Rick Green [00:00:07] Welcome the intersection of faith and culture. It's The WallBuilders Show, taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. Very hot topic today has to do with January 6th, the January 6th committee or show trial, as I like to call them, from when the Democrats were in charge. And then the actual January 6th committee that's doing actual investigation and bringing out the truth. So no matter which side it benefits, we'll be talking about all that today with Congressman Barry Loudermilk. I'm Rick Green here with David and Tim Barton. Guys, course, you know, open disclosure to all of our listeners. We're all good friends with with Congressman Loudermilk and respect him greatly and what he's been doing with this committee. What a tough assignment. But he has, as we all should do, done the best that he can as an a God, not a two man. Colossians 3:23 applied even to Congress. This is going to be interesting to hear what he has to say today. Guys. 

David Barton [00:00:58] It's interesting that this is covering a subject that's almost four years old now. So we're coming up on four year anniversary pretty quick on this thing. And we're just now starting to see what some of the truth is. And I love what has happened here because the scripture says the first one to tell a story always sounds right. And that's why our founding fathers, going back to the pilgrims before the founding fathers, they went to the thing of making sure that both sides get to be heard. And that's just now starting to happen on this issue. So Proverbs 1817, one side sounds good until you hear the other. That's what's happening now. And so what Barry has done has been able to go after all the stuff that was not done on the other side. Even our Bill of Rights that says you have a right to confront your accuser. That was that never happened in this process. You didn't have a defense in a prosecution. You had a prosecution. And Rick, like you said, it was a show trial. Was which trial? This this is back to, you know, 1691, 69 two in Massachusetts, where if you were accused, you were convicted. And and now we're starting to get some more of the story. And this is very, very, very, very different than what the narrative was that was carried for two years uninterrupted. And so I really appreciate the process has gone through. I'm disappointed. Took four years, but that's just the way it is today with all the complexity of stuff that we got. You know, even the trials that we had on elections took four years to get some of them done, but now we know where we are. 

Tim Barton [00:02:18] Well, and that I would I would also maybe clarify, I don't think it was a complexity of the issue that took four years. A lot of it was Democrats that were hiding evidence that that the the original January 6th committee had had hidden or I mean, maybe not destroyed, but kind of buried evidence. And there's things that that Congressman, a lot of folks pointed out. They've still had a hard time tracking down some of the evidence that was, quote unquote, presented from that initial January 6th committee as they were highlighting what happened. And then as as he discovered. Right. With how much video evidence was there that some of the video evidence they were using is stuff almost like maybe the CBS Kamala Harris interview where they were kind of cutting and pasting some different things in different places to make it look like something. Maybe it wasn't. That's not exactly what happened. And the narrative often was contradictory of what the real truth was. And what Congressman Latimer pointed out is what what he felt like from the original committee was that they were very dishonest in what they did. And and he initially when the Republicans got back control of the House, he went to the speaker and said, hey, I would like to have an honest investigation and just see what's there. If it really was Trump did something really bad, then we should acknowledge it. And if it's something different than what we heard, then then we should acknowledge that too. But it should be a pursuit of truth wherever the truth takes us. And of course, then the speaker acknowledged that's what we should be doing. And so they reassigned this committee to review January 6th, and they've been actually searching for months and months and months at a time in different occasions, trying to just find some of the information that have been buried or hidden or given somewhere else. So he's had a massive task trying to uncover this. And and they've released some information. There's going to be more that probably will become public very soon, maybe some even this week as we're having this conversation. But but certainly this is something that is critically important, that is being overlooked by most of the media today. So we want to have Congressman Louderback on debt to hear some of what he is finding and what he can tell us in the public. 

Rick Green [00:04:26] Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with Congressman Barry Loudermilk on The WallBuilders Show. 

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Rick Green [00:05:37] Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us. Congressman Barry Loudermilk back with us, great friend from Georgia and doing an incredible work in D.C.. Some big challenges ahead. But Congressman, thank you so much for coming on again, ma'am. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:05:49] Well, it's good to be with you. 

Rick Green [00:05:51] Well, you guys continue to dig deep into the whole G six committee debacle. And man, you've uncovered a lot of stuff that most people in America have no idea this this is going on. But, you know, once again, getting Congress to now have to do something to undo what it did in the past. That's tough. So what is it you're attempting to do with this repudiation of of the fact, you know, quote unquote, fact findings of the previous committee? 

Barry Loudermilk [00:06:16] To set the record straight. When Kevin McCarthy, you was speaker, then asked me to take on this task of investigating the security failures at the Capitol, what really happened on January 6th and the actions of the select committee. I told him I do it under two conditions. One, that I was given the resources and the authority to conduct a real investigation, not a politically based one, and that I was given the freedom to find the truth, regardless of what that truth is and present it to the American people. And he said, that's exactly what I want done. And so, you know, very quickly we found out that the information that was supposed to be preserved for us, we did not have all of it. And yeah, and that a lot of evidence was not retained by the select committee. So we spent about the first year just rebuilding all the documents that they had that either they destroyed or sent away or put in hiding. And so out of all that information is the truth of what happened. And so we want to make sure that future generations of Americans know what really happened, what led to those events, but more importantly, what didn't happen and what didn't lead to those events, which is basically a narrative that was painted by the select committee. They went into this with a predetermined narrative and they weren't going to let anything, including the truth and facts stand in their way. And basically what they did is if somebody came in and testified to something that didn't fit their narrative, they just conveniently lost or removed the that evidence and they cherry picked what they wanted to say. Basically, Trump organized this, he planned it this, and he stood in the way of stopping it, and which none of that is the truth. 

Rick Green [00:08:06] And it was like it was like a, you know, a classic show trial, right? I mean, they literally designed it to create this narrative and back up this narrative that they, you know, were pushing and the fact that they hid so much from you guys and destroyed so much of the evidence. I mean, it's hard for me to believe that's been now over a year ago, the first time we had you on to talk about this and you were already really surprised at the lack of. Just respect for the process that that had taken place. And you and I had this conversation. We talked about the fact that restoring faith in the institutions is going to require exactly what you've done, which is to go in exactly as you just described, saying, hey, wherever the evidence leads of this, if this makes Trump look bad, if it makes Republicans look bad, that we're going to go there and show it. If it makes Democrats, it doesn't matter. It's not a party thing. It's what actually happened. So for you to be able to present this evidence to the whole house body and get them to take some kind of action, that's a big step towards that restoration of faith in the institutions. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:09:03] It absolutely is. And, you know, we need to make sure that future generations, when they look at this, they know what happened. We also need to for Congress to know what really happened, because through all this, we're uncovering massive amounts of corruption in almost every department. I mean, things that we found out as even the Secret Service, they got their eye off their mission because they were focused more on DTI and, you know, social issues and politics and not doing their job, which became evident as we were investigating even the pipe bombs that were left on January 5th left in an order so they would be found. But we had I have video evidence of Secret Service agents who were advancing. Then Vice President Kamala Harris visit to the Democrat national headquarters right there, just off just outside of Capitol Hill. They went to advance to do the sweeps to make sure everything was safe. And the agent walked right by the pipe bomb twice, never saw it, even had a dog, never alerted on it. And it was literally left to be seen. And then when they did find it, they evacuated her, bringing her out the door right next to the pipe bomb. So there was a lot red carpet that's going on the Secret Service then, which played into obviously the July 13th issues and other issues they've had. And so we throughout this process, we're uncovering incompetence, corruption. There has to be exposed and you have to know the truth before you can actually fix things. So and that's another reason why we need to correct the record. 

Rick Green [00:10:34] Well, and brother, we got man, we got to do a whole nother show on just that topic because it seems to be happening everywhere. I mean, the whole FEMA, you know, they're just a they are to the disaster now. And you look at these videos where they're you know, it's all about transgenderism and and all this stuff that has nothing to do with FEMA whatsoever. But it's just like the DEI stuff. It just completely gets you off target and off mission. And we see that, you know, we see that in federal agency after federal agency. What it what do you what do you expect process wise like as you present this to the house? What exactly are you asking them to do? And we've covered other programs. We'll link today to a lot of the details you went into in previous programs on a lot of the things that you found. But what what's the process as you present this? What are you asking the House to do? 

Barry Loudermilk [00:11:23] Well, we're basically going to seek to have a read a resolution passed that basically disavows the select committees report because it is so biased and it is flawed. It is it's filled with untruths. And so to do this, we're going to have to go down and make the case basically line by line, what is fact? What is fiction within the select committee? And you'll be surprised how much fiction there is. Every time we think we're close to closing this up, we uncover something else. Most recently, the Department of Defense was involved in a major cover up. Yeah, there were two delays in getting National Guard there to help. The first was from the speaker's office, kept denying the police chief's request to bring in the National Guard until shots were fired in the Capitol. Then she thought it was important to bring him in. That would be Nancy Pelosi. The second delay was once the actual request was made to the Pentagon, because you have to request it or they can't send them. Separation of powers under the Constitution. Once that request was made, which was at 230 in the afternoon, we're talking about between 4 and 6 hours after that before the National Guard actually arrives. Wow. And so we started looking at this. The Department of Defense inspector general actually investigated this and basically said it was the National Guard's fault. But we started to whistleblowers say, from senior leadership in the D.C. National Guard that said, we were actually at the at the armory dressed with our riot gear ready to go from early that morning. We were ready. We were purposefully delayed by the Pentagon. So we started investigating. And this is where we've actually obtained a lot of documents that so like committee didn't even go out and get. And we started as part of this investigation. We found out that General Milley testified under oath that on January the 3rd, President Trump ordered the National Guard to be ready to deploy to protect people and keep things safe on January 6th because they knew there's a lot of people coming. He delegated the authority to deploy the National Guard to the Department of Defense, the secretary of defense and secretary Army on January the 3rd. They had full authority to do it. This is something we found out. You know that extending our investigation. 

Rick Green [00:13:39] Three days before. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:13:40] We uncovered that the Pentagon purposefully delayed the National Guard. They didn't like the optics. Some were afraid the perception they were participating in insurrection, which I don't understand that, because if you believe an insurrection was going on, you're delaying the National Guard to go and stop it. 

Rick Green [00:13:59] That's right. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:13:59] The truth was, the Pentagon purposely delayed the National Guard didn't want them there until after the violence was over. What good does that do? No. So these are more illustrations of, okay, we've uncovered this. Now we have to go back and not only correct the record from the select committee report because they just took what the Department of Defense IG said, but now we have to go to the Department of Defense. IG And we're trying to get them to correct their report, which so far they're not willing to do, even though their report is contrary to the very evidence that they obtained, that it was a purposeful delay by the Department of Defense, not by the D.C. National Guard. 

Rick Green [00:14:38] Wow, man. You know, getting the information out there is the hard part. But steps like this help with that. And of course, Congressman, you know that the left continues the narrative. And the more this stuff comes out, the more I feel like this is the rocket fire of 1933 in Germany, because, you know, the narrative is, of course, we heard it in the in the vice presidential debate, Tim Walz saying, you know, this is the first president to. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:14:58] To to. 

Rick Green [00:14:58] Try to overturn the election. Well, nobody was trying to overturn the election. They were just asking for electors to be questioned and investigated and that the right person would, in fact, be installed based on that investigation. I mean, the narrative continues. And and a lot of Americans believe it. They actually think that there was some sort of insurrection to actually take over the government and all of these things. And there were bad things that happened. But that's the problem when they start lying about it, is you is you lose this. I can't think of the word I'm looking for, but you lose this ability to to to separate the bad actors from the good actors and you and you and you lose this ability to actually have just common sense in looking at it so you can prosecute people that did bad things but not prosecute people that didn't do bad things and have some sort of balance that just makes sense. It's all one extreme or the other. And I just appreciate you bringing some common sense to this and looking at it with, you know, true justice eyes. Right? We're trying to actually find justice. We're not trying to to feed one narrative of the other. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:15:58] Right. And, you know, it's selective process. Yeah. 

Rick Green [00:16:02] Yeah. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:16:03] Well, because one thing we're bringing out is where's the FBI with the pipe bomb investigation? Are they putting the same effort into that that they're putting in going after the grandma who happened to, you know, go into the Capitol but didn't do anything and left? Right Now we also have the gallows is an issue. There was a gallows erected at the Capitol that stayed up through from early that morning till late in the evening. Why was that allowed to be up that long and who put it up? We actually have a clear picture of from a video surveillance of the person, one of the person or persons that erected that that gallows, a clear picture of them. Why is the FBI still doesn't know who erected the gallows, but they're using facial recognition for protesters, right? Yeah, right. I'm not I'm not saying not everyone should be in jail because there was tremendous acts of violence taken place that day. But justice should be equally applied to every right. That is the definition of justice. And we're not seeing that. We're seeing a politicization and a weaponization of basically every agency in the federal government, especially those that had any part dealing with the January 6th riot. 

Rick Green [00:17:18] Yeah, you know, it's that whole blind justice idea that we used to really love and believe in, right? Where we would look at this and say, it doesn't matter. Your party affiliation, your religious affiliation, the color of your skin, justice is going to treat everybody the same. And this pox on all houses has has just been toxic. Toxic. Toxic. Yes. And you guys are helping to, you know, get rid of that basically, and remove that. And purify is not the right word, but basically bring back, you know, this this blind justice idea that we're going to look at it regardless of who the who the actors are. When when will this take place, Mary? Is this is this something in the coming weeks or will it be after January? When do you think this would happen? 

Barry Loudermilk [00:18:01] I think we're going to be pushing to get this through during the lame duck session. We were hoping to do something in September, but we kept uncovering more and more that we had to, you know, follow up on. Yeah, one of those which will be coming out in the next few days is that we have uncovered backchannel communications between Liz Cheney and some key witness. This is before they testified without attorneys present, which is in violation of attorney ethics and law, but specifically their star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, who had already testified three times, didn't give them what they were looking for. We're releasing evidence that we have of text communications between Cassidy Hutchinson, Alyssa Farah, who was the go between, and Liz Cheney herself to set up meetings of which Cassidy's attorney wasn't present. And during those meetings is when she started changing her testimony. In fact, after one meeting, she. Cassidy Hutchinson left the meeting. She fired her attorney, and Liz Cheney arranged for her to get a new attorney pro bono. 

Rick Green [00:19:09] So talk about witness coaching. My goodness. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:19:12] This this will be coming out very, very soon. And so is still this this investigation is like an octopus with many tentacles that are in it. Each tentacle keeps uncovering more and more. But we have to we're looking at the doing a final report before the end of the year. But prior to that final report is coming out with this resolution basically discrediting the select committee's report. But another reason we need to do this is this report is being used in litigation. Jack Smith is using the report from Congress as fact in litigation in Georgia. They were trying to use some of that. And a lot of what we've uncovered helped to get those those. 

Rick Green [00:19:59] And you're talking about those Fulton County charges against John Eastman. And in all or all of the folks there. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:20:04] Yeah, right. They're using they're using some of the select committee's report, which we have proven to be false. Real quick, I could give you one prime example of how all this has played out. Cassidy Hutchinson, again, the star witness that they had, she's the one who testified that Trump was so angry on January 6th, he attacked a Secret Service agent and he tried to take control of the SUV he was in and make them drive him to the Capitol. Now, that's hard to believe to start with, right? Well, that story came out after she had a meeting with Liz Cheney. They called her in for a fourth deposition under oath. That's when she started telling these really outlandish stories without any corroboration of her story. They scheduled an emergency televised hearing and they paraded her in front of the world. And she told all these stories uncorroborated. It's it's real easy to corroborate that story. You call the driver the Secret Service driver. And in question him, She testified in June that this happened. They did not call the driver in until November after the midterm elections. 

Rick Green [00:21:16] Well, wow. And while the narratives out there just being repeated over and over and over again. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:21:21] Yeah, they get this. When they finally called him out with these this is one of the interviews, the transcripts we did not have. We were able to track them down and found out they were sent to the Department of Homeland Security. Now, these are House documents. They were sent to the executive branch. And we also had some that were sent to the White House. We have obtained all those. Now, when I sat down and read the drivers transcribed interview for the first time, I was amazed because his attorney chastised the select committee and said, your witness testified in June of these allegations. I and my client reached out to you in July, August and September. To come in and correct the record, and now it's November that you're calling us in. So they're basically the driver saying, I want to tell you the truth. And they were stonewalling him. And now get this, Rick, when they finally got to talk to him, they never ask him about that event. Unreal. He had to interject it on his own. And they tried to stop him from saying anything. But we have it. Every Secret Service agent said none of that happened, but all of that evidence disappeared. That totally undermines everything that Cassidy Hutchinson said she testified about. Trump's so mad he threw food Against the Wall. We have the testimony of the valet who worked in the the White House dining room who said there was no food in the room that day for him to throw. We have another person that was very close to Trump, a White House employee who said he never chanted Hang Mike Mike Pence and never agreed with the protesters. All the things that she testified for. Somebody who was first person in the room at that time said that never happened. But all that evidence was sent away and was never part of their final report. 

Rick Green [00:23:09] You know, this is downstream from and I know we're out of time, but this is downstream from the very first bad decision that tainted this whole committee, which was to not let the Republican leadership pick their own members. Right. You know, the idea of following process and both sides having their voice instead of Nancy Pelosi hand-picking the people on this thing to set up this whole deal. I mean, right there just just we've lost that honor of the process and the system and the you know, regardless what party you're in or whatever that we used to, we used to respect that. And and you guys bringing that back and reestablishing that, it's going to take time. But, man, I just applaud you for continuing to do that. The nation needs this to happen. And we appreciate you so much. Just being being steadfast in this whole thing and can't wait to get the full report and look forward to getting you back in a few weeks, maybe maybe towards the end of the year as you get closer to to actually having the vote on the resolution. But God bless you, brother. Tell the whole family howdy from the from the Greens and the Barton's, and we'll look forward to seeing you soon. 

Barry Loudermilk [00:24:06] All right. Thanks, Rick. 

Rick Green [00:24:08] Well that was very Loudermilk with us here on The WallBuilders Show. Back with David and Tim now. And guys, more and more of this will come out eventually, but honestly, we're not hearing a lot about it. So it's one reason we cover covered here on WallBuilders so that folks can can share it with their friends and family. 

Tim Barton [00:24:22] Well, I think one of the things that is worth pointing out, I've heard him say this several times. I remember the first time he was telling us this. I was it was challenging to my internal core belief that there were some very bad people who did some very bad things on January 6th, because my initial gut reaction is, no, this is just this is the government being corrupt. Again, this is the deep state. This is all bad things. And what he pointed out is that there were actually some entrances where there was incredible violence. And I guess, I mean, this really shouldn't be surprising because we have seen antifa at times that will come kind of infiltrate some of these conservative rallies and they'll be troublemakers trying to make it look sometimes like it's these Bible believing conservatives that are being these really bad actors and kind of terrorist in some regard and respect. And so it's something that I think, as he's pointing out, we need to be pursuers of truth and we need to be careful not to let the pendulum swing from one ditch to the other that, you know, one day it was conservatives are all bad and evil and they stormed the Capitol. They tried to overthrow government and etc., etc.. Well, the other ditch might be that it was only good people who did nothing wrong. Well, neither ditches is ultimately correct. However, where we've seen so many injustices is of the honest people that that were not there to cause trouble, that that sometimes just walked into an open door. Right. They took pictures. They looked around and this is amazing. And they left. They did nothing other than walk through open doors. And they're being prosecuted as if they're the ones who did some of the evil acts. And so this is imperative information that has to get out. What they're finding from this committee and we're praying that more and more information will come out quickly that can even help vindicate some of these people that have been wrongfully accused of doing evil things when in fact, they were not guilty of the crimes of which they've been accused. 

Rick Green [00:26:14] Well, once again, special thanks to Congressman Loudermilk. This continues to be a well, it's a difficult burden, guys. I mean, it really is. But he's restoring faith in the institutions. Super important to take place. So folks that are listening now, a great program for you to share with others, because, again, this is one that is not getting reported by the major media out there. And there's, of course, more of this at our website. So be sure and check it out today. Wallbuilders.com for our main site and WallBuilders.show if you want to go directly to some of the archives from the previous days. Thanks so much for listening to the WallBuilders Show.