Rick Green: 0:07
Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. Thanks for joining us here on the WallBuilders Show. We appreciate you being a part of this. We appreciate you not just listening. I'm going to say that right up front, right here at the beginning of the program that you not just listen to the program but you take action on the things you're going to learn today and throughout the week. Hopefully you're listening throughout the week. You definitely don't want to miss that Friday program. That's the Good News Friday program and so we're always bringing you just rapid fire good news, loading it up on Fridays. I mean, every program we do has some good news in it because we come at it from a Joshua and Caleb perspective. We believe, no matter what's happening out there, we should take that attitude and no matter the giants in the land, no matter the fortified cities that we say God has given us the land, let's go take it. In other words, let's go be good citizens, let's go live out our faith. We'll be good biblical citizens in every area of the culture. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution Coach. It's an honor to serve here with David and Tim Barton. Tim's a national speaker and pastor and president of Walbulders. David Barton, of course, America's premier historian and our founder, here at Walbulders. You can learn more at our website, walbulderscom, and there's also a ton of great resources there. I recommend you go there today and get some good stuff to dive in even further into the truths that made America the greatest nation in the history of the world, because we've got to restore those truths. That's what the nation was built upon. That's what it says right there in the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident, but we've got to know that truth. So we've got to study those things and then we've got to teach our friends and family those things as well, so that we can be part of the solution. And I figure you probably would not even be listening to this program today if you didn't want to be a part of the solution. You know in your gut the culture's crumbling and it's our job to pick up the pieces and start rebuilding and bring those biblical principles back to this nation. Alright, David and Tim, we got Jack Hibbs. Pastor Jack Hibbs from California is going to be with us a little later and often not here on the Wallbubbler Show. We're talking issues, biblical, constitutional, historical perspective, on issues out there. But process is important as well, and we try to emphasize that because too often our side doesn't like to pay attention to that part. It's just passionate about the particular issue. But process really does matter. What are the rules, how do you engage, how do you win? And today's program is going to be specifically about the process of voting and specifically some of these areas where the left figured out, the progressives figured out how to game the system and create an easy to cheat environment and that's the law of the land in many states and folks on the right said, oh, we're not going to do that, we won't engage in that. And our guest later in the program said no, if that's the rules, we've got to beat them at their own game and did really well at that at his church in California. We'll, of course, be talking about I've heard some new words for how to say this. It's ballot harvesting is what most people recognize. I've heard I think it's Charlie Kirk says ballot gathering or ballot chasing and then ballot gathering. I don't know what to call it. But guys, we're going to be talking about collecting ballots today.

David Barton: 2:56
And this goes back to the last election and going into the last election all of us spent a whole lot of time on the road really trying to encourage a voter turnout, particularly among people of faith. We all think America would be much healthier if 100% of citizens voted in every election. People just got voted and got informed. The country would be a whole lot healthier, and so we spent a lot of time doing that. It's interesting that I'll just take a little personal moment here. For the last couple of weeks I really had national media going after me and I've done a lot of radio on this, and the headlines, like in Politico, is that I'm a theocrat advocating theocracy. That is maybe the most undereducated statement I've ever heard. A theocracy requires the abolition of a constitutional republic and all voting. You have to get rid of all voting to have a theocracy. Somebody's appointed by God. That's the leader. Even Wikipedia says the last theocracy was under the prophet Samuel, so somehow they've got me as opposing the constitution and as opposing voting and wanting voting to go away so we can have a theocracy. That is craziness. The three of us probably spend more time on the road encouraging people to get involved and vote and protect and defend the constitution than any other group out there. So the media is really phobic.

Rick Green: 4:16
And David. That's their theme too, brother. They're saying that about Mike Johnson. Now, james Carville had a bunch of crazy comments on that. I mean, literally like the opposite of what we're actually foreseeing, that we're the ones that are anti-constitution when we're teaching more people the constitution than anybody else. And he's saying you know this, anyway, you're exactly right, and it's of course projection right, because they are anti-constitution, they're trying to anyway go ahead, brother.

David Barton: 4:40
Well, they are the ones who want to advocate literally a secular theocracy. They don't want religious people voting. If they could get all religious people out of it. They want a secular theocracy, whether they can have a president who can issue all the executive orders and tell us all what to do. And that's just the way they work. That's what they've done and that's what you see. They centralized power. We decentralized it, we move it back to the people. So, with all that going, we were out there before the election really working hard and people were predicting it was going to be a red wave or red tsunami, and it turned out to be a red trickle. Barely. And the reason Mike Johnson a speaker, is because we had these, these seven, eight extra votes. I think it's now down to five extra votes. That's how close it is razor thin margin. And surprisingly, the pickup and seats did not come out of the places we expected, like a Texas or Tennessee or an Arkansas or Oklahoma. It came out of New York and out of California. Those were two states that are predominantly blue states and we picked up enough seats in those two states to switch the balance of power. And it's not that we're ardent Republicans, we're ardent constitutionalists and conservatives, and of the political parties out there right now the Republicans are the closest one to to follow the Constitution like a Mike Johnson something else. So it's not that we're partisans, it's we want to see the Constitution in place, and it was New York and it was California who made the biggest contributions. Now we started talking to, three years ago about this, this verse in 2 Timothy 2, 5 that says an athlete will not be crowned victor unless he runs according to the rules. So if you want to win, you have to do according to the rules, and if you want to win the House of Representatives, you got to follow the rules. And the rules and a whole bunch of these states allow for what is called, Rick, as you said, ballot harvesting, ballot chasing, ballot collection, whatever. And conservatives don't like that because we don't like someone going out and picking up the ballots for all these other people. We want those people to cast their votes and make sure that it's the right person cast in the right vote and that that vote is counted. Well, the blue stage generally allow some type of ballot harvesting, and it was it was Jack Hibbs who said well, if that's the rule in our state, let's do it. And so, just out of his church, a load out of his church. They got 22,000 ballots out of his church he organized in three congressional districts in California. You got other pastors with him, the pastors like Rob McCoy. Three seats in California were flipped just because Christians got involved in following the California rules was they don't like the rules, but they're the rules you got to follow and they use the rules better than the Democrats use the rules, and that's why this change. And so this really is a thing that, hey, if you want to win, play according to the rules, even if you don't like what the rules are. That's the rules you have to play with. Even though I might prefer different rules and basketball or baseball or something else, I've got to play the sport with what the rules are, and that's politics as well. And so, jack Hibbs, it's a wonderful, wonderful story of how they were able to turn things out there and and this is just a model for every single state that has any kind of ballot chasing, ballot harvesting, and it looks like that that it's appearing in more than half the states this election. So this is a good piece for all of us to be able to say, hey, we need to do this, we need to organize better than they do, we need to have turnout better than they do. If we're going to get constitutional conservatives, god, free people elected office, we need to follow the rules. And here's the rules in our state. But Jack Hibbs, great friend and thank you God for his leadership out there because it has made a difference in the nation, no question about it.

Rick Green: 8:14
Well, jack will be with us when we come back from the break. Stay with us folks. You're listening to the WallBuilders show.

Tim Barton: 8:26
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Rick Green: 9:27
Welcome back to WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us. Always great to have Jack Hibbs with us. Pastor out in California. That has led the way on being willing to fight fire with fire and actually win elections for the good guys. Hey, jack, good to have you. Brother Rick, thank you. Thank you so much. Hey you, I remember you coming on the program and talking about this when they first passed all this ballot harvesting and everything. You were like, hey, man, if this is going to be the rules, we've got to play by the rules and beat them at their own game. And you did that at Chino and I just, man, God bless you guys for setting the example, and I'm hearing from people all over the country now that are literally saying, hey, we're going to do what Jack Hibbs did. So you set a great example and I think we've got to let more people know about it.

Jack Hibbs: 10:09
Well, you know what, Rick, it was all. It was no magic. I mean, as soon as I found out about it which was about an hour after the vote in Sacramento, that this is what the Democrats were going to do in California, that I got a hold of one of our constitutional attorneys and I said what does it mean? So he explained it to me and I said so you're telling me that this is legal. And they go yep, 100% legal. This is disaster for us. And I go well, if it's a benefit to the Democrat Party in California, why don't we make it a benefit for the conservative group? Let's do it. And he said well, you know, ethically it's not the right thing to do. And I said listen, it's the law. Now, it's the law. If they said that they can now do ballot harvesting, then let's abide by the rules they made, but let's do it better, let's get it out there. And so, Rick, what we did was we, so to speak, right? We sort of circumcised it, made it custom, we made it very, very transparent to the point where, Rick, it was done so well that CBS News, Fox News, came out, the Democratic Party came out to our church to see what we were doing wrong and the truth of the matter is we were doing everything not only right, we were doing things even better than what they had expected. So the result is what you just said and everybody needs to hear this. Everybody is hearing this that our efforts up and down the state of California to mobilize churches to do ballot harvesting we changed the name from harvesting to ballot collection Good, mobilize the churches. They got involved and we had in 2022, we had just a record turnout in California and California wound up changing the complexion of Congress. Nancy Pelosi got fired and at that time, kevin McCarthy was put in as Speaker of the House, all because California wound up sending more congressmen and women to DC than any other state in that election. How did that happen? In the church, to collect ballots, and it has just taken off now in the states where it is legal. We are working hard with churches and it is going great.

Rick Green: 12:41
You know, I want to back up to something you said earlier about how they came out and they watched how you were doing it and it was even better than what they had designed. And what you mean by that, I think, is the security you guys were, I mean, almost just like. I mean you were more. You were more, you were more careful than anyone. You were locked boxes, locked rooms where everything went. You had two people at a time always watching the ballots. I mean it was from the time that ballot came through the door, from that person attending church that day or however, they were getting there to bring you the ballot. I mean you guys made sure it was secure.

Jack Hibbs: 13:15
It was so well documented that the Democrat party came out to Sue us for for collection interference. We showed them what we did, they what. They went away. Fox News came and they said show us exactly what you do. And that's where things really got traction, because that was picked up out of the Los Angeles Fox affiliate and just went nationwide. The point being is, exactly we just said Rick. Here's what was fun is not only did it work for the congregants, it worked for other churches in the area that were not participating in it for the most congregates. But check this out. We even had video with two Guards hired security personnel for drive-up Ballot collection. None believers, anybody Republican, democrat, independent. They wanted their vote to count, they wanted to vote securely. So they wound up coming to the church parking lot. They didn't have to get out of their car, they literally dropped it in a box and the whole thing is video recorded and we just made it a foolproof system that now we thank God for it it has become something that is now being exported to About 15 states right now regarding this upcoming 2024 election.

Rick Green: 14:40
Absolutely love it and and and also training churches and helping people to do to do these things. I remember in our, in our Biblical Citizenship class, you say that Biblical Citizenship is stewardship, it's being a good steward of what God's given us. And this vote, this, this ability to choose our leaders, to protect freedom, all those things. You know it's something that the church kind of sidestep for years and it's how we got in the mess we're in. You guys are teaching other churches how to engage, how to get involved, how to do this and and other things. So you're your community impact, training that that family research council is doing what you're doing through real impact. I mean, all of these things are having an impact across the nation and you know Some states don't have this as their law, which I think is good, but the ones that do, we need to absolutely beat the left at their, at their own game, and you guys are proving how to do that.

Jack Hibbs: 15:29
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so it's. The beautiful thing about it is is that it is working, and when you look at the districts where we employed this Democrat thought, where we made it into a healthy practice, we have had, as you mentioned in the intro, nothing but success. I'm not even sure if we've lost one Race yet where this has been employed and, Rick, I want to make sure everybody knows this, that is throughout the United States right now. No matter what rules are in your state, good people cannot be thinking well, you know, it's a cheat, it's my vote's not going to count. Don't think like that, because look what just happened in the Netherlands, look what happened in Ireland, look what happened in Argentina. That's right the people had enough. They got angry, enough righteous anger. They went and voted and even if there is to be cheating, or if there were cheating in these other countries, the people showed up in mass. So many people showed up to vote, what is right that it overwhelmed people who were up to mischief. And these countries are seeing great victories and I I hope to see, I believe to see, at least in California, we're going to see some great victories in 2024 because the, the good citizens, are mobilized. They're angry they should be, they're upset, but here's the thing they know what to do about it now. And we export our ministry, resources and Assistance to any church that will ask us Nationwide how do we do this? And that's where we come in and say here's hairs, here's the packet, we'll walk you through it, here's how, here's how it. You don't have to rethink it, it's all right here. Made it as simple as possible.

Rick Green: 17:22
I love it, I love it, I love it. Jack, while I've got you, I wanted to ask you about real life network. You guys have launched and have a ton of fantastic programming there. Tell us a little bit about this. I know this wasn't a purpose of our call, but while I got you, we hadn't had a chance to chat about it yet.

Jack Hibbs: 17:37
Well, listen, real-life network is a response to all the COVID cancellations that we experienced when we were having our church open. And so we just, by God's grace, he blessed during COVID. And so we said to ourselves, how can we create a platform that cannot be canceled? And so we are just exactly what Amazon Prime is, or Netflix or Oulu. Well, we're real-life network and it's 24-7365 Christian content, biblical worldview, conservative theology, and here's what's fun about it is that you can go there and it is safe. There's kids programming, but it's growing every single week. We're expanding the programming. We are getting more and more license to air even moral, good, moral contact, like Ozzy and Ariad believe it or not, the riflemen, things like that, christian movies and or movies of character, the Ten Commandments or Miracle on 34th Street, or whatever that Christmas show is called. It's not just Bible teaching, it's not just great Christian documentaries. It's a well-rounded biblically-based worldview platform and here it's free to the subscriber. Free. It's free to the subscriber and it's free for the programmer. We're not charging Charles Stanley's group or Dr David Jeremiah's group or anybody else a penny. We believe what they're doing. We bring them on the network. People enjoy their content, the kingdom of God is educated and strengthened, and God's provided all the funds for that to happen.

Rick Green: 19:18
It's so good, man, and it flows so well. You've got so many things available on there. So, folks, you get, believe me, you've got a ton of options. When you go to reallifenetworkcom I mean it's Charlie Kirk, David Barton, focus on the Family, some of our Patriot Academy stuff on there, brad Dacus, tony Perkins, I mean you go down the list and then the kids programming. I mean I'm just scrolling through here, jack, this is Dinesh D'Souza, eric Metaxas, I mean all of our friends are. It's just awesome so. I love it, brother. This is the way we win, man. This is the stuff we didn't do for decades, and it's about time we started taking this ground back from the left. So God bless you for having the vision to do that and just continuing to be bold. Every time I talk to you, I get motivated. I'm like I thought I was doing a lot of stuff. Then I get around Jack and I'm like man, I got to get busy.

Jack Hibbs: 20:03
Rick, I take my leave from you, man. I love you. We'll do this together. We are doing this together.

Rick Green: 20:10
Amen.

Jack Hibbs: 20:10
Well, we love you.

Rick Green: 20:11
The Barton say howdy, and we just appreciate all you're doing and let's get you back soon, man, but thanks for leading the way on this, oh, oh. By the way, so churches that are listening right now that in their state this is it is the ballot gathering that is legal. What is the best place for them to go to to get that training, or where can they reach out?

Jack Hibbs: 20:28
RealEasy, realimpactus, realimpactus, simple as that.

Rick Green: 20:35
Excellent, excellent. We'll have a link today. Folks, realimpactus, get that information in the hands of your pastor and start looking for ways to do this in your community. Jack Hibbs, God bless you, man, keep being a man of Issa. Car out there. We appreciate you.

Jack Hibbs: 20:48
God bless your brother, take care.

Rick Green: 20:49
Stay with us folks, be right back with David and Tim Barton. We're back here on the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us and thanks to Jack Kivbs. Man, what a great Black Road Regiment pastor. I mean guys, I can just see Jack back in you know 1776 grabbing the musket and marching off to war with the guys from his church. He's just that kind of pastor and we're blessed to have him.

Tim Barton: 22:19
He really does. We actually have some friends mutual friends that attend his church now. And the reason they attend his church now is because during COVID, when so many churches were shut down, his was open and they wanted to go to church. And they went to his church and they said you know, it's so different from our other church, they're a little crazier, and we kind of like it because Jack Kivbs is that guy who is going to stand up boldly, unapologetically, to proclaim the truth of the word of God. And you know, as he was explaining some of what they've done and how they turned things around, it is such a good point and worth noting that had it not been for pastors like him in California doing some of this ballot collection, Mike Johnson could not be the speaker of the house right now because Republicans would not have the majority. It was because of California. As much as we knock Californian, as much as around the nation, people are pointing to California and going man. It's ridiculous. And when Ron DeSantis and Governor Newsom had their debate and Newsom just looked awful and terrible in that debate, as much as people want to knock California, some of the strongest leaders, some of the strongest conservatives we know are in and from California and largely Jack Kivbs leadership has made such a difference, not just in California but in the nation, as he mentioned. This is something that now they've taken this system and they're able to help roll it out for other churches, not just in California but literally around the nation that has some of these same ballot harvesting or ballot collecting laws to say, like, certainly we don't agree with how this works, but if this is the way the rules are, then we will play by the rules until we can get the rules changed to be a more just set of rules. And so it's just so much wisdom, so much courage and leadership and unquestionably what he's doing is making a major difference in the nation.

David Barton: 24:15
Yeah, he is making a huge difference in the nation and again, Tim, as you pointed out, the reason the nation has turned in the direction is because we now have the House of Representatives to stop a lot of stuff that's coming out of the executive branch and the Senate. And that's because of California and New York, who both states got involved in this ballot chasing, ballot harvesting, ballot collecting type stuff. And again, nearly half the states do this now. So this is something that every congregation do, and I love the fact that Jack said, hey, we're going to do better than anybody else. And so he has cameras on every ballot showing every ballot being cast, going to the box, being protected. You know, as he pointed out, the opposition came hoping to shut him down and he was doing it better than they were, and they got beat at their own game. And this is exactly the way it needs to happen. Don't complain about what's going on. Oh, complain if you want to, but go make a difference in the meantime. You know you may not like ballot harvesting, but get out there and make a difference using it until you can get your people in office to change that and do something much better. But I have no doubt that the ballots that were cast, that Jack collected his shirts, they were cast in the way those people wanted them. There's no doubt in my mind that because the way he did it, nobody stopped on the way and picked up extra boxes of ballots and nobody switched out ballots and nobody took out the conservative ballots and you know all the stuff that we've worried about in other states that did not happen here and so, playing by the rules, the nation got rewarded for that. So hopefully everybody kind of look into that in your own state, find out what the laws are in your state, get your people, your churches, organized, get your civic groups organized, get your you know trail life, whatever it is organized and be able to do some of these things that will make a real difference in elections in this cycle.

Rick Green: 25:54
It makes a huge difference and, David, you've been, you've been singing this song for, oh can, is it okay if I say decades? Because, man, I remember, even back when we started Patriot Academy, you were talking about the importance of process, process, process, and how we'd have that outlet and doing that legislative simulation to teach these kids the process so they would know how to win, know how to work the system in a proper way. And even today, man, that's still a struggle to get. Get our side to think about that and follow the those. You know that, the necessity of really knowing the rules when you go into battle. So this is very, very good news. Jack's setting a fantastic example for all of us. And be sure, and share this program with your pastor and with folks in in in the different circles that you're in that are involved in the political realm, so that they start learning the rules and how to win as well. Thanks for listening. Today You've been listening to the WallBuilders show.