Rick Green: 0:04
Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It's WallBuilders, where we take on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution Coach and former Texas legislator, and we're going to jump right into our interview. For today we have on the phone Omer Eshel from Israel, going to get an update on what's happening on the ground there, thankful so much for what he does and of course, the Bartons do their tours with him over in Israel and just a great friend of the WallBuilders program have him on often and of course, now a very, very difficult time and it's a great opportunity to get an update from him on the ground and remind our audience why we stand with Israel. Omer, God bless you, man. Thank you so much for some time today.

Omer Eshel: 0:53
God bless you. Thank you for having me again.

Rick Green: 0:56
Well, you know we've been talking a lot over the last week on the program about the importance of supporting Israel. What's happening, the difference, you know and we're watching. In fact, let's just start here. We're watching over here in the United States this attempt at moral equivalence and the brainwashing that's happened in the universities for the last five decades. There's a ton of people in the United States that are actually defending Hamas. So we think it's important to have you on to talk about what's actually happening there, so that people can see. I mean, I always say it's an obvious good guys and bad guys situation, but they need to hear from people like you that are on the ground. So thanks for coming on. Just tell us what's happening. At this point, I mean, we're, you know, seven or eight days into this thing and wondering you know for you where you are, what you're seeing and how you think folks are doing?

Omer Eshel: 1:47
Well, let me start with the first question. I'm always amazed how the liberals they're back in Hamas. But these are the same people that Hamas despite. I mean I remember I heard on the news the spokesman from the gay community said oh, they're freedom fighters, oh, we should support them. These are the same guys that Hamas will gun them down before they were killed at you.

Rick Green: 2:12
Yeah.

Omer Eshel: 2:13
It's mind blowing. These are the same people that said oh, we fight for our rights and they fight for their rights. Yeah Well, you guys don't enter into homes killing babies and burning them, burning children alive. A little bit of a difference. I'm amazed by this.

Tim Barton: 2:30
I'm amazed.

Omer Eshel: 2:31
Imagine in Second World War, after that trust the Nazis, people in the United States will come and say, oh, we support the Nazis over their rights, Just doing what is good for their country. Seriously.

Rick Green: 2:46
That only happens because of the brainwashing. I mean they are inundated with the most absurd lies about the whole story. I mean, of course, as you know way better than I do, but I mean they tell these kids in college so many lies about Israel, about the land, about who the Palestinians are, about who's doing what, and they never hear the truth, and so they buy this junk. And the media, of course, in America completely fails at it. I'm actually shocked right now that there's a few of the more liberal media outlets that are actually they're actually siding with Israel. That's very unusual. I'm glad to see that happening. But, man, it's just, it's absurd what they do and that's why you end up with these. I'm sorry, man, I'm just going to call them fools. They're literally fools, because it's exactly what you're saying Hamas would murder them in an instant and yet they're out there supporting Hamas. So, yeah, it's crazy.

Omer Eshel: 3:44
Hamas will live in just because they looked at them. It was a really good interview a few days ago about the BBC being so liberal the Brits are so liberal and the talk about proportionality that Israel is bombing in an improportional way and it's an improportional conflict. Well, let me tell something to our liberal. I don't think you guys have liberal work, but anyone who has a liberal friend, let's start with that. There's no such thing as proportional balance in war. It just doesn't exist. Now I want to use some of his words. I don't remember the guy's name, but he was brilliant and I do want people to hear what he said. He said if you want to be proportional in this war, you need to find a party, a peace party, in Gaza. Then kill and rape people in that party. They need to find a village. It will be about the same size of the town of De Roth, go door to door, break the doors, kill as many children as they did last Saturday, rape as many women as they did last, burn alive as many people as they did last Saturday, and then you're in a proportional way. That's basically what it is.

Rick Green: 5:00
That's it, man. I mean that right there should and I think I saw this clip because I was blown away and I thought that that's exactly what these foolish kids on these college campuses that are marching against Israel right now. That's what they need to hear, they need to. It needs to be in their face, honestly. That's why I'm actually for a lot of these images that are out on social media, and I think you have to show it. You have to shake people out of their silly little ivory towers to understand what's actually happening. Yeah, I think you just described that perfectly. What about there in Israel? Is there complete unification at this point? Are there still liberals in Israel that are saying no, no, no, we need to back off or we don't need to be as strong, or whatever their typical response would be?

Omer Eshel: 5:46
Well then you're always going to have the liberal. Uh, we call them, we call them hitchhikers. Those are hitchhikers of the blood, so they'll build, so everybody will hear them. You don't have in any of this society, in any of this democracy. So you do have something. That's not something, I guess it, but I would say one the population of Camile. So, what we're facing here. It's not a regular conflict with Hamas or with Islamic jihad or any other crazy guys who tell everybody that America that's the America, that's the Israel. We're talking about Nazis. We're talking about I don't want to use the word animals, because animals are created by God and respect animals. We fighting humans, I mean, and now, and I got to share this with you the reason, brother, well, we have so many footages and horror images on social media because the Israeli army took them after effect is because those terrorists took those movies while doing those, because they enjoyed it so much.

Rick Green: 6:53
Yes, and they're the ones that shared it. I mean, they bragged about it. They're proud of their evil carnage.

Omer Eshel: 7:00
Oh yeah If that doesn't tell you yeah. I mean yeah. When you look at my Facebook, for example, the images that I show is me riding with my girls on bicycles.

Rick Green: 7:13
Right.

Omer Eshel: 7:14
You know that's me. You know someone has another idea of a good Saturday morning, like burning children alive and taking a picture of stuff and spawning next to it. I mean, Dad, do you want to put it up?

Rick Green: 7:24
Yeah, yeah. No, in fact, I couldn't believe this when it happened. That afternoon I shared one of those stories and there were several clips in the story and I said you know, if it's not obvious to you who the good guys and bad guys are, you know, yadda? I went through the whole thing. I could not believe the comments you know from and these weren't you know people that are in our organization. They're just people that were trolling my social media but I could not believe there were more comments, honestly more comments supporting Hamas and not Israel than I would have ever thought I would see in my own Facebook feed and other social media feeds. And it makes me wonder, you know, are they just really good at the tech side of this? They know to go out there and post this stuff to try to make it look like they have more supporters in America than they do. Or have we really lost a generation to these universities that are so insane in their woke policies that they support Hamas? And I sensed it 10 years ago, in fact, I think you and I probably talked about this years ago, but I could tell how much this next generation was against Israel instead of being for Israel, and it's why we so support getting people to go to Israel and do the tours with you guys and see things firsthand, so that they'll come back to America and be champions for Israel. So that's a rabbit trail. I'm kind of going down a rabbit trail from where we should be, but that's one reason I like so much for people to, you know, go over there because they come back champions, and obviously we haven't done enough of that, but we need to do more. So let's get back to you and what's happening right there on the ground In terms of responses, right now. you know what's the best way for people to help. I mean, obviously our people are saying, yes, we're praying, you know, we're donating through Mercury One and doing these things. What do you think will happen in terms of not just the military offensive to wipe Hamas out, but in terms of helping meet the need of the Israelis that have been harmed? Well, get on Mayor thoughts on that when we come back. We got to take a quick break. So those folks you're listening to WallBuilders.

Tim Barton: 9:59
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Rick Green: 10:42
We're back on Walnut. Thanks for staying with us, omer Eshel, our special guest today on the ground in Israel, getting an update on what's happening there, omer, right before the break, just talking about what people can be, what's happening now and what can we continue to do to help.

Omer Eshel: 10:57
So I can tell what's going on right now is I'm standing on the coast of Adara watching this beautiful sunset. I hear tons of jet Israeli jet flying above us because of his bala. His bala is Iran. People think his bala is Lebanon. No, his bala is 100% Iran. So his bala is now trying to the Lord is running toward. So I hear a lot of fighter jets above us. Most of us are drafted I'm drafted as well so we are protecting our villages. I am in what you guys will call it National Guard. Yes, I mean in Israel. It feels the army, but you guys will have your equivalent will be National Guard.

Tim Barton: 11:36
So I'm now a National Guard.

Omer Eshel: 11:38
Let me send this to everybody else here. In the past days, Israel has been giving humanitarian windows for the population of northern Gaza to be evacuated, the South End of Gaza. Not all people were evacuated because of Hamas. Hamas are blocking the people or going down because they want to use them as human shields. They're killing line. You know there's a guy making it up, Checking the line, you'll see it. So we have a problem now that Israel wants to retaliate, but we cannot at this point because the death toll from the Palestinian side will be so big. By the way, we're talking about the same people who celebrated when they paraded the hostages in Gaza. But, still because we are under obligation of the war. We're not going to bomb civilians. So, as of now, Israel is still fighting from the air using direct missiles, trying not to hit civilians. In the north we have a lot of tension because of his bala, so he's fighting just all the time of bala. And you ask how people can help. First of all, pray for us. I can tell you I'm giving updates every morning and I'm up most of the night and most of the day and I'm not tired, and I'm not tired because I do. I really think that's the spirit of God. I really think so. I really believe that because of your prayers and also, as you mentioned, war builders have been extremely generous and you guys send over money to help people here. I can tell you what we did with the money that you sent us We've launched a communication system for first responders for few villages. We bought aims and scopes for some of our 15s, for the fence. We bought food for refugees. There are half a million Israeli refugees right now who left their home and nobody speaks about it. All the people who live around Gaza are refugees in Israel Jews. Nobody speaks about it. They left their home. So we're supporting them with the money that you guys sent. We're buying clothes to people we need. Imagine we have a half a million people that left with a trolley and that's it in their own country. So, by the way, one of them is my sister, so we are using that fund. We're now building a full facility for children that their parents are in in the Army and basically they have nothing to do, so we're building an education facility for those kids with the money that you guys sent. What I'm doing now? I'm trying to use most of the money that is being sent to us for civilian usage. The Army they're good, they have a lot of donors, they have a lot of support, but nobody remembers the children that they buy themselves and the family that buy themselves, and this is the way you guys come into the picture. This is what we got doing. In the beginning we gave a lot of the military. Now the focus is most civilian for the children that are behind.

Rick Green: 14:30
Yeah, yeah. I'm so glad to hear that it is helping and we want to encourage people. Today, in fact, we're encouraging everyone to go donate at Mercury One and we're going to help get more aid over to Amir and the others. Let me ask you this, as you're listening to a lot of the political side of this with the neighboring countries. Always the concern is how many of these other Islamic countries jump in, not only Iran through Hezbollah, but do you guys end up back in a situation where everybody around you is coming at you at once? I mean, what's the status? Because I don't believe anything in the American media Like what are you hearing over there with regard to whether or not it's you guys are going to have to end up like you were in the Six-Day War.

Omer Eshel: 15:17
I think what's going to happen now we have to remember Hisbala is not Lebanon. Hisbala is not Lebanon. The family Hamas is not of Hattini. Hisbala is Iran. This whole thing was cooked by I think that's my take on this by Iran and Russia, and I'm going to give you the overall picture, the greatest scheme picture. We were about to sign a peace treaty with Saudi. Saudi is the leader of the Sunni world, the sworn enemy of Iran. It's funny Iran hates Saudi more than they hate the Jews. It's incredible, but that's the fact. What happened was, if we were to sign a peace treaty with Saudi, iran would be isolated and then the West will have a lot of strength to basically go against Iran and against Russia. Why they did? Because Putin and China and Iran are like this, with new access powers like the Second World War. So they are the one who funded the whole thing. They are the one. Iran is behind the whole thing and look at it, a lot of funds from the West are being moved away from the war in Ukraine to. Israel. Think about it. What a coincidence.

Rick Green: 16:27
Right, right, yeah. So I mean, everything you just said sounds good to me, it sounds like good news to me. I did not realize that, man I mean that's why we love having you on is just kind of understanding all the different moving pieces over there and what's happening. It's interesting, you know, going back to the whole good versus evil and people being able to tell who the good guys and the bad guys are. And it comes down to this, even if you don't understand anything, that happened up to this point, when Hamas is literally using innocent civilians as shields and telling them not to leave and go to safety, but stay and die with them and be their shields, while Israel is saying, you know, we're even going to hold back our attack until we can have less carnage with civilians and warning civilians to leave. I mean that reminds me of, frankly, world War Two and the US versus Japan, when we're dropping leaflets everywhere we're going to bomb. We're dropping those leaflets to tell civilians to leave, putting our pilots at risk. In the same way, it puts you guys at risk to let them know where you're going to be attacking, but yet there's a respect for life on your side that the other side does not have.

Omer Eshel: 17:37
But you know, this is the reason why you guys won in Second World War. It's the reason why we are going to win also. God is siding with those who respect life. And you guys did it because of the biblical command and your Western values. That's right. The Japanese did the same thing to you guys. The Japanese actually was looking back then, not today, I guess a bit back then in Second World War they lied to you saying that they want to have peace. They actually gave you medals. I remember the reason about it. They gave you medals of peace. So it's insane. And it's the same with Hamas. Hamas told us oh no, no, that's not us, it's Iran, that's not us. We want to have peace with you, but as long as you're going to give us money, we'll be happy. That sounds familiar to you guys, I know, with the $6 billion. So the big thing that people think to ask me how come you guys got caught? So we're saying here with your hands down, how did that happen? This is our pro harbor. It's exactly the same. You know, nobody even thought in the wildest dreams that we've been under the sea the whole West, by the way. We've been under the sea for the past two and a half years where Hamas was talking about. We want to have peace, just give us money. Iran is doing the exact same thing. Exactly the same. Just pay us and you'll be fine, because they think it's suddenly that right. They say the West is weak because they'd rather pay money than fight us. They don't understand our understanding of human life. Yes we will avoid killing innocent people as much as we can. So we will try to buy their freedom. But don't be mistaken If you're going to attack us, we're not going to belibrate you.

Rick Green: 19:16
That's right. Yeah, no, I think you described that exactly right. I mean, our desire is for peace, our desire is to preserve life, but when we're backed into a corner, we're not going to burn down our house to save someone else's. We're going to make sure we defend our people, just like you will. Can you speak to this whole six hour thing, like what people are saying all kinds of things about why it took so long to respond, when typically there's an immediate response? What was the timeline or what have you learned about that?

Omer Eshel: 19:45
The main problem that we were facing is again, they're waking up of the misconception. It took us a long time to retire it because you have to understand, about 1500 terrorists reached 80 points off the wall and just stormed in attacking civilians. Now, when you are responding, because those villages are about 800 yards away from the border, we're not talking about a no man's land and mine, no, no, no, we're talking about your neighbor's fence. That's how it looks like. So imagine you are a special spawner like me right now, and you're fighting with a pistol. You have a pistol, you have a, I have a C-Vit. You finally, you finally would have seen that again, about 30 armed, trained terrorists are coming to fight and kill your family. So you call in the idea you say you guys have me again, I have me out. So they sent out a helicopter, which they did, but they cannot differentiate who is the terrorist and who is the good guy.

Rick Green: 20:43
Oh, wow, yeah.

Omer Eshel: 20:46
So they're not going to just pray everybody and just kill everybody. It takes time. And what they did? They actually used the choppers, the gunship, to kill anyone who is about 100 yards away from the fence. That's what they did. But then you already have 1500 terrorists already got into Israel, so you have to gun them down one by one using infantry. That's why it took such a long time.

Rick Green: 21:11
Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, one other thing, and I got to let you go. I know you got a lot to do today. What? What about the weapons that were used? Is it true that we're seeing some of the weapons that Hamas had Were American weapons, that we left in Afghanistan and made their way, or is that just hype that we're hearing on our over here?

Omer Eshel: 21:31
Yeah, I mean Hamas used Mostly, I got to say I got to say mostly North Korean, iranian and Russian. That's most of the guns that they use. I got to say it's not so much American guns, okay, but yes, some of it also. We did find American weapon that was probably brought to them from Afghanistan. Up to you guys left and I to say you guys lost a lot of good men in Afghanistan and they took their, their fighting gear and I'm fighting gear ended up here in Israel. So yes, I mean we did so, American weapons as well, but that's majority. North Korea, china, iran and Russia. That's majority of what they were using. I urge people to check online to see how much armament they bought and remind you they attack villages, not military bases. That's right. Three military bases, that's what it did. That's a three-minute military basis and about 22 villages. Why would you bring so much ammunition when you attack a village of civilians?

Rick Green: 22:32
Yeah.

Omer Eshel: 22:33
Look at those pictures and say, ah, okay, that we know what we. They're not here For land, they're not here to conquer land. That that's the, that's the narrative. They're trying to say, oh, the Jews to call, and so we have to take back. That's not the case. They are here for life. They're here take to take people's life. And I know I have a lot of time, but I want people to keep this in mind. Yeah in most of the conflicts in the world, if one army will Conquer another country, the civilian about that country will suffer, but they will not be exterminated. If Russia that's a bit will conquer Ukraine, they're just going to put a puppet government over there and that's it. They're not going to kill the Ukrainian. Here is God forbid. Hamas or his Bala or Iran will conquer Israel. They will do medieval warfare against us, the against the civilians I'm not even talking about the soldiers right now against the civilians. That is how Evil these people are. It's pure evil.

Rick Green: 23:38
You know, omer, I was. I was just talking to my wife today about the fact that there are times in history when it's hard to tell who the good guys and the bad guys are. This is not one of those times. There there is no confusion on anyone you know? it is just so obvious, and and we are with you, my friend, and and please, if you don't mind, I'd love to get you back in a week or so and let's just keep getting updates from you. We really appreciate you being such a good friend of WallBuilders and and we will certainly continue to be a great friend of yours.

Omer Eshel: 24:10
And I think thank you so much for this wonderful support. They're the old support these interviews. They're the fun that you guys are sending your prayers. I I urge people to read Joshua for all of Joshua, but mostly Joshua 10 and Joshua 11, that God was fighting with Joshua for Joshua. We will win this because we follow God's word and God is faithful for his people. I'm not just talking about the Jews and they're not the graph. They didn't as well. Anyone who follows God's command. God blesses them, and we will win. It's going to bleed, we're going to pull, it's going to be hard, but we will win because we don't have any other way around it. So that's a really good incentive.

Rick Green: 24:51
That was Omer Eshel, our good friend and and just so good to get his perspective. I don't know about you as the listeners. I learn every time he's on and and I just think we you know we do need that so much right now, so we'll definitely get him back and cover more of this as this continues. This is not going to be a temporary, you know, this is not going to be a quick solution. It's like we talk about in terms of saving America and and restoring our foundation and our principles here. They're going to be tough days ahead. This is not going to be easy and it's not going to be easy for Israel, and so you know, thankfully we have a lot of people in America that love Israel and that stand with Israel, and it's important for us to put the political pressure on our leaders to continue to do that and not to say one thing on television and then undermine them behind the scenes, but just frankly, to get out of their way. As Rabbi Lapin said last week here on this program, now, if you want to help, the best way to help is Mercury One. That's where you want to make your donation today. They're doing an incredible job helping they. In fact, I was just at the dinner with David and Tim the other night for Mercury Ones fundraiser. They do a lot of help, by the way, not only in helping Israel, but that's that's one of their main focuses right now. Obviously that's at the at the you know top of the list, but I mean they're immediately there with disasters. They do incredible, incredible work. It was really neat to be at the dinner and just hear about all the incredible things that they're doing. But the money right now that they're raising is is to help rescue Americans that are that are stuck over there right now, and also just to continue to serve and help Israel, just like Omer was talking about the types of things that he was talking about. So today, please go to MercuryOne.org , MercuryOne.org and make that donation and help with all the good work that they're doing. Thanks so much for listening. You've been listening to WallBuilders.