Rick Green: 0:12
Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. It's WallBuilders. Thanks for joining us today. This is the place where we take on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective, and a very hot topic right now is whether or not America is going to hand over its sovereignty, with regard to both your personal sovereignty of your body and what injections you might get, or whether you wear a mask or how you respond to a pandemic and states and the nation as a whole. Who gets to make those decisions when a pandemic hits? I'm Rick Green here, with David and Tim Barton and guys. Of course, we've heard all these big alphabet soups. You know CDC, which I think stands for Center for Demented Confusion, but maybe something else World Health Organization, WHO, FDA. We hear all these alphabet suit names FDA, CDC. Those are at least American entities. The World Health Organization is an international entity. It's actually the one that Donald Trump said we're not funding anymore when COVID first hit because of the Chinese influence over it. But now the Biden administration wants to basically say to the World Health Organization hey, you call the shots for us If you think there's a pandemic and you think there's things we need to do, whether it's six feet, mask, whatever, we'll just obey whatever you have to say. And so of course there's a lot of opposition to that. Of course we would oppose something like that Frank Gaffney on a little later to talk about that. But World Health Organization deciding for us guys, what do you think?

Tim Barton: 1:32
Well, this is not a surprise coming from the Biden White House. First of all, when we look at what's happened with their promotion of ESG, the Central Bank, Digital Currency, things that he's been proposing had the investigation or the Investigation Committee back in 2021 and promoting that in 2022. He's already promoting and encouraging things that would make America just one of many nations and would not give us national sovereignty, and so this move is not surprising at all coming from the Biden administration. And again, when you go back to some of the ESG, look at the great reset. This was always part of the initiative from individuals that were part of the World Economic Forum or the World Health Organization. They want there to be a one-world order, and the Biden administration certainly seems on board with it. Now, of course, we get to talk about how crazy this is, how ridiculous it is and arguably unconstitutional. This might be in many respects, but it's not really, in my mind, surprising given what we've seen from the Biden administration since he took office.

Rick Green: 2:39
Well, for some details on this, frank Gaffney, our friend over at Center for Security Policy, has been, of course, following this closely and actually is sort of building a coalition to stand against it and attempt to stop it. So he'll explain a little bit of the ramifications of what could happen if this is adopted and whether or not we can push back as citizens and as states. So stay with us, frank Gaffney. Our special guest will be right back on Wall Building.

Tim Barton: 3:15
This is Tim Barton from WallBuilders, with another moment from American history. As the American War for Independence began, the president of Yale was the Reverend Naftali Daggett. When New Haven the home of Yale came under attack, about 100 citizens rushed out to meet the British. The Reverend Daggett galloped by them on horseback, his clerical robes flowing behind him in the wind, and he took up a solitary position atop a hill. The 2,500 British soon put the townsfolk to flight, but the Reverend Daggett continued to stand alone, firing down on the advancing troops. A British officer confronted him what are you doing there, you old fool? If I let you go, will you ever fire again on the troops of his majesty? Nothing more likely was the preacher's reply. America's early pastors personally confronted danger and courageously led their communities. For more information on Pastor Daggett and other colonial patriots, go to WallBuilders.com.

Rick Green: 4:12
Welcome back to WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us. Good friend Frank Gaffney's with us. Frank, I love you, brother. I've been learning from you for 25 years. I don't want to make both of us feel old, but I remember my first time meeting you I was going to a Canada School of Leadership Institute and learned so much and have continued to learn from you. So thank you so much for coming on and thanks for what you do at Center for Security Policy.

Frank Gaffney: 4:32
You're very kind, Rick, and I wish I could say I remembered anything from 25 years ago, but I appreciate you and all that you're doing to teach well me, among others, but a lot of Americans, about what matters for our country. So God bless you.

Rick Green: 4:47
Right back at you and, of course, on so many issues with regard to America and preserving this for our kids and grandkids, you've been out front for years and now we've got this whole World Health Organization essentially completely taken over not only our national sovereignty, but our personal sovereignty for our own bodies and our physical health decisions. This is crazy stuff we're talking about, and they talk about it like it's like it's no big deal. I mean, we have a president and members of our of our Congress that think this just makes perfect sense. It's amazing to me.

Frank Gaffney: 5:20
You know there's so many aspects of this that are simply stupefying, it's hard to know where to begin. But maybe just a word about the World Health Organization. You're right in everything you said, Rick, but things that I'm not sure everybody remembers, even though it was fairly recently, is the World Health Organization was the outfit that essentially lied to us at the outset of the COVID pandemic about the origins, the nature and the best fronts to that Wuhan virus. And then, and then, worse yet, they instituted, essentially, through their assiduous recommendations, what is called by the Chinese Communist Party the China model, for you know, putting masks on everybody and quarantining people, locking them down, imposing on them mandatory vaccinations so-called, you know, with untested, or certainly inadequately tested quote vaccines, unquote, and then, on top of it all, that whole digital vaccine passport thing to establish that you have in fact done what you've been told, and if you haven't, then you're punished in various ways. This is, as you know, Rick, essentially the China model. Yes, but it's the Chinese social credit system used as a vehicle for controlling populations. And the World Health Organization did that to us when it only had advisory power, and now they're trying to give it the power to dictate to us what we have to do, and it is. It's crazy except in the sense that it serves a purpose. It is very much part and parcel of what is being attempted by not just the Chinese Communist and not just the UN and its various subordinates like the WHO, but the World Economic Forum, Bill Gates, Big Pharma and others, who see this as a way to get what they call global governance at the expense of our Constitution, which you do so much to explain is absolutely essential to our freedoms.

Rick Green: 7:36
Well, and, frank, I have to admit, you know, when a lot of this started happening, I guess my better angels wanted me to believe that this is just desperation. People are just scared, they're just crying out. You know and I try not to give in to the boogeyman and the fact that there are truly evil people that actually do want, quite literally, world domination. They really do want a new world order and I just don't think that can be denied anymore. I think it is so obvious the things that they are doing and part of the reason I think that you know, and I'm not a avid just every day go out and defend Trump kind of person. But at the same time I mean in April of 2020, he saw this and said no more money for World Health Organization these guys are run by the Chinese and called it out and very few people were willing to back him on that, or even, you know, they thought that he was putting us in danger. But there are very and. I think that's part of the hatred of him right now, but I don't want to do a Trump program. I'm just saying, you know, this is much bigger than what we ever wanted to think it was, and we have to acknowledge that in order to take it on.

Frank Gaffney: 8:39
I think You're right, and it's getting bigger by the day. By the way, in addition to this idea that the World Health Organization, the Director General, pedro Scorbracist, who was responsible for much of that mischief that I just described, is going to have the authority to declare so-called public health emergencies of international concern and Then tell us what we have to do, is, I say in response? But the World Health Organization's Parade organization, the United Nations, evidently has in mind doing pretty much the same thing with so-called crises, whereby the UN will dictate what is a crisis and again will tell us what has to be done about.

Rick Green: 9:27
So not just health.

Frank Gaffney: 9:29
Not just help anything that they consider to be a crisis. So in both cases, whether it's public health or whether it's more general policy, we could find the kind of accountable, representative limited government that our Constitution is all about simply Thrown under the bus in favor of wholly unaccountable Governance globally by unelected International bureaucrats who will have the authority to tell us what we have to do and, and people will say, well, how will they enforce that? Well, one way they'll enforce it is if the Biden administration, which is up to its eyeballs in trying to give these international entities that sort of authority, says they're going to enforce it.

Rick Green: 10:24
Oh I. I mean, frank, come on, I watched waitresses Enforce insanity over the last three years. You know what I mean. It was like the brown shirts were everywhere, the implementation of even the, just the suggestion of the tyranny, and all the sudden you had all of these Do-gooders, I guess, that thought they were saving the world and and I felt like my goodness, I'm in 1930s Germany. I mean, this is insane how quickly people were willing to act like they were and they were self-righteous about it. You know I had stewardesses and stewards that you know were just like they thought they were gods and so, anyway, that's not necessarily. You were talking about government and you know local and state and federal government. I'm worried about even the individuals and and corporate America in forcing these things. If the World Health Organization says you're absolutely Right.

Frank Gaffney: 11:10
Yeah, it's a self-enforcement. Yes, the other piece of it, yeah, but government is the is another one actually, and and you put it together and I find myself saying, and I don't think it's an exaggeration, this may be our last hope To stave off the takedown of our country through these various Mechanisms on behalf of, well, as you say, these evil. Yeah enemies of our country and could I just put in a plug.

Rick Green: 11:43
Yeah, please.

Frank Gaffney: 11:44
Pal of Steve. Steve Dees is I am to a lesser degree. Steve's new film nefarious oh yeah, so good if people haven't already tuned into this, they've got to go see it because, among other things, it's well done on a level, I believe, but particularly Rick, to the, to the point we're talking about it, it really Enables a conversation about spiritual warfare. Yeah in which we find ourselves engage, whether we want to or not, whether we like it or not, whether we know it or not, it's happening and evil will triumph.

Rick Green: 12:21
if God doesn't you know, intervene at our Appeal to to prevent it, and we do our job, yeah good people don't recognize that it's that it's happening and, and you know, tap into the power of God to fight it. And I think that's part of the reason they've they've gained so much ground as we don't want to believe that that's happening. And so we dismiss this stuff and we excuse it and we, you know, we just keep, I guess, avoiding the fight, basically avoiding the confrontation. That is absolutely necessary and it's kind of that moral relativism thing it's been seeping into the culture since the 60s. Nobody wants to say that anybody else is actually bad. This is actually evil to carve up children, to do the things that, that that they're doing in our country right now. And so just some moral clarity would be nice at this point and absolutely necessary to really fight nice, it's vital and you know, cognitive dissonance is another term for it.

Frank Gaffney: 13:15
Well, you just don't see what you don't want to see.

Rick Green: 13:17
But it'll get you if you indulge it then, frank, what's the, what's the political step to try to stop this? I mean, I've made the argument and of course you have to that that you know this, this would, this would absolutely be a treaty. This should be have to be approved by the Senate. I don't even think there's any way to give away this kind of authority, even if the Senate wanted to, but to skip that completely and call it an accord, which Republican presidents have done too and I've disagreed with. But they just seem to be I mean Completely going around the Constitution in our, in our process, and I don't hear a lot of senators standing up and screaming about it To the contrary, rick.

Frank Gaffney: 13:53
As you may be aware, senator Ron Johnson, who was one of the best senators ever as far as I'm concerned, offered an amendment, and I think two weeks ago or so now, essentially saying that the Senate insisted that any deal coming out of this World Health Organization negotiating process had to be submitted to the Senate for its constitutional quality control, advice and consent. And I'm sure that passed 100 to zero right 49 Democrats voted against it, which was sufficient to beat the 47 Republicans who voted for it Shocking. So the Senate has said we're not going to do our job, and worse than that. If you can believe it well, I know you can, because this is why we warned about these monster bills. There is something called the National Defense Authorization Act of 2022, which was jammed through the Senate House at the end of last year. Before the Republicans came into the House of Representatives and tucked on page 950 of a 1,770-page bill was an 18-page act called the Pandemic Prevention Act, and it basically says in just about as many words any framework that the World Health Organization or World Health Assembly comes up with is pre-approved by the United States Congress.

Rick Green: 15:24
Wow.

Frank Gaffney: 15:25
So that's an existing statutory authority to say, even if the Senate wanted to take this up, it's kind of well overtaken by vets, as they say and this was passed last year. Last year, yeah, but nobody knew it was in there yeah. But this is what happens when you have a 1,700-2,000-page bill. You never know.

Rick Green: 15:46
And just for fun, I'm curious did you read the whole bill or did you make Tommy do it? I'm just curious.

Frank Gaffney: 15:50
No, I did not read it myself and I don't know any human being who has read it. Oh, it's insane.

Rick Green: 15:57
So I had no idea that it happened. I did not know that they slipped that in there. Nobody did.

Frank Gaffney: 16:02
Nobody did Not a senator, not a congressman. But my point is this that the darkness is upon us and we do need God's help and I'm so appreciative of all that you do to both shed light on these sorts of things and inspire us to appeal to the good Lord and to do what we must do in our own right to try to make these things come out better.

Rick Green: 16:28
Exactly. If the Senate's not going to do their job. So let's talk about the sovereignty coalition and what people can do to help support this, because this is essentially going to turn into a we, the people, are going to have to step up and do the job.

Frank Gaffney: 16:40
Exactly.

Rick Green: 16:40
So how are you? What is your strategy for this?

Frank Gaffney: 16:44
Well, the strategy is this We've put together what I call an outside game to try to help good guys on the inside of the government and the congress do the right thing. The outside game is the sovereignty coalition, and you can find all about it at sovereigntycollelectionorg. Right there on the homepage is what we call the American sovereignty declaration, Thank you, and it's very straightforward, very clear cut, and if you like what it says, it represents your view. Please sign it. And then there's a button you can go to that takes you to an Align Act campaign that has the name of your personal representative in the House of Representatives and your senators, and it allows you, with a click of a mouse, essentially to shoot them a note saying get us out of the World Health Organization Before it is able to impose this kind of mandatory craziness on us. And we need everybody in this audience to take action. Take actions today if you can, because we're right at the point now where we need to get these members of Congress to stand up. We have until basically the end of May to try to get this done. At that time, one of two things will happen they may vote one or more of these agreements through, in which case there will be some kind of provisional binding of our country, and without any break on it. You know, the administration isn't going to break it, the Senate isn't going to break it. They've got this statue in their pocket already that says it's done. But the other thing is that it basically gives us an opportunity, I think, to avoid somebody saying well, you didn't withdraw a year in advance, which is to say, if it's not this May, it'll be next May that they vote all that stuff through. We need to get out, and we're supposed to give them a year's notice. So for either of those reasons, we got to get right about this. And so people signing the American sovereignty declaration at sovereigntycollelectionorg today would be hugely helpful. And then let your members of Congress know that you want them to get us out of the World Health Organization please.

Rick Green: 18:58
Well, folks, if you can hear that typing in the background, that's me literally putting my name on this as well. I encourage you to do the same. Sovereigntycollelectionorg is the website and, of course, frank, I wish we had more time, but they can learn more there. You've got lots of great materials. Very important to get on the email list. I think just being aware these days is so. It's so difficult to find truth, it's so difficult to keep up with what's going on and see through the mess, and so you know folks get on there. This is one of those email lists you want to be on so you can be aware of this. And, frank, we just we got to get you back. Let's talk about it again and let's move people to action on this thing. This is as we said at the beginning. This is not just national sovereignty, this is personal sovereignty. A lot of people will say, well, hey, as long as my state does it, right, folks, your states are not protecting you right now. We've got to put this in. You know, do this right, frank? You guys keep up the and website for just the organization itself, or center for security policy if they want to get into some of them, the more general information as well, and follow you and Tommy there.

Frank Gaffney: 19:56
Sure, thank you, and thank you for all that you're doing with the Patriot Academy too, rick. It's vital work. As you know, our organization the easiest way to remember it is securefreedomorg, and with my colleague, tommy Wallace leadership, it's a really terrific resource, and we encourage people to check it out too, and that's a great URL, by the way, securefreedomorg.

Rick Green: 20:19
I know you had to really work hard to get that URL. That was smart to get that one.

Frank Gaffney: 20:22
Well, we'd like to say it's what you want and it's what we do.

Rick Green: 20:25
Hey, man, that's good, that's good. Well, if you've got it, bless you, man. Thanks so much for your time today.

Frank Gaffney: 20:29
You too, Thank you.

Rick Green: 20:31
Stay with us folks, and we'll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Tim Barton: 20:33
. Hi friends, this is Tim Barton of WallBuilders. This is a time when most Americans don't know much about American history, or even heroes of the faith, and I know oftentimes for parents we're trying to find good content for our kids to read and if you remember, back to the Bible, to the book of Hebrews, it has the Faith Hall of Fame where they outlined the leaders of faith that had gone before them. Well, this is something that, as Americans, we really want to go back and outline some of these heroes, not just of American history, but heroes of Christianity and our faith as well. I want to let you know about some biographical sketches we have available on our website. One is called the Courageous Leaders Collection and this collection includes people like Abigail Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Francis Scott Key, George Washington Carver, Susanna Wesley, even the Wright Brothers, and there's a second collection called Heroes of History. In this collection you'll read about people like Benjamin Franklin or Christopher Columbus, Daniel Boone, George Washington, Harriet Tubman, friends the list goes on and on. This is a great collection for your young person to have and read and it's a provincial view of American and Christian history. This is available at WallBuilders.com that's www.WallBuilders.com.

Rick Green: 21:40
We're back here at WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us, thanks to Frank Gaffney for joining us today as well, back with David and Tim and, of course, guys. I mean, we know it's a bad idea to handle. We've talked about this for ever, since we've had the program about not handing over our decisions to someone outside of who should have that jurisdiction. David, you've always taught jurisdictions. We have certain areas given to government, to family, to, even when it's given to government, to certain levels of government, whether it's federal, state or whatever. Here we're talking about handing over jurisdiction to an international organization that we don't choose those people on that World Health Organization, and if we think it got bad whenever it was the CDC making the calls, I can't imagine how bad it would be if it's an international organization that would love to bring America to its knees.

David Barton: 22:27
You know, I was just listening to the interview and just thinking about all the things with it, listening to what Frank said, and just I was just asking myself to question what kind of a mindset do you have to have to be willing to give away America's control over itself to a, to a world organization? And I think I've come up with a couple answers. One is, I think if you don't think that America is special and we're just one of the 193 nations in the world, then you're willing to do this. So I think you start with the fact that for many of the Democrats and for the Biden administration, we're not special. We're just one of 193. We need to join with everybody else. If we all link arms, we can be great. I reject that. I think America is special. I think that we have a different formula. Everything about us is different, our liberties are different. So I think you're coming from a mindset that doesn't think America is special, and so that's a starting place for us. The other thing is, I think a lot of it deals with your experiences. If you have grown up in an area where you've had a lot of control and you've had a lot of input over your life and you don't have a lot of your own personal freedoms or sovereignty. For example, I think the people that live in New York City would be a lot more willing to go along with World Health Organization than people who live in Amarillo, Texas, because there's a different kind of experience there.

Rick Green: 23:52
They are packed in with 20— they're used to giving up the decisions to somebody else.

David Barton: 23:57
They are used to somebody else running their lives for them and that 20 million people crammed in that little island that they've got there on Manhattan and around those five boroughs. They're used to people running their lives and they'll get it. But for people who have had freedom, for people who live in the country, for people who believe in personal sovereignty, I can live my life as long as it doesn't violate constitutional provisions or clearly established laws. It's a whole different mindset, and so I think of guys like Biden and Democrats who largely come from these urban blue areas. They largely come from a philosophy that believes that regulation is really really good, that government is inherently good, that government cannot do anything wrong, it is always right all the time. It's a whole lot easier to understand that. But again, I think this goes back to a problem we've had with our education for a while that we don't teach that America is special, that we aren't unique. The rest of the world is not lined up on the borders of WHO trying to get into WHO they are in America. I mean, the world doesn't think WHO is special, they think America is special. So I was just really kind of intrigued with that whole concept of why would they even try to do this? And the other thing goes back to something we talked about before. I hate this about Congress, and that is they know that they can't get this stuff passed in a regular bill, so they put it in the National Defense Authorization Act, the NDAA. There it is. They put that 19-page bill and then they gave away all our sovereignty. Frank's right. I don't think a single senator or congressman read that. And for people who don't know, the National Defense Authorization Act is what causes the military to exist every two years. The Constitution says the American military cannot exist more than two years at a time. You have to start from ground zero every two years, and so nobody's going to vote to wipe out the US military. So these Libs put a bunch of these wacky things in the military appropriations bill because no republicans are going to vote to wipe out the military, and that's how they get this stuff passed. So we've talked about how bad it is to have omnibus bills, but there's just a lot of stuff here that's not good, and so I'll echo what Frank said you need to call your legislators and say get us out of the World Health Organization. We can do this ourselves in America. We don't need the world telling us what to do.

Rick Green: 26:09
Yeah, and I think you're exactly right, David. I mean, if you're not proud of your nation, if you don't think your nation will make good decisions, you want to hand it over to somebody else, and that's essentially how these people think. They really are embarrassed about America's power. They've done everything they can to reduce America's power and this is just another way to do that, by handing it over to these international agencies, and we have to stop it. There's steps we can take. I sure appreciate you listening today. Folks, you've been listening to WallBuilders.