Rick Green
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Tim Barton
Well, yeah, definitely. I mean parents, you know, kind of heads up on this. You need to know this is a reality your kids are dealing with whether they are watching shows, on YouTube whether they are going to public school. Not even if you homeschool them right, you might have them in such a bubble that they're not aware of this, but I would venture to say most kids have far more knowledge and understanding than most parents are aware of. That's just a reality and this is something that's certainly becoming a cultural phenomenon. So part of the conversation today is going to be looking at what has happened in a state dealing with some of the ridiculous takeover in public education and public schools, of what's happening in some of these classrooms, with now that kids can identify any way they want, now that kids can identify any way they want, and as we have this conversation, we don't want to inform people of sinful, wicked, evil things, and so we don't want this to be an informative show at all. And so, again, just kind of a caveat If you have six, seven, eight-year-olds maybe, just think about this filter or whatever you need to do. But this is a reality of what's happening in schools. I mean you can look at things like, if you're not familiar with the libs of TikTok, that's something that's now all over social media platforms, where it's just somebody that started following a bunch of really liberal crazy people and just started posting in one location videos so you can come and see what are teachers from public schools saying, what are they doing, what's actually happening? Because most parents are not aware of the craziness that is happening. Because even in rural schools right, these country schools, where it's just a bunch of good people that are there yeah, generally that's probably true, but there might be one or two or three of the 20 or 30 or 40 teachers that are crazy and parents have no idea that there's a crazy teacher there, and oftentimes it's, it's through, maybe, some kind of social media exposure where, again, not not like a candid camera, right, not a James O'Keefe scenario where you have an undercover person doing an investigation no, it's, it's literally, these people are posting on the social media and parents just didn't know. And so this is part of the issue that we're just going to highlight some of what's happening in public schools. In case parents need yet another reason why maybe they should consider is public school the best option for your kid? I would argue it's probably not, but it's definitely something that, if you're not aware of this, you need to be aware of this as a parent, as a grandparent or even just as a normal human being and citizen, understand some of what the battle is in culture for the soul, for the minds of the rising generation and what's happening all over social media. Kids are seeing it, they're exposed to it, they're aware of it.
This is just a reality of what we're having a battle today,
David Barton
and we've already seen going to schools where the parents aren't in charge and really the adults aren't in charge. So, when it comes to pronouns, you pick your pronoun and we'll make everybody in school say what you want them to say. We'll make all the teachers say it, we'll make all your peers say it. If you choose a pronoun, we'll make everyone conform to what you want. We see the same thing with gender in bathrooms. If you choose a bathroom, you choose any bathroom you want and no matter how uncomfortable everybody else is, we'll make them conform to what you want. And so we're taking and wrapping the entire school around, sometimes just a handful of people and their philosophy, and rather than accommodating in any way, we force and we coerce. And so what's happened with furries? There is a movement that started where the students are coming to school and they dress up as if they are animals, whether it be dogs or cats or whatever, and they conduct themselves that way. They don't talk in English, they bark or they meow or whatever to their teachers. Their teachers say, hey, when did the War of 1812 occur? And they get a bark. It's like they're running the asylum. It's crazy. The adults aren't in charge anymore. And what they've seen in Utah, now these kids are acting out as if they are animals, so they're starting to attack other students because it's a cat attacking you and scratching you and clawing you, or it's a dog attacking you and biting you. If they're furries and if they're dressed up like an animal, they're letting them get away with all sorts of crazy stuff, and so that may work in some progressive areas, but it doesn't work everywhere.
We saw that when this was attempted in Oklahoma. Ryan Walters, the superintendent of education there, said ain't, no way, this is not going to happen. And then what really caught our attention was the head of the criminal justice committee in Oklahoma said well, if these kids want to be animals, let's just treat them that way, and so if they're going to do this at school, let's call animal control to come pick them up and take them to the animal shelter, and if they need to be spayed or neutered, we can do that too. So it was like whoa, this is really a common sense approach from a guy in the country. So we have Justin Humphreys, representative of Oklahoma, who has taken a very common sense approach to this. But this is a big issue growing in a lot of states. Unfortunately, it may be coming to a school near you, but this is a good way to handle it. It's Justin's approach to this.
Rick Green
Justin Humphreys, our special guest when we return. Stay with us. You're listening to the WallBuilders Show.
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Rick Green
Welcome back to Wall Builders. Thanks for staying with us. Representative Justin Humphrey, from Oklahoma, is with us. Representative, thanks for your time today.
Justin Humphrey
Man, I am very happy to get to join you.
Rick Green
Well, I can't believe we're having this conversation. I never thought furries would exist in schools. But man the crazy just continues, which of course happens when we reject God and go off the rails as a culture. Anything goes, but you guys already dealt with a lot of this stuff in Oklahoma. Now Utah's having to deal with this and you've got kids having to walk out of class to protest.
Justin Humphrey
Oh, yeah, it's insane. It's insane that again you've got an entire school talking about students walking out and that they're being scratch-bitten. All of these kind of things is my understanding out there. I've got those kind of reports here and that's why we ran that bill. People thought I'd lost my mind, but it's, it's I. I told them, if you have to have your mind before, you can lose it you know, I'm pretty safe, uh, but it is a real problem and it's real problem across the United States. And again, you know, uh, religiously, if you want to. In my opinion, if you want to see where this is going back to, uh, you know, and I'm a law enforcement person, and so in law enforcement you have things that you call precursors, things that set up, you use to cook drugs and things like it do all kinds, and this is just a precursor to bestiality. This is a precursor that sets people up to accept norms and immoral things. In my opinion, that's what the furry is all about.
Rick Green
Yeah, yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, and of course we said years ago, you know, as you start changing the definitions of marriage, of gender, of all these things, then you open the door to just complete chaos. And I've even seen I don't know if you've seen this I've seen some of these schools actually feed this by by, you know, putting kitty litter in the bathrooms.
Justin Humphrey
Uh, just just that's what, in fact, what, finally, I had heard this. So we had one incident where kid uh came in and, as a cat, and they had a litter box, my understanding classroom and again this was what was reported to me. Uh, these kids were, I think, third grade level, fourth grade level, maybe up somewhere around there. Uh and uh, one of the kids dressed as cat and the uh girl sitting behind the cat was like you know, teachers, teachers, I want to move because this is too disruptive. And they got on the girl that's wanting to move, and so that goes on two or three days and finally the girl comes in and says you have to move me because I'm allergic to cats, and they were going to suspend that girl. You know, and it's insane that we've got, I'm like man, give her a reward that's genius you know, I've heard that and I'd heard about all these others and getting reports on a couple of schools close to us about the bitings and scratching and so, uh, you know I just didn't hardly believe it. You know it's hard that this is really happening in our schools. I'm from a rural area where it's not as much. Come find out, there are cases down there. But what happened was I've got a really good friend, grew up with him, we went grade school, high school together. His grandson is a couple of counties over going to school at a really pretty nice school, and the granddad, who I'm good friends with, come and told me, uh, uh, that they had a female that was dressed as a cat, crawling on all fours collar, and that her boyfriend was leading her down the hall with the collar and her crawling in the hall as a cat. And my, my good friend's grandson and his good friend decided that they would be dogs that day and that they started barking at the cat. Well, the school was going to suspend the dogs and I'm like, hey, I'm a dog man all day long, we can't have that. So I ran the bill and again, it's gotten nationwide, it's gotten worldwide attention. And what was funny was I said well, we're not gonna allow furries come school and, uh, you need to call their parents and if parents won't come and get them, then call animal control. We put that in a bill and I guess the little people, everybody got a little buzzed up on calling animal control, but I thought he's quite funny myself I, I mean you.
Rick Green
You gotta return a little crazy with the crazy for the crazy right absolutely I fight crazy with crazy and I come uh loaded.
Justin Humphrey
You know what I'm saying. I got two barrels of crazy for uh. In fact, when CNN called me, I said, uh, they were like jj. Did you have to to say animal control? I said, well, I was gonna say neutered and vaccinated, but I thought that's pretty far you know it's.
Rick Green
We have to laugh to, not cry. It's so sad. What's happening
Justin Humphrey
If you do understand, if you'd ever said I'm gonna stand on the floor of the Oklahoma house representatives and argue whether man's a man or what bathroom. Hey, I got up and said let me tell y'all something. If y'all from the country, you wouldn't have to have this conversation, because if y'all was from the country, you know you can't milk a bull and you can't get an egg from a rooster we wouldn't have to have this conversation, you know exactly right and amazing that you even have to have those types of conversations on the, you know, on the Oklahoma house floor, and it's going on.
It is not just oklahoma, in fact I'd say we're better off than some you know yeah, I, you know it, it is, and and you mentioned this, but it's it's the same with the you know guys in in girls sports and guys in the in the girls locker room and the girl that complains and says I don't want a man in here when I'm changing or showering, she's the one that gets in trouble. Just like you were saying, if the kid complains about the furry, the kid that's sane and complaining is the one that gets in trouble, which means the adults are compromised here. They are not thinking.
Well, I just passed a bill that males have to go to male prisons, female have to go to female prisons. Now I understand, if I ever get arrested and thrown in prison, I'm gonna regret that I passed that. But uh, you know what I'm saying. I'll be the first one. I'm thinking about a Humphry exemption in that, you know. Uh, so, uh, you know. But here here's the thing. I mean, who wouldn't want to go to a female prison as a male? But I mean, can we not see the insanity of that.
Rick Green
Yes.
Justin Humphrey
And again, you would think that you know we shot the Pope by asking for such a thing. But you know, here's the deal. We've got the good people have got to stand up. What's happened in our society. People are scared to fade the heat. People are scared to face the woke. People are scared to. You know I mean, hey, I get threatened. I've been threatened with being arrested for stuff I'm standing up on. I had two bomb threats, not just two weeks ago name my wife and all that. So you know you can understand why people are scared. But if we don't stick together and we don't get back to our Christian values and our moral but I do believe the majority of America are really closer to us than with the woke. I think you see that in the polls to us than uh with the woke. I think you see that that's right.
I think you, uh, I think we've allowed the media to convince us that there are more crazies than than sane people out here, and so
Rick Green
yeah, and I, well, well, and they did it by redefining all these words and even even redefining, you know, quote-unquote tolerance and turning that into tolerating insanity and evil and celebrating it and and all of those things. And now you got these kids that are, you know, you're going through the adolescence and all the craziness that already just naturally exists, and if you've been rejected or are now, you know, for whatever reason, unpopular, all of a sudden you can do this crazy thing and you're suddenly, you know, the center of attention and popular and all that you know. So we've set up a failing formula, that sanity has to return. We've got to start saying, no, you're not a cat, no, that's not allowed. No, we're not going to play that game. And the adults have to become the adults again.
Justin Humphrey
Well, and they've made it to where, if you speak out and speak truth, that you're hateful, that hate speech, and that they're coming after you on hate speech, Christian speech. You know, the most intolerant people you ever seen are them. And then they talk about your intolerance, you know, and your hate, and they're the most hateful, evil people. If you don't believe it, come read some of my emails where they'll talk about raping my children, raping my wife, raping me and all kinds of stuff and threatening to kill me and that's. And then they talk about tolerance. I'm like, well, boy, it's a. You know people who live in glass. So you know, pull, pull, that log got y'all's eye before you start pulling splitter out of mine, you know. And so, uh, that's what we're seeing. Is it reversed, like about where now we are the haters and we are. You know, you can speak about that. You're against lgbt. Uh, you know, I've got friends who are gay and I've got we can joke and I, I kid them, I don't let them up on it. I disagree with their lifestyle, but they know I love them, they know that I care for them and that we're friends, uh, but now I've had, uh, even family members. Hey, you're a hateful, you're against everything and you hate. Well, you know what? That's the farthest from the truth. I love you and I'll tell you the truth because I love you. And again, you know, we're raising our kids. I've raised my kids in church. I've raised all three of my kids in church and I've found that the youngest one is being more, um, what do you want to say? Uh, more indoctrinated, more. Uh, has has encountered more indoctrination. Maybe I'm trying to say it because you'll hear phrases in him with dad, we need to let people just choose for their self. Or you know, uh, yeah, that's a little strange, but that may be who they are. You know, and I'm like I will slap you right now, boy, you know it's like, hey, listen to yourself, don't get caught up in that. Yeah, uh, you know buying off in that, and that's what's uh happening is these kids are being indoctrinated, indoctrinated, indoctrinated, and they're buying into it a little bit at a time and really, I think a lot of society, I hear people well, they should be allowed to be who they are. Well, you shouldn't hate on them. Uh, they ought to be able to go into class. No, if they want to be a furry at the furry convention, go on. You know, if you want a furry in the street and furry at home in your backyard, great, that's your business.
But you know, when you're coming to school and you're disrupting school and again we have other uh, you know, uh behavioral things at school. We have dress codes at school, so why are we going to just throw out the whole rule book for these people? Yeah, and that's what. That's what they want. The rules don't apply to me now. The rules ought to apply to you, and you can't talk like this and you can't. But we can talk however we want. We can be as hateful as we want, and we've just got to start calling that out and we need to do it. I'm probably guilty of not doing it in the kindest way. You know what I'm saying. I can be a little rude and uncouth. Well, tell me, I'm a little uncouth, you know
Rick Green
I can relate, brother, I can relate and you know what there is there is a time to just you be. You have to be. You have to be harsh sometimes to get people's attention and make them realize just how crazy this is. But you're right. I mean, you speak the truth in love, but that's. We've gotten so caught up in the new definition of love. We think it's nice, right. We think we think it means not standing up and, like you said, hey, just let everybody be themselves. Well, my goodness, are we gonna? Are we gonna let the rapist be themselves? Are we gonna let that you know. Why do you stop your kid from running out in the street? You know, is it because you, you don't want to be tolerant? He's a street runner, you know? Oh well, my kid. Naturally, he likes the street, he's a street runner. Well, that ain't gonna last very long, you know what? I'm saying amen, that's right you got to kind of discipline him and say, hey, stay out of that street.
It's not because you hate him, uh, it's because you love
Rick Green
well, you're touching on a really important point, which is what's good for the community as well, what's good for society. And when you do say, through tolerance, we're going to allow people to do these crazy things and get into these mental ill, really you're normalizing mental illness. Is that actually good for that kid? Is that good for their neighbors look at what we see with drag queens coming into school, what you know? What's their intention? Why? Why would an adult want to dress sexually provocative? Uh, you know what I'm saying? That we want to see strippers that you want to see, uh, your wife dressed up in a lingerie go in and talk to kids. It's not appropriate for heterosexuals, it's not appropriate for homosexuals and it sure ain't appropriate for drag queens. Because, uh, them, some, some of the well, I gotta say there's some that are kind of spooky, that are actually good looking, but the ones we see up here at the Capitol all the time is some old guy that's got a green beard and a circus dress, boy there. I'm like look at yourself in the mirror. Golly, son, I'm ashamed of you. You ought to have sense and look in the mirror, you know. I'm like wow, you know, and that's how you want to go read to your kid that boy's got. You know they're mentally disturbed. I don't need any help getting any more mentally disturbed. I'm there myself, you know. I don't need no help, I'm doing a fine job. But we've got to call it out. We've got to tell these people look at yourself in the mirror. You know. I stood on the floor and said you know, I've had, as a probation prorol officer, people who come in and thought they were Superman. And I mean I literally asked. I didn't haul them up there on the third floor, throw them off the building and say fly, superman, that's right. See what you can do If somebody's anorexic, you don't say well, you really aren't fat, you know no you tell them the truth, you've got a mental health illness.
And when you think you're a different gender, guess what that's gender dysphoria. That's right, can't make. I didn't make those words up. It's go look it up, but they want to redefine crazy you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and they want to redefine the uh and get in trouble. I can call myself crazy, they all call me crazy. But if you call them, oh, that's a mental health illness. You shouldn't call people crazy. I'm like I thought that was crazy.
Rick Green
That's right. We're going to call this episode a dose of reality, JJ.
Justin Humphrey
Absolutely, it's so good man.
Rick Green
And we've got to do more of it. Listen, I'm out of time, brother, it's so good. Thank you for carrying the bill, thank you for for standing up and just bringing common sense back to the debate and to the public square, and and uh, let's get you back again soon, man, keep, uh, keep fighting hard for Oklahoma, brother,
Justin Humphrey
you bet man appreciate y'all have a good.
Rick Green
We don't have enough representatives like this guys. Why is it? The country folks still have common sense. Now, I say that as a country folk. I'm not as country as Justin, but it just seems like the hoity-toity folks you know. They make fun of us but they talk in circles and they never really say anything. Justin just hits the nail on the head. I loved it.
David Barton
He's a whole lot more concerned with what's right and what's true than what people think about him.
Rick Green
Yes.
David Barton
Man, when you get past the point where you don't let people's opinions shift what you think about things and you stand with that boldness and he's just speaking truth. I mean he's just, he's laying out the truth the way it needs to be heard and instead of soft foot and stuff and kind of patting these furries on the head like they are animals, he's just, he's just laying it out there. And I love common sense. You know, one of the things I learned from Dennis Prager was that common sense comes when you have a fear of God. If you lose a fear of God, you lose common sense. And that kind of goes back to the scriptures where the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. When you have a fear of God and you understand his rights and wrongs and you understand the standards he has made, the lines he has drawn, you have a whole lot more common sense. And if you doubt that, just look at progressives and look at how big a failure their programs are, from economics to social programs or anything else.
Common sense and I would say Justin has a lot of common sense-
Tim Barton
Well, guys, also, it's funny hearing him talk because I can imagine from a law enforcement perspective he probably knows how to speak in a very intelligent, intellectual, legal perspective. But I love when it comes down to it. It's like this isn't complicated, right, and I can be as crazy as needs to be crazy to deal with this nonsense and I love that. As you guys are already talking about, I love the fact that you have somebody who's saying the obvious part out loud. Right, it used to be the phrase that somebody says a quiet part out loud, and that's what happens with some of the liberals, where they have these secret strategies and plans and they wouldn't tell right, when sometimes educators would say, well, we don't think parents should have any part in education, that's saying the quiet part out loud. It's what they thought. They just haven't said that out loud. Well, it's really encouraging when people will say the obvious part out loud. When someone says this doesn't make any sense. But if you want to do that, let me show you where this road leads. Let me show you how this game is played, if that's how you identify, as he pointed out, like how brilliant when these boys were like identify the dog right and dogs chase cats and you can't tell me I'm wrong, like it's. It's so brilliant. But for somebody to be from law enforcement, to be in a state rep position, to say the obvious part out loud, where people want to pretend, like at times, like we, we had no idea, we never would have seen this and we can't imagine and or right the girl who was like I'm allergic to cats, I can't sit by this person, I have a cat allergy. It's brilliant. But for someone to have the courage again to say the obvious part out loud, that's so encouraging to me and this is something that, as we've seen in many examples, I think probably a lot of states will adopt some of this position and behavior to make sure that they can eliminate some of these problems from their own public schools.
Rick Green
I am so proud of a kid that could think you know I'm allergic to cats because I would say I'm allergic to stupid and that probably wouldn't go over as well. But I'm allergic to cats is perfect. What a great plan. All right folks out of time. Thanks for joining us today. You've been listening to the WallBuilder Show.
