Rick Green: 0:12

Welcome to the intersection of faith in the culture. It's the WallBuilders show where we're taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. I'm Rick Green, America's constitution coach and a former Texas legislator, thrilled to be here with David and Tim Barton, two great historians, and David's America's premier historian, just a wealth of information and an entire library of material that he's put out over the years to help educate, equip and inspire us I know, I use it on a regular basis. And so many people across the nation have been blessed to be educated by David. Tim Barton, of course, a national speaker and pastor and president of WallBuilders. And if you haven't had Tim in to speak, you should book Tim in to speak. And you can learn more about all three of us at our website, WallBuilders.com And WallBuildersLive.com, this WallBuilders show is is a way to get truth out there into the marketplace, to equip people to inspire them. And we thank you for supporting and if you haven't donated lately, we encourage you to do that go to WallBuilders.com or WallBuildersLive.com Make that one time or monthly contribution that puts fuel in the tank, allows us to add stations, allows us to train more pastors, teachers, students, you know, all people that run for office legislators, all of these different folks, that when you donate, you know, it allows that to happen. It's basically your way of coming alongside us locking shields with us, and investing in freedom for future generations. All right, David, and Tim, we've got Brad Dicus, our good friend from Pacific Justice Institute with us later in the program. But first of all, let's talk about what's going to happen later this week. We're gonna do it all throughout February. So it's not just going to be later in this week. But every Monday through Friday show in the month of February, we've got a really cool series coming at you. It's called the American Heroes Series. And Tim, just to preview this for folks, this is something they can get more information on at our website. But we'll be highlighting some heroes that most people hadn't heard of, you know, maybe if they're longtime listeners, they've had a glimpse of some of them. But a lot of these are going to be names they hadn't heard of, and stories they can share with their kids, and really bring history to life.

Tim Barton: 2:07

Yeah, and some of these are stories we've never told, as you mentioned, some people, if they've been longtime listeners, they might have heard some of these stories. But but genuinely some of these people, we've never told their story to my knowledge, and what we've done a WallBuilders, and really, there's a whole slew of other stories that we're going to get into in the future. But the thought was that as we're encouraging people to go back and learn American history, we want to help introduce you to some of the heroes of American history. And so we thought, man, the month of February, this is an easy time so let's introduce you to some of the black heroes from American history that for most people, they will not have heard these names. And there might be one or two names that you've heard of along the way especially, Rick, as you mentioned, if you've been a follower of WallBuilders very long, there's a few people we have definitely talked about in the past. But as I mentioned, there's some of these people we've never talked about. And if you want to be able to follow along with us, or really, if you are a parent, and you want your kids to learn some of these heroes, if you want them to see some more to the narrative, what they're not going to hear probably from their teachers, what they're not going to hear if they're in university, they're definitely not getting this in colleges. And if you want them to be able to push back against the critical race theory narrative, or the 1619 narrative, this is a great series. So it's 20 Heroes, in about a page and a half, we just tell some of the story of why they are hero, why they are incredible, important, patriotic, etc. And then we have footnotes just like we do for everything we write. So if you want more information, you can go to the footnotes. And for most of these heroes, we will have more information on the WallBuilders website. But we are super excited to start this series on February 1. And it's something different. We haven't done this before. But I am very excited to start introducing some of these heroes of American history as we go to the month of February.

Rick Green: 3:49

It's gonna be great man. And I think you know, right in line, of course, what WallBuilders has always done- brought history to life. I will age myself here and say the first WallBuilders cassette tape that I ever had was David, you doing exactly that telling the stories of these heroes, and it made me love history for the first time not something I loved in high school or college. But that cassette tape and you know, for those of you that don't know what that is, go duck duck go it and you'll learn about the great technology that we had back in the 80s and 90s when we were listening to things like that, anyway, Alright guys, so we got Brad coming up a little later, in course, Brad's been on the front... Brad Dacres. He's been on the frontlines of religious liberty issues in the in the courtrooms but also during COVID. He really took on a lot of these, you know, overreaching government mandates not only in the public square with military fights and that sort of thing, but also in the private square, where government was colluding with business owners and enforcing this stuff. So it's gonna be fun to get an update from him on some of these cases out of Oregon and other places.

David Barton: 4:46

And probably the two groups had been most active with the scope of stuff has been Brad Degas with Pacific Justice Institute and then Matt Staver with Liberty Counsel, and these guys between them have handled thousands of cases. I think at one time, Matt told us he had 20,000 calls on COVID he was dealing with. And so what happened was Brad pretty much was Pacific. So Pacific Justice Institute, well, that's a Pacific. That's Washington and that's Oregon. And, and that's California. And if you get neighbors, you can throw in Nevada, and you can throw in Arizona. But what's happened is this has blown up so much, that they now have offices all over the United States trying to help people with this. And government has been really oppressive governments been very aggressively oppressive, and they are winning cases like crazy. Now, we've all talked, we thought that this would be in the courts fixed a couple of years ago, just like without religious liberties might be fixed earlier than it was the courts getting this stuff has just taken a while whether it be the abortion stuff, or the religious liberty stuff or, or the individual freedom stuff, the medical freedom, it's getting there. And so what Brad's got going right now, these are some really big cases that will affect every single state in the United States. It's fun stuff that he's really addressing on behalf of all of us.

Unknown: 6:00

Stay with us folks we'll take a quick break. We'll be right back with Brad Dacus from Pacific Justice Institute. You're listening to the WallBuilders Show.

Tim Barton: 6:18

This is Tim Burton from WallBuilders with another moment from American history. The second amendment to the Constitution, which guarantees to every individual the right to keep and bear arms has been targeted for years now by those who are determined to dismantle the individual rights to self protection. Opponents argue that only the militia the military and law enforcement are to have and use firearms. But those who wrote the Second Amendment strenuously disagreed, including founding father Richard Henry Lee, a signer of the Declaration, a president of the Continental Congress, and one of those who actually frame the Second Amendment, he declared to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be title like, especially when young how to use them. For more information about Richard Henry Lee, and the history of the Second Amendment, go to WallBuilders.com.

Rick Green: 7:15

Welcome back to WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us. Always great to have our friend Brad Dacus with us from Pacific Justice. Hey, Brad, great to have you, brother.

Brad Dacus: 7:21

Oh, it's great to the program. Thank you, Rick.

Rick Green: 7:23

Man, you guys are all over the place, cases all over the nation on the front lines, just thank you, thank you for all your hard work and, and for your team. Just really appreciate you and glad to have not only your voice, but your strategy and your legal mind. I mean, all those things, so enough complimenting you because I do it everywhere. But I love working with you, man. And and you've got a case right now out of Oregon. And it's an interesting, it's an interesting situation. So now we're talking about companies, private companies that are literally purging people based on their faith. How did this come about? What brought it to your attention? And tell us a little bit about the legal strategy

Brad Dacus: 7:58

Oh, you bet. You know, the fact is hundreds of behind it? thousands of people of faith have been targeted and purged from their from the workplace across the United States. Oftentimes, it was the government forcing a vaccine mandates violating the face of many workers not wanting to accommodate them in any way. Well, now we see also a lot of private employers, and we at Pacific Justice Institute have stepped in. We have offices, 27 offices in 20 states across the country. In fact, we just opened a new office in Nashville. So actually, it's 28 offices in 21 states. And we're doing this work all without charge. We're leading the nation in a fight to defend people of faith being persecuted because of their faith and the workplace. Because these are these vaccine mandates which are now very, very controversial with the new studies coming out. So here's what happened in Oregon, we had a number of private employers that were pouncing and firing people of faith without any attempt to accommodate them at all. So we're looking at Asante Health Systems, Oregon Health and Science University. Cascadia Behavioral Health in Portland, Legacy Health, Mid-Columbia Medical Center in Dallas, Kaiser Foundation hospitals, which is very problematic. We have a number of students against them for different reasons. And then the Springfield Public Schools in the Eugene area. So what we're keeping very busy and these people these employees have been let go for, you know, without any attempt to accommodate them at all. And of course, that violates Title Seven of the Civil Rights Act of 1974.

Rick Green: 9:46

Well, Brett, let's step back and look at this in the context of the whole country in the in these different areas because this sounds very similar to the military situation as well where they booted people out for, for not for exercising their faith on the on the exemption with the vax and you know now, you know, potentially that mandate is, you know it's gone. But you know those people are not getting their jobs back in some cases and certainly not getting back pay like President Trump said he would do. And so that's, that's very similar to what's happening here in the private market. And some governors have jumped on this and said not in our state, we're not gonna allow this to happen. I know DeSantis has done that Florida. I think some other governors have, have talked about it. But just this basic idea that you could accommodate the religious exemption and there are, you know, plenty of other things that can be done for these people that are saying no, and, of course, the science and the data is overwhelming now that that these people are actually, in my opinion, less of a threat than someone that gets the vaccine in terms of spreading the virus. So it just seems like the facts, the law, the data, none of that is on the side of these people that are firing, based on this. Does that make for, you know, it's a wake up call at any point as the tide turn on this, because I'm just shocked that people are still doing this, this far into the you know, the whole situation?

Brad Dacus: 11:02

Yeah, the tide is definitely turning, yeah. We have an office in Philadelphia, where we have an attorney who specializes in military law. So we're helping people in the military, we help students and colleges the Christians... private schools, public schools, every quadrant of society, and it's true religious freedom, faith, you know, like, you know, red states like Texas, and Florida and others are being very friendly, and they're passing laws protecting people from being purged because of their faith. Because of this, these bogus vaccine mandates, that, as you said, you know, the evidence now is very clear, indisputable, very clear that these vaccines, number one, do not prevent transmission. Hence, there's no justification to force someone to have a vaccine that does not prevent transmission. Number two, we now know that the vaccines and the subsequent boosters actually increased the risk of complications and medical effects and even fatalities. 58% of those dying from COVID have been people who've been vaxxed, who've been vaxxed. We also know number three, that those who have natural immunity who've had it before, they do not transmit the disease, they the... COVID. And they also have a much stronger immunity. And they don't have the same consequences. So it's... there's no justification now with the way things have turned with the different variances for anyone to be vaxxed, or to increase, you know, them with a booster and British Medical Journal points this out. So science is not on their side anymore. And so these are just a just discriminatory, hostile cultic attitudes that we see, firing people of faith in the workplace and we at Pacific Justice won't stand for it. And we would encourage anyone out there who knows of anyone who's been fired or threatened to be fired because of their refusal to take the vax, particularly because of religious convictions, moral convictions, they should not hesitate to contact us and go to our website, PJI.org. P for Pacific, J for justice, I for institute .org. We have over 120 lawsuits across the country, litigation, this is just one area of what we're covering. But we've got a lot of really hot litigation, other areas that we think can have a real big impact on defending religious freedom, parents rights, of course, the sanctity human life as well.

Rick Green: 13:29

PJI.org. Not only to keep up with this case, and in other cases across the country, or if folks need help also, for everybody else out there listening if you don't need help right now, you may need it in the future more importantly, these people that need this help, they're fighting for you and these laws, these lawsuits all of these things affect every single one of us. So make a donation today at that website as well and get on the email list and follow Brad I agree with everything you just said except one thing when you said the science is no longer on their side, I would argue was never on their side. I know that's what you meant as well it was it was the distorted like you know limited view of any studies that they allowed out that they didn't actually cancel, I mean, doctors and the best researchers and the most respected people for the last 30 years were saying what you and I are saying right now and they were silenced and it's just been a scam the whole thing in terms of the forcing this it's just embarrassing but and that's why I'm thrilled to hear you say you feel like the the tide has finally turning because you're dealing with all these cases across the country and the complaints and the people coming in and even now as you approached like let's say you get a complaint from somebody when they say our employers doing this or whoever when your guys are on your team when you approach that group or entity that is part of this cult that still forcing this stuff on. Are they softening at this point are they beginning to realize that the tide is turning and do you see a change in their what's the word I'm looking for? I guess here just there incalcitrant you know kind of digging their heels in is that starting to soften a little bit?

Brad Dacus: 14:57

Oh yes it is. It is softening and in fact one... another area we're involved in are people trying... on medical death row trying to get organ transplants and being denied. Over 90% of hospitals in America will don't require the VAX to get an organ transplant, but we have others that do. And those that do have... are ones who have contracts with Pfizer for the distribution of these vaccines. So that's why we believe it's a money deal. We're going after them. We've already won one case. So one person is getting a critically needed organ transplant to live. We have a whole list of others who are on the medical death row, we call it and yet we see these hospitals are capitulating, we're being... we're litigating hard, and that's what people want, now. We're tired of, you know, playing defense, we're on the offense. And we're seeing governor's back off, we're seeing states back off. Science is on our side, the stats, the studies, you know, even in the constitution. So we're very optimistic, we're going to make a lot of progress moving forward. In this regard, you know, on another front, real quick of crisis pregnancy... pro life clinics are now under attack in blue states. We're countering... we're defending the largest ones in California that are being attacked by the governor. So there's a lot of different battles here. The good news is with the Supreme Court that we have, because the appointments by President Donald Trump, we have the strongest playing field we've ever had. We at Pacific Justice Institute are taking advantage of that. And we do it all without charge, all of our cases. So if anyone has any issues at all that deals with religious freedom, parental rights taken on public schools, etc. what are... fighting social workers or any, you know, religion, sanctity of human life. They should not hesitate to contact us at our website, PJI.org. Now's the time to be on the offense. And there's no reason for people not to stand up for the rights when they have PJI behind them.

Rick Green: 16:51

Amen. Amen. PJI.org is the website to learn more, Brad, I have to admit I was wrong. I eat a little crow here. I was wrong in 2020. I thought for sure that by April or May man the courts would shut this nonsense down and stop it. It's amazing to me that we're three years later and just now the tide is turning is not the full you know, guys like you have been fighting this, you know, and it's just been amazing that they you know that it didn't... that you know that the cult grew so as fast as it did, and it's taking this long to break this thing down. But it would not be happening without guys like you, so I just think it's so important for listeners to understand without these legal battles, you would have these people digging in, maybe forever. I mean that because it is like a religion to them. It is cultish the way that they're acting and so it's going to take the force of legal action to stop it. Brad real quick before you go. How we can hear you on on your Brad Dacus Live show. I know you're on HisChannel. Where else can we hear you on that?

Brad Dacus: 17:47

Yeah, so they can go to HisChannel.com and go down to Brad Dacus Live or actually they just put on the, on their website search put Brad Davis Live and it should pop up and they can watch the show. It's an hour long Show Monday through Thursday. They can watch it and then they can also hear me on the radio. I have a radio show called The Dacus Reports for over 800 stations and transmitters across the nation. And we're on other programs as well but our website's a great place to go to take advantage of all our wonderful free resources that are empowering and really helped make a difference. If they want to also reserve one of our speakers, one of our attorneys to their group, they can do that on our website as well. For free it's PJI.org . We litigate for free, we speak for free I even preach for free. PJI.org

Rick Green: 18:37

love it. love it. PJI.org . Now folks, be careful when you go there, this Brad Dacus guy hangs out with his David Barton guy like they've I don't know how many events y'all did together last year, but it was a bunch all across the nation. Having a tremendous impact. Anyway, we love you brother. God bless you keep up the great work. We'll get you back on soon.

Brad Dacus: 18:54

You got it. Thank you Rick Green for all you do.

Rick Green: 18:57

You bet. That's Brad Dacus folks stay with us. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

Tim Barton: 19:10

Hey, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders. And as you've had the opportunity to listen to WallBuilders Live, you've probably heard the wealth of information about our nation, about our spiritual heritage, about the religious liberties, about all the things that makes America exceptional. And you might be thinking as incredible as this information is, I wish there was a way that I could get one of the WallBuilders guys to come to my area and share with my group, whether it be a church, whether it be a Christian school or public school, or some political event or activity. If you're interested in having a wall builder speaker come to your area you can get on our website at www.wallbuilders.com and there's a tab for scheduling. And if you'll click on that tab, you'll notice there's a list of information from speakers bios to events that are already going on. And there's a section where you can request an event to bring this information about who we are where we came from, our religious liberties and freedoms, go to the WallBuilders website and bring a speaker to your area.

David Barton: 20:09

This is David Barton with another moment from America's history. Today there are numerous documented accounts of individual students being disciplined simply for bringing a Bible to school. Fisher Ames would have been appalled at this open hostility toward the Bible. Fisher Ames was the founding father who authored the House of Representatives language for the First Amendment. In his day, he vehemently objected to any attempt to minimize the Bible at schools. In fact, he declared, why should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book, its morals are pure. It's examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the sacred book that is thus early, impressed last long, and probably, if not impressed, in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind. Founding Father Fisher Ames, the man most responsible for the wording of the First Amendment, believe that the most important school book was the Bible.

David Grothe: 21:00

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Rick Green: 21:11

Welcome back to the WallBuilders Show. Thanks for staying with us, Brad Dacus, such a great friend of the program. And of course, David, you guys were on the road all over the country last year doing a lot of events, getting pastors and churches involved. And so it's more than just fighting in the courtroom. It's educating the American people on these issues, which is why it was great to have him on the program

David Barton: 21:29

Yeah, there's a lot of education that goes today. forward, but once you get that education... and part of is that you've got certain rights. And once you learn what those rights are, you can defend them. There's a great quote from John Jay, the original Chief Justice, that talks about how that you need to know the Constitution, but you read the Constitution, you study the Constitution, then you know the Constitution. And once you do that, you can defend and assert your rights. So the more you know, the more you can defend. And then the more you know, the more you become offensive and go on the offensive, you assert your rights. And that really is what Brad is doing. He's asserting these rights, we're starting to learn our rights, people are starting to want those rights defended. And Brad has been on the offensive and going after this trying to assert the rights that we have. And this, this really is just pretty unbelievable the way this has happened. You know, you guys talked about even in the program, Rick. But generally when wrongdoing happens, you have to have restitution. And now we're getting court saying no, it's wrong for the government terminate these military guys or these medical workers or whoever or private businesses, but they're not getting restitution. I mean, as you mentioned, Trump was going to give all these guys in the military give them their jobs back and get their back pay and, and get them a honorable discharge. That needs to happen as well. And I know that's coming because Matt and and Brad are both working on that. But these guys are having a lot of victories right now. And that's very encouraging for the rest of us.

Tim Barton: 22:52

Well, and guys too, one of the things I think is worth noting, I mean, Rick, you mentioned on the program is that, you know, the science was never on the side of where the federal government or so many governors went, there's actually an article that I'm going to cover on good news Friday, and I have it on top of my stack, I'm already excited about this, where we are, we're seeing some of the tide turn, actually Project Veritas, I think, just as last week, where they had that executive from Pfizer, who is saying that, you know, their plan was they might be able to mutate and help this, this kind of COVID evolve, so they can make more variants is kind of the underlying tone. And, you know, who knows what will happen with Pfizer or not, but the point is, we're learning there's way more to the story than what people knew. And so as information is coming out, it's helping people to be able to make better decisions. And, you know, as Brad mentioned, even being offensive minded when you know what's true, it's easier to stand up with boldness and courage and push back. And now that the science is starting to come out, and people are beginning to learn the truth, we're seeing a lot more confidence from some of the state legislators from some of these judges pushing back in the right direction.

David Barton: 24:00

And you know, one of the things that's causing this to change is people are becoming offensive minded, they keep pushing keep being aggressive. They're not sitting back and just saying, Well, if that's the way it is, that's where it's gonna be, they're willing to get out and push and stand up for what's right. And I think that's... This is a culture that has been trying to silence a lot of things for a long time. And they've used a lot of intimidation, a lot of threats, a lot of government a lot of other ways to make us fearful. And at some point, we've got to start standing for our rights, you know, go back that John Jay quote I mentioned you have to defend and assert your rights. So this is the time where that we really need to push back. And if you've still got a company that's doing mandates, I mean, push back because there's now so much science on the other side, if they've got mandates going at this point in time, just because they want, they probably pretty much want to be oppressed having control what you've got, because it's not for the science. They're definitely not following the science at this point. So being offensive minded and by the way, I'll point out not just in this, this is the same with school boards. It's the same With City Council's it's the same with state legislatures its... this is the time to start being aggressive because we're starting to see the tide turning COVID We're starting to see the tide turn in the LGBTQIA+ area and transgender stuff that's starting to move back in the... in our direction, which is very helpful.

Tim Barton: 25:17

Yeah, and as we've seen over the last couple of years, people are now generally speaking, more frustrated than ever. Well, this is a great time to start pushing back, because there's a lot of people who want to push back and so many of them, they're looking for a leader, they're looking for somebody to rally with somebody to follow. And you might be that leader that helps bring the inspiration to those around you. That actually helps fix things for so many others. If you're at a workplace and you know, something is wrong is going on and you stand up, you can save everybody else there because you did the right thing. And data as you're mentioning, we're seeing people going offense in the midst of people's frustration. This is a great time to stand up because people are ready to do something. They're ready to push back. Sometimes they just need a leader. You can be that leader.

Rick Green: 26:03

Yeah, it's great to have all these guys. You know, Brad, of course from Pacific Justice Matt Staver, Liberty Counsel Kelly at First Liberty, Keller Shackleford. I mean, there's so many you know, it's it's, uh, it's comforting, honestly, to know that we've got a lot of these legal beagles a lot of these legal warriors that share our values that have good biblical perspective, and constitutional perspective, which is, of course, what we're looking for. And we always encourage people to donate to them, you know, go to their website, get on their email, get plugged into what they're doing. Because even though you may not be in one of those particular battles yourself, right now, you want to support these organizations, because you want them to be fighting these battles, they still affect you. All of these types of cases are something that, you know, they're no longer just for that person in the case. I mean, it's amazing how much we've allowed this creeping of government control and overreach... outside of their jurisdiction and literally ruining people's lives and in this case, in healthcare, and costing them their jobs. And so it affects all of us and these organizations are great at fighting these battles. And we really appreciate Brad Dacus taking time to share with us these particular battles that he's engaged in and encourage you once again, to visit his website today and help those guys out PJI.org and get on the email list to make that donation. And also do the same thing for WallBuilders Be sure and visit WallBuilders.com today, and make sure you're on our email list and making those donations it's it's a way to help us amplify this voice and get this truth out there. Thanks so much for listening to the WallBuilders show.