Rick Green: 0:00
This is the intersection of faith and the culture at WallBuilders, where we take on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. Thankful for you joining us today on the program, appreciate you listening all the time, but also encourage you to visit our websites. That's where you'll get a wealth of information, a lot of great materials at both websites, and not only just news of the day from that biblical, historical and constitutional perspective, but all kinds of programs that dive deeper into the issues. Where you can get constitution classes, you can get programs like Foundations of Freedom. Maybe you listen on our Thursday programs to Foundation of Freedom Thursday and you'd like to dive even deeper into those issues. Well, there's a really cool television series that we did a few years back with Michele Bachmann and Carol Swain and Glenn Beck and a whole lot of other people that came on that program. That's available at the websites as well. So be sure to check out WallBuilders.com today and then also our radio site WallBuildersLive.com. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution Coach and a former Texas legislator, normally here with David and Tim Barton. David, of course, America's Premier Historian and our founder at WallBuilders, Tim, national Speaker and Pastry and President of Wallb. But today we're actually going to go talk to Barry Loudermilk. He's a congressman that's a great friend to WallBuilders. He's been with us many, many times on the program in our legislators conference for years. In fact he was a state senator out of Georgia before he was a congressman, now a congressman from Georgia and just one of the good guys for sure solid, solid, conservative, biblical world view guy. And we're going to get a chance to visit with him as a part of my new show, The Tavern. So this is actually part of that extended interview that we do with Congressman Loudermilk in The Tavern. Be sure to check that out at www.PatriotAcademy.tv. That's www.PatriotAcademy.tv and there on that streaming service you can watch The Tavern. That's my show where you know we basically it's like the old taverns of the revolutionary period we get in there and we talk about what's going on, talk about the principles of liberty, how to preserve those, how to restore them, what are good strategies and tactics for being able to make a difference in the culture right now. And that show is actually going to provide us opportunities to talk to a lot of people and bring pieces of that here to our WallBuilders radio program as well, and that's what we're going to do today. We'll get a part of that time that I had a chance to spend with Congressman Loudermilk just a few days ago in The Tavern. Here's Congressman Barry Loudermilk, former state legislator and a good friend to all patriots in the country that want to restore the Constitution. He's been teaching on that with his family for many years, probably as long as the Green family. Anyway, Congressman Barry Loudermilk, good to see you, brother.

Barry Loudermilk: 2:46
You too, Rick. It's good to see you, good to be with you. And you know face to face as well.

Rick Green: 2:50
I know what. I wish we were actually sitting in one of those old taverns, you know, and could put on our tricorne hats and find a mug of coffee or whatever and talk about how to save the country. But, man, you're hard at work. Thank you so much for taking time. I know you are in the middle of it in DC and thank you for being willing to go to DC. I've told you this before. I mean I wouldn't want to be there for anything, and the fact that you're willing to go to the swamp and do everything you can to save Liberty in this country, that alone is laudable. So thank you, brother. Man, I got to start by just asking you this assignment that you've been given to chair this subcommittee that is investigating the whole J6 thing and how it was handled. Tell us what the committee's called, and I mean this is a serious assignment and a lot of us, you know we can complain about what happened and how people are being treated across the country, but we can't do much about it. You guys are really digging in right now and you found a lot, but just kind of back up and tell us what the how the committee works and what do you call it and what's a subcommittee versus a regular committee? Kind of help us understand the intern inside baseball a little bit.

Barry Loudermilk: 3:55
I've been on House Administration Committee for about eight years now. I am the senior member on that committee, but never before has the committee had an oversight subcommittee. It's always been a fairly small committee. Speaker McCarthy decided to enlarge the committee, bring more members into it and also create a subcommittee for oversight. Now we fall under the jurisdiction of the House Administration Committee. The chairman is selected instead of by the steering committee. It's actually appointed by the speaker, so the chairman of the full committee is appointed by the speaker. When he met with me, he wanted me to actually chair this subcommittee, but is going to work directly for him, and that is to investigate what really happened on January 6 and the January 6 select committee. That was also a special committee that was put up by Pelosi, and so we fall under the jurisdictional boundaries of House Administration, which means anything that happened on Capitol Hill on January 6 or anything associated with it is in our jurisdiction.

Rick Green: 5:07
That's not in our jurisdiction. That makes sense because it's admin over the grounds, right, and then so whatever happened that day on January 6 on the grounds makes sense. But then your subcommittee is specifically looking into both if I heard you right, both January 6 what happened that day, but also how the you know what was. I think most people saw it was a very biased January 6 investigation that Nancy Pelosi did, where she didn't even allow for the Republicans that the Republicans won another committee. I mean it was awful Anyway, but you guys are also looking into how they handled it and what was done there.

Barry Loudermilk: 5:44
Exactly it is says the select committee is an operation of the House. It's under our jurisdiction. It's not under our jurisdiction is investigating the FBI. But the involvement of FBI on January 6 is within the jurisdiction, which means I work with Jim Jordan closely. Right, we share information, we work together. The January 6 defendants who were in the DC jail is not in our jurisdiction. That's in the jurisdiction of the committee on oversight, which has the jurisdiction of Washington DC, the greater city, or you know, the district. So, but I work with Jamie Cumber on that. So it helps in defining where our guardrails are.

Rick Green: 6:28
So I can't believe you still have hair, man. I would have already pulled all of my hair out with a little bit I have left Just understanding all of that, right there, right? Anyway, go ahead. Well, and those guardrails actually help to define what are we to focus, yeah, and what can you actually do, yeah.

Barry Loudermilk: 6:44
I'm working. We're looking in the department of defense, even though that's a armed services committee issue, but because they were involved in making the decision to not send national guard troops in January in January 6, that also brings them in. So I've got Homeland Security, FBI, the Department of Justice, DEA everyone who is involved now has we have some level of responsibility, at least to obtain information. Yeah, and that's been part of the challenge. One is being in some committee. We've been dealing with a limit about a staff. Speaker McCarthy was giving us more dedicated staff, and so we've gotten more people right now that we've had before because of the tremendous accomplishments or things that we've, the advancements we've made in this committee. Alright, If I mentioned traditional guardrails, have no. Some of the challenges, though, is you have a select committee that no longer exists. It's been disbanded. Talking about the January 6th select committee who we have uncovered, that did not keep all the documents. In fact, they sent documents to the White House and Homeland Security, apparently to keep us from getting them Really, and so we started from scratch with just boxes of documents that were not in any particular order there were, they were not indexed. We got no database. We got a couple of hard drives full of data, and what we expected to receive from the committee is an organized database with everything that they had their communications. That's what is supposed to be kept according to law, because their house records house documents and they were ordered under the house rules to preserve those documents and hand them over to my committee. Documents were handed over, but not all the documents. It took us quite a while to find out what we don't have everything and then start identifying what we don't have, and so a lot of our our uh initial work has been identifying what documents we have. We do have access to 44,000 hours of surveillance video 44,000.

Rick Green: 8:49
I thought it was 14,000. It's 44,000. So did everyone.

Barry Loudermilk: 8:53
That's 44,000. And so we recently uh created a written policy that uh for uh defendants to come and look at it, because most of the attorneys representing defendants were told there was only 14,000 when it's actually 44,000. Wow. And so we've also expanded that to the media. The media can get access and soon we'll be opening part of it up to the public. Um little hesitation and and and opening all of it up to the public, and it's primarily uh to protect the privacy of some innocent people who happen to be there peacefully protesting that their face ends up on the cameras. Because, look, surveillance cameras at the Capitol aren't just inside the Capitol or just outside the Capitol, they're all over Capitol grounds. So there's people who were round book by the reflecting pool, never got caught up close to the Capitol, that their, their image may be on a surveillance video, and the last thing you want are these insurrection hunters going out right, identify them, harassing them.

Rick Green: 9:52
So and Barry, just for our listeners. It may think that you're overblowing that in any way. Man, people lost their jobs. They got, they got fired for just being there that day. I mean their lives, let alone the abuse of the FBI and DOJ and all that stuff. Uh, I, I totally hear what you're saying. It wouldn't just be that they would have access to it and then choose to go after somebody that they weren't going to go after before it's. It's, it's people in their own communities that will say we want you fired simply because you were in Washington DC, uh, as a peaceful protest that day. So I just wanted to clarify for our audience what you're saying is is a real threat.

Barry Loudermilk: 10:28
And it happened to one of the visitors at my office on January 5th. As you remember, the false accusation was made that I gave reconnaissance tours. That's been totally debunked. Even the Capitol police have come out and said there was nothing to it. Um, these were just people who happened to be in DC. They came to hear Trump speak, uh, constituents. They asked to come to office, came to office. We took them to lunch in the house office building cafeteria. They never got close to the Capitol. On January 6th, none of them got close to the Capitol. Uh, they were there for the speech and they never came in, didn't even get close. Um, but they, the select committee still subpoenaed two of the people who visited my office because they used a debit card to buy gifts in the gift shop. That's how they found out about them and, uh, they released their names, wow, um, in the final report. And one of them was actually fired from the job, even though he did nothing wrong. Yeah, and it's been proven he did nothing wrong. But the radical left is out to destroy anybody who even thinks anything kind about Donald Trump, well, or even even.

Rick Green: 11:33
I mean, look, barry, you, you, uh, like you said, they didn't even go to the Capitol. All the kind of stuff You're on the house admin committee, you and I, barton and others, we've done how many hundreds of tours at the Capitol. Even if on January 5th you had taken them over, taken them through the rotunda, done a typical tour like we normally do, shown them the paintings, the statues, would have been nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with that. And yet they're criminalizing that type of thing.

Barry Loudermilk: 11:57
They were and it was just the fact that they were and I. Why they targeted me is, I believe, because I pushed back against the false, uh generic false act accusation that was made days after the attack on the Capitol by one Democrat member who wrote a letter to the Department of Justice asking them to open criminal investigations against the number of Republicans that gave reconnaissance tours and being on house administration at the time, even in the minority, we had access to those uh surveillance cameras and our staff spent hours looking at surveillance cameras to uh determine that there were no Republicans that gave any tours of the Capitol on January the 5th. Yeah, um, and so uh the. In course, even if someone did, as you said, we didn't know the six was going to happen. I mean, the only way that you could uh make the accusation is if somebody knew what was going to happen on the six. Then they tried to do that. They edited videos. I mean, um, I've found out since from some of the the interviews that we've done with uh some people who were on the inside of the uh January 6th select committee is that the investigators on the committee uh told the committee to not make the accusation because there was zero evidence to it at all. But, uh, the committee was just too good of a story, too good of a narrative, uh, to tie Trump to it. Is that somehow I was involved with it? But I, I, I, I, I Well, and to destroy you, barry.

Rick Green: 13:22
I mean, let's be honest, they want to destroy a guy like you. You know you're nice. You're a nice guy. Not a nice guy in terms of, oh, he's just going to be, be run over. You're a nice guy in terms of you're kind of people, but you're a warrior for Liberty, man, I I, I know you're willing to fight back to to preserve Liberty and you're willing to take the tough stands. You did it as a state legislator in Georgia. You've been doing it in DC for for several, several years now. So that's why I'm glad you have this, this subcommittee, because I know you'll dig deep. Got to take a quick break. Folks, stay with us, we'll be right back. Congressman Barry Loudermook, our special guest today, you're listening to WallBuilders. Have you noticed the vacuum of leadership in America? We're looking around for leaders of principle to step up and too often no one is there. God is raising up a generation of young leaders with a passion for impacting the world around them. They're crying out for the mentorship and leadership training they need. Patriot Academy was created to meet that need. Patriot Academy graduates now serve in state capitals around America in the halls of Congress, in business, in the film industry in the pulpit. In every area of the culture. They're leading effectively and impacting the world around them. Patriot Academy is now expanding across the nation and now is your chance to experience this life changing week that trains champions to change the world. Visit patriotacademycom for dates and locations. Our core program is still for young leaders 16 to 25 years old, but we also now have a citizen track for adults, so visit the website today to learn more. Help us fill the void of leadership in America. Join us in training champions to change the world at patriotacademycom. Welcome back to WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us. Our guest, barry Laudermove, congressman from Georgia. We're talking about his work on the subcommittee that is investigating January 6th at the Capitol and, of course, the January 6th committee, literally investigating the committee. That was such a show trial and just good to have you there, congressman, and and and and on that committee. As we were saying right before the break, you've already found things that don't match the narrative and, I think, the big questions that our audience is curious about and a lot of Americans you know. Number one why wasn't there more protection at the Capitol, right? Why was there not? I mean, everybody knew hundreds of thousands of people were going to be in DC. You know, like you said, we've done a lot of these tours. I mean, normally security is a lot more tight, especially for a big crowd like that, so why wasn't there more security? Number two, why did we treat the people that tried to burn buildings and, even when Trump was inaugurated in 2016, did a lot of violence? Why did we treat them so different than we're treating the J6 folks? I mean, these are the big questions. So, as any of that started to, I know you got a lot to dig through, and so I'm not saying you got to have it all figured out tomorrow, but has any of that come to light yet?

Barry Loudermilk: 16:14
It has. You know, the first thing we did is investigate, and I felt a little self-serving, but Speaker McCarthy told me he said no, the reason I put you over this committee is you know exactly what they did to you, you know the way they operate, and that helps you dig into this. Yeah, and so the first thing he wanted me to do is dig in their false accusation to me, which we did. We found the documents, we found the subpoenas, we found the productions from the people that visit my office, fully cooperated with them, provided them vast amounts of pictures and videos from their cell phones, and we found out through all that they knew a full month before they made the accusation. There was nothing to it, and so we ended up presenting that to the media. And it must we must have been very believable, because they didn't report on it, and so some were surprised. I'm like no, we just proved to them that they were duped by the January 6th committee. Yeah, but what that did was build credibility with what we're doing, because Rick, my, my, I'm going after the truth. I'm not out to vindicate Donald Trump, I'm not out to accuse anybody. We're trying to get to the truth because we can't fix anything until we actually know what really happened. That's right, otherwise we're going to repeat it. We we do know that there was intelligence that there was going to be an attack on the Capitol and I can say that we've seen the intelligence. It seems like every executive branch agency knew of the intelligence, including the department of defense, including others the FBI, homeland Security and other CIA. They knew of the threat against the Capitol. That information was shared with the Capitol Police Intelligence Division. The problem is that was never passed any further. The chief of police, chief Steven Sund, at the time was not made aware of that intelligence. In fact it was downplayed and the last intelligence report that was given to him and distributed to the frontline officers and their their command structure was that there is, it's highly unlikely that any of the protest or resultant violence, which is the exact opposite of what the intelligence clearly said, even to the point that the department of events was concerned about the defense of the Capitol and the president even told the department of defense to get the national guard ready to deploy. So everyone else took it seriously, but for some reason there was a failure within the Capitol Police structure. What we're looking at right now and we were talking to people. We've had a transcribed interview with the, the head of the intelligence division there. She has since left the Capitol Police and is now the director of security at UC Merkley, so that may give you an idea of political leanings, but the person who was over that intelligence division ended up being the active acting chief of police after January 6. Really, you see the other thing we've uncovered. Not only was intelligence either suppressed or it was, you know, incompetence, it wasn't passed on, there was a cover up to cover up that intelligence. Wow, pelosi fired the chief of police on January the 7. But she didn't even tell him. She went on the news media and said he's going to resign. That was a dumb move, because you want the person who was there at least to begin the after action and do the investigation as to what happened. Yeah, but she immediately fired him, moved him out and then she made the deputy chief Pittman as acting chief of police, the one who actually was over the division who failed to protect the Capitol on January 6th, rewarded for bad behavior.

Rick Green: 20:08
Even if it was just incompetence. Right, it rewards incompetence, let alone whether there was some conspiracy or something. They just it rewarded incompetence, yeah.

Barry Loudermilk: 20:16
Right and if you look at so, as you know, I was on the baseball field in 2017 when domestic terrorists came on and started shooting at us. There were two Capitol police officers there that day and about a dozen members of Congress. The result of that was a huge after action report. I mean it's multiple chapters. It was a very thick document with two police officers involved, two Capitol police officers and a dozen members of Congress. It was very detailed in what happened January 6th. They had over 1200 Capitol police officers involved and 535 members of Congress. Right, About a dozen pages, no way.

Rick Green: 21:08
That's it. I said that was going to be the last one, barry, but one more before we do the close. You know and this one probably is within y'all's jurisdiction I have friends that and frankly I was disappointed that Donald Trump used this language that say Ashley Babbit was murdered. I have always said if there's a riot and there's an overwhelming and you're the last one between the people you're protecting and the riot, you got to shoot the first one through the door or through the window. I hate to make it sound so trite, but she was coming through a broken window and this police officer was the last one before you guys in the House chamber, not knowing whether or not y'all were even out yet. I can't stand it when people say she was murdered. I mean I know she's. It's a tragedy. And I think her husband says you know she might have had PTSD and was just trying to get away from the violence and I know she was encouraging people not to be violent and all that. But from the police officer's perspective she's coming through the window. I disagree with some of my friends who think this guy should be prosecuted. Have y'all looked at that one or do you have an opinion on that one?

Barry Loudermilk: 22:10
We have and I meet with Ashley Babbit's family. They're in my office quite regularly and it was tragic. I mean you lose a family member from you know, especially in something high profile like this, it really weighs on you and her mom and some supporters are at most of our committee hearings. Even if it has nothing to do with January 6th, they'll show up in the committee.

Rick Green: 22:31
I didn't know that, and yeah.

Barry Loudermilk: 22:34
And so we're working with them. I'll tell you there, there is no evidence to support the accusation she was murdered. Everything that you have laid out is, exactly as we can see it, one of the issues there's no official security cameras in that area, because you're familiar with the Capitol. This was going into the Speaker's Lobby, which is behind the chambers. It's kind of a private area to where members, some press, where we go to make phone calls, have brief meetings. This is kind of a private area, so there's no security cameras right there, and so the only video footage we have is of personal cell phones. That people took videos, and all of those show exactly what you were describing whether she was trying to get away from others or she was coming through a broken window. Whether or not, whether or not the officer should have pulled the trigger, is a question to look at, but he was justified according to Capitol Police protocol to do what he did. So that's where we are right there. Some other things we're looking at, though, is that particular officer. What level of treatment did he receive from Democrat leadership and Capitol Police management after that, as compared to the officers who were actually injured in the battle that was pursuing at the other end of the Capitol. We're looking into that. Was he given special privileges over them, and so we'll probably be reporting on that.

Rick Green: 24:16
Man, I appreciate your honesty, your transparency on what you can and just the hard work. The hard work that you got ahead of you, brother, it's so important. It's a somber, difficult, difficult task that you've been given. So thank you for being not wanting and you're answering the call and for being a patriot that is defending our Constitution and bringing some respect back to the institution. Barry Loudermilk, congressman from Georgia. God bless you, man. Thanks for joining me in The Tavern.

Barry Loudermilk: 24:47
Thanks, Rick, I enjoyed it.

Rick Green: 24:49
Well, folks, that was Congressman Barry Loudermilk in The Tavern with me. If you want to see that whole interview and also the profile and courage for that night and my commentary from The Tavern that night, you can get all of that tomorrow night on The Tavern. This was a sneak peek. That episode is just going to be released tomorrow night and you can get that at PatriotAcademy.tv or over at Warrior Poets Society. If you're not familiar with him, we had John Lovell on oh, I don't know two or three months ago about his new book, Warrior Poet Way, which is essentially the new generation's version of Tinder Warrior. For those of you that were a part of Promise Keepers years ago, you might remember Stu Weber and Steve Farrar. Those guys still do an amazing work, but this was man that was actually 30 years ago, because I gave that book to every guy in my wedding. So I love this concept of Tinder Warrior, warrior Poet. Anyway, The Tavern is a show that they actually approached me about from Warrior Poets Society and it airs there on the Warrior Poets Society network, and then we also air it on PatriotU, which is Patriot Academy's new streaming service available at PatriotAcademy.tv, and then, as often as possible, we'll bring you bits and pieces of those interviews and different things we'll do at The Tavern. We'll bring them right here on WallBuilders because we love sharing that with you out there as well. So thanks so much for listening today. I really appreciate all of you out there that not only listen to WallBuilders but you're also out there being active. You're doing things, you're making a difference. You're getting educated, you're getting equipped, you're doing citizenship, Biblical Citizenship classes. You're running for the school board. You're helping other people be people of action. Faith without works is dead. Folks we need to occupy until it returns, and that means being good citizens, being salt and light, infusing these principles into every area of the culture. Thanks so much for listening. You've been listening to WallBuilders.