Rick Green
Welcome to WallBuilders. I'm Rick Green, America's Constitution Coach. Here with David and Tim Barton, we're taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. All right, David and Tim, we've got Barry Loudermilk back, our friend from Georgia that's in the US Congress and actually chairing this committee. Of course we've talked to him about this very, very important role. Looking into January 6th, looking specifically into the January 6th committee, that was really a show trial, uh, but really with a genuine heart, trying to figure out what really happened. And uh, why was this? Uh, you know, why was this not stopped? As, as you've said before, David, uh, all the tours that that we've all done at the Capitol and all the security we always see, it was shocking to us that there wasn't better preparation and, of course, the National Guard and Barry's committee has discovered why, with a bunch of whistleblowers testifying.
David Barton
Yeah, and we were with Barry on the very day that he had just uncovered what he's going to talk to us about. Obviously, we haven't heard the interview yet Barry's going to be on in a few minutes but I know generally what the topic is. So I was thinking about it and thinking about the fact that what we've got here is the Democrats really don't like the optics of being made to look bad. If there's something that comes out that would make them look bad, even if it's constitutionally protected, even if it's a guarantee under the Bill of Rights, we don't like it. So we're going to shut it down because the optics are all bad. And I was thinking about that and thought well, you know the book we just finished, the American Story 2, we deal with Andrew Jackson there, who's the first Democrat president. He starts the Democrat Party and he so did not like people criticizing him or making him look bad that he literally gave the post office the right to hold back any mail that was delivered. That would be contrary to what they believed. So I mean literally he's saying it's okay for the post office to censor stuff. It's really important to have optics that people support what we want to do and the position we have, personal labor, et cetera.
And then you get past that and I'm writing right now about World War I, and so I've learned a lot of things about World War I, but what really stood out was in every war, you're going to have people who don't like war. Jeanette Brankin was the female congressman in Congress at World War I and she voted against World War I. She said I would not want my son being killed and I'm not going to vote for war ever. As a mother, I will not vote for war, and there are always people who don't want war of any kind Quakers or whoever else. And so Woodrow Wilson made it a crime, made it sedition, made it jailable to criticize what the government was doing in World War I, because they didn't want bad optics. They didn't want people making claims that would make them look bad as leader. And then you find that in World War II, Franklin Roosevelt did the same thing. If you criticize the war actions, that was sedition and so that was punishable.
And then you get to Biden and we got the same thing going with Biden in the 2020 election things that would make the Democrats look bad. And what happened with J6, even though the Speaker of the House is Pelosi and they're in charge of what happened. You know, if something's going to make it look bad, we're going to kind of hide that and not bring that out in the committee report. And there's just a real pattern here that has stuck out to me in just recent weeks about how the Democrats are willing to violate constitutional standards in order to make sure that they have the right optics, that things look good for them and what they're trying to do. And so when Barry was talking to us about this, when we were talking at the Capitol, you know that kind of stood out again. They just they're really concerned about optics more than constitution, and that's just not a good position for America to be in with the leaders. Well, guys, I don't want to do that.
Tim Barton
Not only is the Biden administration working to silence opposition, silence Americans, which there's so many stories we get into of what's happened, obviously we know with social media and we know of what search engines and Google, all these different platforms they've done a lot, partnering with the Biden administration, working to silence people, but not just stopping the voices, literally where they didn't want to release any footage right, how many tens of thousands of hours from January 6th specifically, that we've talked about and they didn't want to release footage. And then, when footage started being released, you realize wait a second, that's not quite what we thought was what we had heard. The narrative was different and we've always been of the opinion, we've always taken the position, that the truth is what matters. You should pursue truth and if the truth is something really bad and evil happened, then you should say that's really bad and evil. If the truth is that it's not as bad and evil as it's being made to be or like the truth is. Like George Washington, really great guy, historically amazing figure, the role he played you ought to just tell the truth what was going on, what happened, the good, the bad, the ugly, unapologetically. Pursue what the truth is and when you have one side that is not releasing video footage and then they're selectively editing footage and then they're saying that so-and-so told something and they bring somebody in and they're not even letting that person testify to what they said. That person said and what they saw and it's so convoluted you can tell they're trying to manipulate and shape the narrative to add to your point, to make them look better. They don't want a narrative that's honest or truthful if it makes them look bad, and this is not the position anybody should have. The position should be what's true and that's what we should pursue and fortunately, dad, as you mentioned our friend Barry Loudermilk, congressman from Georgia. He is one of the guys who says let's just pursue the truth. If the truth is, trump did some really bad things leading up to January 6th and that's why that happened, then let's say that's what happened. If the truth is, it wasn't Trump's fault. There was something else at play, maybe something really sinister, maybe something that was not sinister, very benign, it wasn't a bad thing. You shouldn't say that, but just tell the truth. It's so refreshing that there's finally somebody there to tell the truth and dad, as you mentioned, we got to talk with him for a little bit and he told us some interesting things that he had just found out in committee, and I don't know what all he's going to say in the interview, but I'm very excited for more of this information to become public so that people can become aware of what did and didn't happen. Well, what is the good, the bad and the ugly of the story and the narrative? Because, frankly, it's not the narrative that we've heard promoted for the last several years.
Rick Green
Barry Loudermilk, our special guest. Stay with us. We'll be right back on The WallBuilder Show
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Rick Green
Welcome back to WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us. Always good to have Congressman Barry Loudermilk back with us. Congressman, thank you for some time, man. I know you're running like crazy in DC.
Barry Loudermilk
Oh any time for you, Rick.
You know that's the case. You know we will just bring the government to a halt so I can get a few minutes.
Rick Green
Well, talking about bringing the government to a halt. Man, you're uncovering all kinds of stuff with this committee. You've got on investigating January 6th and investigating the committee and the previous committee and all the things that happened. And I know you've been burning the midnight oil. I cannot imagine just the breadth of all of the material and the video and all the stuff that you're having to cover, let alone, man, it's got to get you down sometimes, but you always stay optimistic. I don't know how you do it, but thank you for digging deep. We've said it many times when we've had you on to talk about this stuff having somebody we know is a man of integrity that will literally, just as you told the speaker, go wherever the facts go and bring out the truth, no matter who it helps or hurts, has given us even a little bit of peace just in knowing somebody like you is at the helm of looking into this. So all of that to say thank you for what you're doing and thank you for taking a few minutes to update us on what's been going on. So, wherever you want to go with this man. I know you've got a lot you could cover in a lot of different areas of this. What do you think our listeners maybe haven't heard a lot about in the media, as you've been reporting it, but obviously major media is not going to cover it. What do you think would be the most important points for us to cover today?
Barry Loudermilk
Well, that's difficult because there are just so many avenues that we're going down. And you know, you and I think we're together right after we issued our interim report, which really opened the door for a lot of informants and whistleblowers because we knew there was a lot more out there. And that interim report pretty much showed that what we were doing was an unbiased approach to get to the truth and many felt confident that that's what we were doing. And just a couple of weeks ago we had a hearing that in fact some on the House Armed Services Committee claimed that it was probably the hearing of the year. But it didn't get a lot of coverage because it was the same day that the Senate was dealing with the Mauricus impeachment and we had a potential motion to vacate. Over here we're trying to get some foreign aid bills to the floor. There was a lot of heavy-hitting news that day. So we did get some coverage but didn't really hit the mainstream coverage. But this was specifically looking at a three hour and 19 minute delay on January 6th after the request for the national guard was received by capital. Capital police finally got around to officially asking for the national guard. And if you go back to other interviews we've had here. Uh, there was a significant delay here at the Capitol of even getting the request done because, you know, as you know, there's a separation of powers and so the executive branch just can't send the National Guard over, it has to be requested. So we believe that delay was caused by Nancy Pelosi not liking the optics of having the National Guard. But finally, when there were shots fired at the Capitol, she approved the request to go to the National Guard to be deployed. Now, unlike our states of Texas and Georgia. You know we had the violence in 2020. Our governor just called out the National Guard to go help handle the riots. That's what they do. The chain of command is a little different in DC because we do have DC National Guard, but they report up through the Pentagon to the Secretary of Defense. On January 3rd, President Trump ordered the National Guard to be ready to deploy to the Capitol on January 6th to help with his intelligence to say there could be some violent riots.
Once the Pentagon received the request and the Secretary of Defense gave the order to the Secretary of the Army to deploy the National Guard, it took three hours and 19 minutes before they were sent. That's what we were looking at. That was the background. What was the source of the delay? Now, the Pentagon official report on that was that the National Guard was not, just they weren't ready and it took them that long to get ready. These four whistleblowers were part of the command staff. I mean, we had colonel, we had a general, we had a command master sergeant and we had the aide-de-camp to the uh, the commander of the DC national guard. They were there in the room they're in the room.
Rick Green
I mean they're observing the decision making
Barry Loudermilk
Right! And their testimony was they were ready with their riot gear in the buses, waiting that entire three hours. What we found out through all this was it was an intentional delay. Now this is for their testimony. It was an intentional delay by some of the generals in the Pentagon because they didn't like the optics of the National Guard showing up while the violence was going on. And one of them even testified that what they were told was they wanted the National Guard to come after the violence was over with.
But the purpose of having the National Guard I mean their motto is the defenders of DC. I mean they are the defenders of the Capitol, their job is to do that and they wanted to wait until the violence was over to send them. So that was kind of the crux of what was going on. Now we have this pentagon official report, which now we've drawn into question. Why is this telling a different story than these? These four whistleblowers and there were actually more that came to testify to us. These four were willing to go public that under oath, they testified that it was a purposeful delay by the Pentagon because they didn't like the optics.
Rick Green
And this is a so backing up, like you said. You know Trump asked for them to be ready on the third, so three days before the Intel's, you know, got some concerns in it and so they're like, hey, well, let's be ready for this massive crowd and if there's troublemakers, we want to be able to repel them. And then, you know, Pelosi doesn't ask for it until after shots are fired, and then after she asks, it's three, three and a half hours before they deploy, and the whole reason, uh, bad optics. So who? Who takes responsibility for that? Like, where do we lay that? Whose feet do we lay that at?
Barry Loudermilk
Well, it's going to result in additional investigation on our part. We do know that the chain of command was the Secretary of Defense. The Secretary of Defense gave the order. The Secretary of the Army is the one who is to carry that out.
When the Secretary of Defense called the Secretary of the Army and said deploy the National Guard, I think they actually were in the same room because they were having a conference call with the Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police at that time. But he turned to the Secretary of the Army and said get the National Guard over there. The Secretary of the Army instead of picking up the phone and calling the commanding general of the National Guard over there, who was sitting ready waiting for the orders to go, he left and went and attended a press conference at the Metropolitan Police Department the DC police and said he was going over there to work on an op plan. The problem is they weren't being deployed there. They were being deployed to the US Capitol and the op plan is pretty simple; get on the bus, drive to the US Capitol, get sworn in by the Capitol Police and take your orders from there.
Rick Green
Yeah.
Barry Loudermilk
But there was that delay. He did a press conference. He continued supposedly working on a plan. You know, everybody is calling. Even the vice president is calling, saying where is the national guard? Where are they? And so finally, from one of their testimonies was they were all sitting in the room, they had a video conference, waiting for somebody to tell them something to do. When another general walks by and says what are you guys doing? You're all supposed to be on your way to the capitol he goes we're waiting on the order. He said you got it, Go, go, go go.
So apparently they once the secretary of the army decided, yeah, he was going to go ahead and send them. Nobody told them. So it's a combination of bad decision-making, politics is playing a huge role in this and it sounds like some incompetence as well. So we're going to have to take another step. We know that there were two generals in the Pentagon that had expressed concern with the optics. We know the Secretary of the Army delayed actually passing the order along and we are finding some evidence that some of this may tie to General Milley as well.
Rick Green
Wow man I saw I'm trying to remember who it was now on your committee. Congressman from North Carolina, I think, Murphy said you know this is a dereliction of duty by the Secretary of the Army and you know it just. And it's important for people to know this Right, because they they act like you know so much of the the quote, let's word optics has been. You know this is all Trump's fault. He didn't call, he didn't ask for help, he didn't do anything, he didn't tweet until a certain time, blah, blah, blah. And what I'm hearing is, in terms of chain of command, it was really out of his decision-making. This was strictly Pelosi had to be the one to ask for it and once she finally asked for it, then there's a delay over at the Pentagon, and so this was a brass issue at the Pentagon. In terms of the delay, there really wasn't anything Trump could have done at that point.
Barry Loudermilk
No, in fact, it was asked by one of the whistleblowers in the hearing was because the Democrats on the committee were trying to make the point that Trump never picked up the phone and called. Well, he didn't have to. He had already delegated that authority to the Secretary of Defense. And they said, well, when they weren't there, why didn't the president pick up the phone and call the Secretary of the Army and say why haven't you sent them? And one of the whistleblowers said well, because the Secretary of Army wouldn't have taken his call. Wow, there was that much animosity between him and President Trump and they. You know it was politics.
Apparently the secretary of the army was looking to get a job in the Biden administration. So he's weighing that as well. That was one of the things that was testified to. Weighing that as well, that was one of the things that was testified to, and so, um, it really boils down. I mean, in reality and as a constitutional expert you know this Rick that we have separate branches of government and the executive branch is not even welcome to the to come to the capitol unless they're invited because of the separation of powers, the president cannot send the military to the Capitol without Congress requesting it, because then you could have a takeover of the people's house, right. So the National Guard's ready to deploy.
They know that there's the potential for violence. They had actually called everyone in, everyone was already there, ready to go, and in fact also on January 3rd and the Secretary of Defense, Miller, had testified to this and we also uncovered transcribed interviews that the Select Committee on January 6th just for some reason didn't make public, where the president told the Secretary of Defense get 10, 000 troops ready. I mean, that's how serious they were about it. We've also, uh, uncovered more information that we're, uh, we're investigating right now. Is that the secret service had recommended that Pelosi put up non-scalable security fences around the capitol prior to January 6th. But she didn't like the optics, robin, so she didn't do it. But right after the violence and right after they cleared the Capitol, she made the statement that she wanted those fences up then with razor wire on the top so the world could see what Donald Trump just did. So she liked those optics.
Rick Green
Uh-huh.
Barry Loudermilk
Yep. She liked the politics of going after Donald Trump, but she didn't like the optics when it came to the safety and security of people in the Capitol.
Rick Green
Yep exactly, exactly, congressman, love you and your family, man, God bless you. Guys, I know you're, you're in the belly of the beast and on the front lines, and so just know that we're sending our prayers your way and pray for joy and in the fight and fight, and the ability to just be steadfast man. And thank you, thank you, thank you for your service.
Barry Loudermilk
Well, thank you. Rick, your accolades mean a lot to me and to the staff and the team over here that's doing the work and we appreciate all that you're doing.
Rick Green
Well, y'all, keep it up and we'll get you back in a few weeks and get an update, and just let us know anytime something happens that we need to get out, because we know the major media is not going to cover what you're doing. They had their show trial already and they don't want that narrative to change. So thank you for seeking the truth and we'll do everything we can to help you get it out. All right, we sure appreciate you. Thanks.
Barry Loudermilk
Appreciate it.
Rick Green
That's Congressman Barry Loudermilk. Appreciate you, thanks. That's congressman Barry Loudermilk Stay with us, we'll be right back with David and Tim Barton
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Rick Green
Welcome back to The WallBuilders Show Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Barry Loudermilk for joining us, and David and Tim. We always heap a lot of praise on Barry and people are probably thinking well, it's like a mutual admiration society, but it's well-deserved and it's hard to find that in Washington DC. So we really do appreciate him taking on this gig.
David Barton
Yeah, it's really important. But you know, just listening to what he just covered, there are some things that really disturb me here. And one is basic constitutional principles. You know, we talk about basic things like separation of powers. You absolutely have to have that it's Congress that makes the law, it's not agencies that make law. The executive doesn't. But the other one that really is unequivocal is the fact that you have absolute, 100 percent civilian control of the military. The military is under civilian control.
This is why the founding fathers in the Constitution specifically banned any type of what they called a standing military, because it's always the lesson in history that eventually the military guys think they know better than the political guys. And so we're going to do what we're going to do. And this really was disturbing when we found out that chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Milley, had called China after the election and said hey, China, I'm calling you for America. We have an election between Biden and Trump. I'm just telling you things are going to be OK.
All this turmoil over here, what's, what's the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff doing initiating calls to to an enemy to let them know things are. That's not his role. And so when you have, when you specifically have Pelosi and the civil leaders, telling the military, send the guys up, send the guard up here now, send the National Guard right now, and they say, well, we just don't think the optics look good. This is such a huge, huge, huge constitutional violation. This is why the founding fathers did not want standing armies, because they start thinking they're smarter than civilians and that's a problem.
Tim Barton
Well, and let's also remember that Pelosi didn't call for it until it had been going on for a while. Right, it wasn't until there was a gunshot. And now it's an issue, and she's the one who said we don't need to have any kind of border up here, we don't need any kind of protection up here, which, if you go back to the suggestions of what Trump, of what the intelligence community had suspected might happen had she put up a fence I mean, obviously we don't know, but it's interesting to think about. Had there been a fence up around the Capitol building, it's very possible that people don't break the perimeter of the fence to get to the Capitol, right, and if they do start attacking that fence, then you call for the guard and they have time to get there, time to respond, and they can get there quickly, not just sitting on a bus for three hours in their riot gear not being deployed, right, but they can get there before you breach the perimeter of the Capitol. When we look back right and we talk about the officers that were injured and we talk about, right, the female veteran who ended up being killed, in that situation as well, there didn't have to be any kind of loss of life. There didn't have to be any kind of these injuries along the way, had some of the basic precautions been taken by Nancy Pelosi and other leaders based on the intelligence they got.
But then to go further once. Finally, the guard is called in and you have generals in charge who seemingly are just having them stand down for hours because they wanted to have a photo op or something of such nature at some other location. It is utterly ridiculous. But you see the political motivation behind it, because we want it to look really bad for Trump and then we're going to have to come in and rescue and save, because then for the next two years Nancy Pelosi has a gate up around the Capitol right has this perimeter won't allow the American people in because the American people are too dangerous. I mean, you see this narrative unfold and to find out that there was information, that there were steps easily that could have been taken, that they turned down and then they didn't even want help for several hours because it didn't help fit their narrative. It's absolutely despicable what happened.
David Barton
Yeah, and Tim to add to it. As Barry said, it was three hours and 19 minutes after the command came down from the civilian leadership. Three hours and 19 minutes, the military said wait a minute, I got to go do a press conference, and so the head of the army runs off and does this press conference. And I mean just everything. And, by the way, the whistleblower pointed out that some of those leaders were wanting a position in the Biden administration. So they're doing what they're doing, not following civilian orders, but they're doing what they're doing because they want to be political someday. This is absolutely wrong. But I'm going to go back to something else. This is absolutely one of the reasons why I now think education and schools this is one of the biggest problems we have in America is schools are not teaching civilian control of military and separation powers. It has to change.
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