know I go to church and they know I try to live by the principles that I believe it. I've been a joke to a lot of people in my business, in the entertainment business for a long time. But to their amazement and mine, I have survived. Im 900 now, and I've still got three records on the charts. I've been involved in five movies. I played Thomas Jefferson in one film that's about to be released called American Miracle. Is that the name? Yeah. About the Louisiana Purchase. And I played Tom Jefferson in a dying scene. His last moments while Kevin Sorbo plays him. It is midlife. 

Rick Green [00:22:02] Wow. 

Pat Boone [00:22:02] So I've been a part of five movies in the last year and a half here at 90. And I think the casting directors of the word is out. If you have to play it, you have to find somebody to play. The 80 or 90 year old will remember his lines, get Pat Boone loved it. 

Rick Green [00:22:19] Well well, what they what they call the foolishness of Christ, we know to be truth and in power. So God bless you, Mr. Brown. We're so honored to have you on today and just appreciate all that you're doing. Keep up the great work. Keep fighting for truth. And we look forward to getting you back soon. 

Pat Boone [00:22:36] I'm still in the fight. Thank you. 

Rick Green [00:22:39] Amen stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton. 

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Rick Green [00:23:49] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show that was Pat Boone. And still I'm still pinching myself, guys. Pat Boone. I just interviewed Pat Boone. I mean, that's just amazing. My goodness. That he is he's humble and he. Wow. What patriotism as you as he's just as he say in those words. You know, I know we talked about song, David, like you said, two weeks ago. But man, you could just you could feel how much it meant to him even to write. 

David Barton [00:24:13] I got a question. Yeah. At what age do you think people today do not know who Pat Boone is? 

Rick Green [00:24:21] That's a good question, man, because, yeah. 

Tim Barton [00:24:24] Somewhere between me and Rick. 

Rick Green [00:24:28] That's funny. Yeah, I was going to say about 40, 45. I don't know. I don't know because he was really for my generation even, you know, it was definitely a different era. Like, I knew of him and knew, you know, of course, I was, you know, like Southern gospel and country and all the older stuff too. But yeah, I bet there's a lot of our listeners that probably may not know Pat Boone. 

Tim Barton [00:24:50] No, I know his name growing up, but it was like Pat Boone was like in the same lane as like the Gaithers, right? Like Bill Gaither. Yeah. You knew the voice and maybe your grandparents watched some of the shows or specials, but it definitely was a different generation. But so fun hearing him even pointing out when people are making movies, they need an old person who can remember their lines, right? 

Rick Green [00:25:12] That that's still produce it's still put you still putting out good creativity and good. Yeah 90 years old and he's like, I'm not done. And you could just hear it in his voice. He's not even close to be a done. 

Tim Barton [00:25:21] No, but also even to recognize, as you point out, the humility you can hear in the interview as he's being so gracious and so kind and reminiscent, but also even the humility like to know your role, to know your lane, like, hey, I'm an old dude now, so I'm going to play old people in movie and just give me some lines. And I can remember those such sincerity. And he really is such a genuine guy. We're we're so, so pleased and honored to know him. I've been blessed to have known him over many decades now and certainly grateful for what he's done. And I am totally in favor of saying let's bring that that founding father interview back. At this point, I don't know who would be the one who may be the most appropriate to do the interview. It might be a little weird if it was Joe Rogan, but I'm just saying. Right. We can find somebody to do the interview, find the right actors. It really could be a great teaching tool to help people once again relearned that history be Rangers, the Founding Fathers in their own words. I support bringing it back. 

Rick Green [00:26:18] Well, since we talked about the Reagan movie today, it'll just, you know, Dennis Quaid has to play one of them, right? Like he could be Jefferson or Adams or whoever. And I'm though Tucker Carlson. Maybe Tucker's the one to interview them. Now we get out some fun with this, guys. Art, David, go find it wherever it is in your office. Go dusted off and and let's let's start working on that project. What a fun day. Thanks to Pat Boone for joining us today. Thank you for listening. You've been listening to the WallBuilders Show,